Terry2905

8 hours ago, Henryford said:

If you had to go to the IO anyway why not just do the extension yourself. Last time took me all of 15 minutes.

Last time I did my extension myself 2 years ago, I had to join the queue which stretched all the way to the beach! It took 6 hours to get inside, standing in blazing sunshine and was then told to come back the next day! So, yes, I use an agent now!

12 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Your funny..

Read post just above yours from @Pattaya57 

That post is correct.

 

Suggest when you know nothing about immigration rules learn from some that do.

 

OK

 

I read that post. So even though a visa exempt is 30 days, it is actually 28 days from date of entry. He made that clear. But he added that day of arrival and departure would be 30 days 

 

Yes I agree that the seasoning is now only 2 months, but it used to be 3 months. I apologise for the slight information.

 

However, I still want to put the record straight. 

 

No, I didn't have the 800,000 baht in my bank account, which was why I used an agent. I had to spend the all my savings to pay for a heart operation last year. The local Thai insurance company refused to pay, because I neglected to declare that I had a hemorrhoid removed at pattaya city hospital in 2017. They have now cancelled my health insurance. 

 

"You are funny" is not a remark that I take lightly!

 

So? You are an expert for all immigration related things. 

 

Then why not just give me some advice instead of abuse!

 

I am not a newcomer to Thailand. I have been coming here for more than 25 years, but the rules change almost on a daily basis, and it is hard to keep up with. 

 

If I remember correctly, the seasoning of the 800,000 baht used to be 6 months, which then got reduced to 3 months, but now I see that it is only 2 months?

 

But we still have to go back after 3 months to immigration after an extension, to show that we still have 800,000 baht in the bank. 

 

It is total nonsense. 

 

And I am not the fool you seem to take me for.

 

This all started with my concern about renewal of my cancelled non o extension. 

 

I have a lot to lose if I was forced to leave Thailand, because of the stupid immigration system. 

 

I could move to the Philippines and get a 1 time visa for life. None of the nonsense of 90 day report. But Still with about 100,000 baht tied up in a bank account there. Cambodia is also very relaxed about visas. 1 application, with an annual renewal through any travel agents. No bank deposit needed. 

 

I am going to ignore any further comments from you, unless you will be civil enough not to call me a fool or ignorant.

 

I am seeking advice, but you seem to be hell bent on criticism!

 

 

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

No doubt that's what you believe you'll have. In reality you'll have a 30 day visa exempt stamp, followed by a 90 day non-imm O visa, followed by a 12 month extension stamp

 

I was actually only given a 28 day visa on entry stamp in my UK passport. Why only 28 days, I have no idea, but that was the visa that I was given, a visa on entry, and not visa exempt. 

 

Yes you are partially correct, but I was not given a visa exempt stamp. 

 

Yes I can then get a 90 day extension on application for a non o stamp, and then get a 1 year extension, based on retirement. 

 

Of course all based on the initial entry date.

 

So, to get an extension for permission to stay, you 1st have to apply for a 90 day extension from date of arrival. Then apply for a further 1 year extension based on retirement, giving the 1st "retirement visa", 15 months from arrival date. Then extend the original visa every year for 12 months. Of course with 800,000 baht locked away in a thai bank for the rest of your life. 

 

I wonder what actually happens to that 800,000 baht when you die?

 

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Stop posting rubbish.

There is NO such thing as 90 day extension.

There is also NO such thing as VOA for UK citizens.

There is a visa exempt entry that provides 30 day stamp.

In that period you can obtain a Non O visa which provides a 90 day stamp.

In the last 30 days you can obtain a 12 month extension.

It's NOT a visa.

Geez 

How I wish I had my passport in hand, to refute your misinformation. 

 

I was given a 28 day voa when I returned. NOT 30 days, so get your facts straight! That may have been because I arrived via Hong Kong, but the stamp in my passport was definitely a 28 day voa, and not visa exempt!

 

In your words, geez!

 

The system is very clear. Yes, arrive from the UK, get a visa exempt stamp for 30 days, then apply for a 90 day extension from the original date of entry, followed by a 1 year application for a non o visa based on retirement. 

 

You really need to swat up on your misleading information!

 

The immigration officer at Bangkok Airport was adamant that she could only give me a 28 day voa. If I had not acted quickly, I would have been charged with a 2 day overstay on my voa.

 

I am stating the facts. 

 

Yes I arrived on a British passport but I was not given a visa exempt stamp in my passport. 

 

In fact, according to the Thailand immigration website, a voa is only valid for 15 days!

 

I can't understand or explain why I was given a maximum 28 day voa, but that is what the immigration officer gave me. NOT 30 days visa exempt. 

 

Look, I am only sharing my known information. 

 

I arrived in Thailand, via Hong Kong, on a British passport, and was given a 28 day voa.

 

That can be extended for 90 days, from the date of arrival. NOT 90 days after expiry of the voa.

 

Of course "seasoning" of 800,000 baht in a thai bank account is needed before an application for a non o visa based on retirement can be applied for. 

 

You seem to be spreading misinformation. 

 

I am however telling the truth. 

 

I am talking rubbish. 

 

I am sharing this information, so that other people know the actual facts.

 

Yes, there is actually no such thing as a retirement visa. It is an extension, based on 90 days after your original arrival date. Hence  the 1st "extension for a non o "visa" is 15 months.

 

How many times have people have to say this to you before you understand!

 

If you read all the replies to my post, many replies have been the same.

 

90 day extension from date of entry, followed by a 1 year extension based on retirement. Giving an initial permission to stay for 15 months. 

 

I don't know where you are getting your wrong information from, but you are wrong in everything you say.

 

 

11 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I give up.

Have posted links to threads and also few detailed explanations.

 

There NO such thing as a Non O visa for 15 months.

There is a non O that provides 90 day stamp

From that you can obtain a 12month extension.

BTW It does not extend your non O visa.

Rather it extends your permission of stay.

Your non O is used. 

It's a single entry visa.

 

Read some of the threads I posted to understand the procedure. 

Otherwise stop poor information 

I know it is complicated. 

 

I am not giving poor information. I  am stating the facts. 

 

I had a non o visa based on retirement, but when I left Thailand and did not have a re entry stamp, my original non o visa was cancelled. 

 

My visa agent told me that my visa, and extension to stay was automatically cancelled when I left Thailand without a re entry stamp. 

 

So they have applied for a 90 day extension of the 28 day voa, followed by a 1 year extension.

 

I am not giving false information. 

 

Take a look at some of the other replies, who say the same thing. 

 

Entry visa, followed by a 90 day extension, followed by a 1 year non o stamp based on retirement, giving an initial 15 month stay, followed by yearly extension. 

 

I know a lot more than you think I know, and I know about the "border bounce" system, but that is not the same thing. 

 

I am not giving misinformation. 

 

I am sharing my experience of already having a non o extension of stay, which got cancelled when I left Thailand without a re entry stamp. 

 

I did not know if I could get a 2nd non o visa based on retirement. 

 

Anyway, the agent seems to have it all in hand, with the usual brown envelope!

 

I have not seen your threads, but the thai immigration system is very complex. 

 

Of course I know the procedure. 

 

Seasoning of at least 800,000 baht in a thai bank for at least 3 months (90 days), and then get a yearly extension, equalling 15 months after arrival. 

 

Yes the agent uses the brown envelope to bypass the system. 

 

In reality, you arrive on a voa, with a 90 day extension, followed by an application for a non o visa application based on retirement. 

 

The agents pay to "fix" the dates!

 

I have no doubt that when I get my passport back, it will show my entry voa date, with a 90 day extension, followed by a 1 year non o visa stamp, exactly the same way as I originally got my non o retirement visa. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Thanks for your interesting topic and I hope the visa extension works well for you. I am curious, not having been to UK so many many years, what is this city council accommodation you were hoping for - is this like a homeless peoples assistance?

 

I always thought one had to book in a hotel or bnb if one had no home to their name, but as you say you couldn't afford it?

 

Anyway best of luck.

Yes, I had expected to be given free boarding maybe in a cheap  b&b, and some money for essentials, as the many refugees get. 

 

The uk government is completely broken, when they turn their backs on uk citizens, who have paid NI contributions all their life, but give refugees a luxury lifestyle!

 

 

Just now, sandyf said:

When asking for advice you are not doing yourself any favours by constantly contradicting what has been said with incorrect statements 

"with a 15 month non o visa based on retirement."

It does not matter how you think the agent said it, you need to understand that there is no such thing as a 15 month Non O visa.

I beg to differ. 

 

My 1st non o visa was for 15 months, followed by yearly 1 year extensions.

 

I was actually still working abroad when I got my initial 15 month non o visa, but I got stuck in Thailand during covid and I couldn't get back to work. I lost my job because of that. 

 

So I used an agent, who got me a 15 month non o visa for retirement, even though I was actually still employed at that time!

 

Difficult to explain. 

 

I sought advice from an agent, because my employer was threatening me with unemployment. 

 

I did actually eventually get back to work, but the covid-19 situation became untenable, so I resigned. 

 

If you take a look at some of the other replies, a new non o visa based on retirement is for 15 months (90 day voa extension, with a further 1 year extension).

 

And that is what the visa agent that I use has told me today. 

 

You may be confused about applying for a non o visa in a Thailand embassy abroad, but it is slightly different when you apply for it when you in Thailand. 

 

I don't actually know, because I never applied for a non o visa from abroad. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Neither your NHS or NI number gets deleted. If a GP removes you from their practice your records are returned to the central registar and any new GP can get them from there. 

Yes. That was why the Manchester City hospital refused to help me, because my records showed that my previous address and gp was in Blackpool.

 

 

40 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

So at the end of the day it's exactly as I outlined. ???? 

You (the agent) applied for the 90 day Non-O visa from immigrations, and you will then get a year extension added on

That's the 3+12=15 that all the agents do down there.

What they don't do is all the stamps the same day anymore.. They spread them out the dates are more in line with actual timeline to do that process.

I meant no disrespect toward you, I was only trying to tell you what was going on because you didn't seem to know what was happening..

AND
I do know that some agents make you show up to immigrations two times.

Once to get your photo taken when you apply for the Non-O 90 day visa and then once again a few weeks later when they give you the year extension.

The up side is, when you DO finally get your passport back (which can take up to a month if you let them hold it the whole time) you will have 15 months valid stay in your passport.

AND

You might want to have them get you at least a single re-entry permit so that if you have to leave suddenly you can..

Congrats that you're getting sorted..

Thank you for your reply. 

 

Yes I may have to go twice to jomtien immigration, but the agent told me today that I only need to go to the bank again, and that I will get my passport back on Thursday, with a 15 month non o visa based on retirement. 

 

I just have to wait and see. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, bondjames007 said:

You can also request for a re-entry stamp from the agency, same time when applying for the extension,   you will get the re-entry & extension stamps stamped in your passport.  You will pay for the extension and the re-entry when applying for the extension.

 

That way if you have to leave Thailand for an emergency, during the period of your extension,  you don't need to worry about applying for a re-entry. 

I have learned my lesson. The hard and expensive way!

 

A multi entry stamp is really only necessary for people who do travel around the world, for whatever reason. 

 

But if there is a next time for me, I will remember to get a re entry stamp at the airport immigration office. 

Hi everyone. 

 

I fell ill and returned to the UK to try and get some help. 

 

I did have a non o retirement visa, but I totally forgot about getting a re entry stamp.

 

I was actually only in the UK for 3 days, because social services and the NHS refused to help me.

 

Upon my return, I was only given a 28 day voa. 

 

I immediately went to my visa agent, who told me that I need to apply again for a new non o retirement visa, so I paid them to do that.

 

Today they told me jomtien immigration have refused the non o retirement visa, and will only give me a 90 day extension. 

 

I don't really know or understand the next steps, so I am asking for advice. 

 

From what I understand, I  can get 2 more 90 day voa extensions, but what happens after that?

 

As I understand it, I would have to leave Thailand for 3 months, before returning on another voa?

 

And rinse and repeat for the rest of my life?

 

I will add that when I returned from the very short and expensive and frustrating and fruitless few days in the UK, I did not have the 800,000 baht in the bank. 

 

The visa agent did do the usual thing, deposited 800,000 baht and withdrew it the same day, which had worked in the past, but it seems that jomtien immigration have tightened up, and not allowing that visa agent bypass to work anymore. 

 

What I don't is if a visa bounce still works, for example, 3 extensions, followed by a 1 day border run, and rinse and repeat?

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, because the stress is almost too much for me to deal with in my current state of health. 

 

Thanks 

Hi everyone. 

 

I have taken my car for a general painting, minor blemishes. 

 

I took it to what appeared to be a very good agent, with 2 paint booths with ovens, but the painting was terrible, with very bad orange peel.

 

I refused to accept the car in that state. 

 

They have told me that they will fix the problem, but I very much doubt that it will be fixed.

 

I used to be an ex bodywork specialist, so I know what to expect. 

 

So my question is what recourse action I can take?

 

My options seem to be to refuse to pay, or call the police 1155.

 

Any opinions grateful. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

Those morals are going away quick if you find yourself homeless though. People do whatever they need to to survive on the streets. Your choice may be choosing the lesser of two evils. There are gray areas, not all black and white.

What choice do I have?

 

The sinclair method will not help me.

 

Lesser of 2 evils?

 

I either lie to the AA, even if they could help me with my alcoholism or I end up living in the streets in the UK. 

 

I can't lie. 

 

Suicide is always an option. The psychiatrist always prescribe more than enough valium to do that. 

 

But I have tried that in the past, ans said my goodbye to my very few friends, and I did actually die in the ambulance once, but they revived me.

 

Yes it tought me a lesson. 

 

But I have also learnt that the uk health system will not not help me.

 

I am honestly at a complete loss what to do. 

 

 

7 hours ago, Denim said:

A whole lot easier said than done. Being an alcoholic is not the same thing at all as being a heavy drinker, it is a physical addiction very difficult break.

Thank you for posting your reply. An awful lot of people do not understand that is an illness and very difficult to break to break the addiction. 

 

From personal experience with my psychiatrist in Bangkok hospital, alcoholism is just a part of normal life in Thailand, and there is zero support. 

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, JimTripper said:

Simp

Being agnostic, and pretending would be a sin. Enough said. 

Just now, Terry2905 said:

It is a sin to do something that you don't believe in. 

I believe in total honesty, and that has been my downfall all my life. 

 

I am too honest. 

3 minutes ago, jesimps said:

Can't you just go through the motions of praying? Being agnostic, it's not as though you'd believe you were commiting a sin by doing so.

It is a sin to do something that you don't believe in. 

Just now, Terry2905 said:

4 hours ago, Shannoblic said:

Terry - I hope you get to read this even though you said in your post you would not be posting anymore.

 

Please do NOT do anything stupid or on impulse.  There are actually many ways you can get help both here in Thailand and back in the UK.  I offered you help if you PM'd me but you didn't and I need just two pieces of information to start the helping process - 1) your location in Thailand [just town or city not actual address] and 2) some contact detail where you can be reached.

 

If you are serious about getting help you need to contact me - I have connections where help is available.  I can do nothing without the two pieces of information above and a PM keeps it out of the public eye.

 

Once again - please do not do anything rash without letting me try to help.

 

 

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I don't know how to pm you. 

4 hours ago, Shannoblic said:

Terry - I hope you get to read this even though you said in your post you would not be posting anymore.

 

Please do NOT do anything stupid or on impulse.  There are actually many ways you can get help both here in Thailand and back in the UK.  I offered you help if you PM'd me but you didn't and I need just two pieces of information to start the helping process - 1) your location in Thailand [just town or city not actual address] and 2) some contact detail where you can be reached.

 

If you are serious about getting help you need to contact me - I have connections where help is available.  I can do nothing without the two pieces of information above and a PM keeps it out of the public eye.

 

Once again - please do not do anything rash without letting me try to help.

 

 

10 hours ago, sapson said:

Was that intended as helpful advice?

 

It still gets down to 12c at night in the Uk in summer and at age 60+ with health issues sleeping rough on a park bench when you are used to 30c+ temps in Thailand for many years is a totally ludicrous suggestion.

 

I am in very similar circumstances to the OP and on the fence about a Uk return with health age financial issues likely to force my hand.....its not an amusing or jovial situation.

 

Have a good day!

Hi

 

I am sorry to hear that you are also in a similar situation. 

 

It does not look good!

 

I received a reply today from the CAB, and I have basically been told that I will only be entitled to £56 a week, and advised that the council would not be able to offer me any accommodation, because even the shelter accommodation is full. They advised me to find covered shelter outside, preferably among a group of other homeless people. 

 

The only good news is that a local gp is obliged to prescribe any necessary medication, free of charge. 

 

Of course, I will also be entitled to free medical emergency healthcare. 

 

I am certainly not looking forward to my impending doom!

 

65 years old and sleeping rough in the streets in the UK does not appeal to me!

 

I guess my life is almost over?

 

And all because of Pacific Prime health insurance not paying for my heart operation, for the same reason as I read from another person on here, and that was accidentally not ticking 1 box on the questionnaire about an undiagnosed mental health issue. 

 

My heart condition was obviously not related to a mental health issue.

 

Anyway. 

 

I am passing on this information, quoting the direct reply from the CAB, and using their online calculator to assess my entitlement. 

 

£50 a week is not a lot to live on in the UK!

 

My options?

 

Basically none. 

 

I live on the ground floor of the condo I stay in, so throwing myself off the balcony is not an option. 

 

Yes, it has come to that, seriously considering suicide. 

 

I will not be posting anymore. 

 

Goodbye my friends. 

 

 

9 hours ago, JayClay said:

On what grounds did they refuse? Have you tried posting on this site's "I drink too much" sub-forum for advice?

AA refused to help me after I told them that I was agnostic. They said that the AA was mostly prayer, which I am not willing to do. So it actually wasn't a refusal for help, but rather only telling me that they couldn't help me because of my faith. 

 

I am on the "drink problem " healthunlocked forum.