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1 hour ago, vinny41 said:
You can opt for the 1000Mbs download 100Mbs upload service for 590 baht per month
or you can opt for just the Giga TV service using your existing internet service for 100 baht per month 3bb will supply you with an Android Box you will get HBO GO / MONOMAX / OKE ( I have no idea what Oke is
https://ro5.3bb.co.th/00371/gigaTV.php
Yes Disney has grown since the days of Walt Disney a number of takeovers over the years
No I don't use Netflix I was always concerned about Picture quality in the early days and
The amount of content on HBO GO monomax and Disney Plus/hotstar impossible to watch all the content even if you did 24/7 365 days of the year
If you dig down on the monomax content i think they have 20 or so of the James Bond movies in English
I like the sound of that Giga TV service, Vinny. I think maybe that was the package they told my wife would take a month to get round to installing. My wife didn't explain that package to me very clearly. I reckon I can wait a month! (By the way....my Thai wife's English is great, she's very intelligent....but she's not very thorough about finding out info, which is why I seek advice on here!)
Yeah , I'm old enough to have the original sweet & innocent Disney image well-ingrained! But it now appears much different, as you suggest. ????Thanks!
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51 minutes ago, vinny41 said:
Tips if you go looking for TV's
Never let salesperson know your budget, if you do they automatically know which 4 models they are going to show you and they know how much commission they will receive on each one.
Ideally ditch the minder/salesperson ( I hate it when people follow me around) if you see a model that you like just make a note of brand model number and price and lenght of warranty.
Go Home do your research on your selected models, check prices online also check warranty periods as some sellers import models in from China which might only come with 1 year warranty where the Thai version comes with 3 year warranty.
Ideally you want 3 years onsite if possible always keep the box has you might need to send back to service centre if onsite warranty not available.
Unless you go to a particular shop such as a sony store, LG store or Samsung store its a waste of time asking the salesperson what is the difference between Brand a and Brand B most of the time they wouldn't know
You need to show the salesperson that you have more knowledge about a TV model than them otherwise they will steer you in the direction of which TV is offering the most comission.
As a Rule I always walk away from any TV that doesn't come with a 3 year warranty 12 months warranty on TV is a joke
Also take a tape measure with you I always measure the stand as I have a table that is 120cm wide so if the TV stand is wider than 120 cm not an option for me unless I replace the table
my current tv is 152cm wide but its fine as the stand just requires a 120cm alternatively some stands where they point south east(right) and south west(left) the stands can be reversed to that they point inwardly rather than outwardly and then a larger table is not required you can get away with a smaller table.
Just had a wry chuckle at your advice not to let salespeople know your budget.....as I did just that an hour ago!!! ???? But, in my defence, it was guy I became friendly with when he worked in a hardware store locally prior to recently landing this new job at homepro, so I let it slip what my budget was! But your advice on that is good advice.
Yes, I did as advise and took details of models in order to google for reviews etc, BUT......I didn't ask about the warranties. It's a biggy and you are absolutely right to recommend checking that from the start. I will ask about that - thanks for the prompt.
Will also remember my tape measure next time! Not keen on wall mounting so as you say, needs to fit the furniture I've got.
Now I will say something here that may interest you and all the other kind folk who've posted advice (or make them shake their heads in contemptuous despair!) : I obviously haven't been paying attention!!! I had been weighing up merits of OLED, etc, thinking to choose OLED maybe......well just been to homepro and it took only seconds to realize I had been much mistaken in thinking them affordable. Well for me they're not...bigtime!! So now it's narrowed down to the best non-OLEDs out there! Ho-hum.
But thanks, Vinny.
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1 hour ago, vinny41 said:
package I use is 3bb gigatainment 1 gbps / 500 download speed 1000 Mbps upload speed 500 Mbps monthly payment 790 baht including HBO GO Monomaxx and 49 baht per month for disney plus/hotstar
My tv is a sony 2018 model came with Android 7 but Sony have provided Android updates to version 9
HBO GO, Monomaxx and disney plus/hotstar all run from the TV menu screen
You can see what is available content wise on HBO GO here
and monomax from here
Disney Plus/hotstar here
That's quite a package you got there. Is it possible to have a package with say, 2 out the 3 services you mention? Money's a bit tight these days and reducing that 790 pm you pay to around 500 or less for me would be preferred. Talking of preferences, did you choose the 3 services you mention (and by the way, thanks for the links - mighty interesting.) in preference to Netflix? Or do you also have Netflix? I'm asking not because I'm a nosy son of a gun, it's just I don't know much about what people in general go for, or even what's available. So there's more to life than Netflix! (I have used Netflix by the way and liked it.....but am open to other options.)
Re Disney.....looking at the link you sent, it looks to be more than what I imagined a Disney channel might be, as in more than Bambi and Jungle Book kind of stuff! ????????
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1 hour ago, LosLobo said:
LG OLED TV Technology for Image Retention Prevention and Recovery.
Thanks, Loslobo. Helpful. ????
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1 hour ago, vinny41 said:
out of interest do you use 3BB as your internet provider as they do offer some good add-on Movie packages at a reasonable cost such as Monomaxx ( Mainly Thai language series and Movies) although some in English and HBO GO mix of Thai language and english language movies and series and they recently added disney plus/hotstar which does have 4k content
Yes, we use 3bb. The add-on packages you describe certainly sound interesting. I think my wife did ask them about 'some' kind of similar-sounding package, but they said it would take a month to get round to installing. It may not have been the package you're referring to. Perhaps something completely different. So I'll investigate that further.
Cheers Vinny. ????
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10 minutes ago, LosLobo said:
Interestingly enough OLED TV's have "Logo Luminescence Adjustment" which detects and reduces the brightness of TV channel logos and therefore burn-in.
I was hoping they might have something like that. ????
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11 minutes ago, vinny41 said:
It will be interesting if you wife can tell the difference between an oled TV versus a non oled tv some people can't.
Formost people if there are imperfections on the TV screen their eyes always focus on the imperfections and it can causes distractions from actually watching the TV content.
Some TV's that have a wider viewing angle such as the LG 55NANO80TPA.ATM result in poor contrast
Black looks grey not inky black white is not a pure white more a off white
Its like your sitting on a train and opposite you is sitting a young version of brigitte bardot naked and on her face there is a huge mole and its pussing and it looks like its about to exploded. You turn away but a few minutes later your eyes will switched back to the mole
Glad you mentioned the LG 55nano80tpa as it was one I was considering.
Doubt my wife could really discern subtler differences in picture quality, especially if shr's watching Thai mainstream TV channels.
I will discuss the Brigette Bardot analogy with the salespeople and see what they have to say. Could be interesting. ????
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On 10/24/2021 at 1:32 PM, LosLobo said:
OLED has had a bit of a bad press for burn-in . Modern OLED's have built in technology to deal with the problem.
"Burn-in is possible with OLED, but not likely with normal use.
Most "burn-in" is actually image retention, which goes away after a few minutes.
You'll almost certainly see image retention long before it becomes permanent burn-in.Generally speaking, burn-in is something to be aware of, but not worry about."
OLED screen burn-in: How to prevent it (and why you shouldn't be worried) - CNET
If normal TV use is to only watch live TV in a bright sunlit room maybe OLED is not for you.
I have had an OLED now for over 2 years and all I can say is "WOW". What was I doing before OLED?
Cheers, Loslobo.....really useful. Appreciate this! Thanks.????
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On 10/24/2021 at 1:32 PM, LosLobo said:
OLED has had a bit of a bad press for burn-in . Modern OLED's have built in technology to deal with the problem.
"Burn-in is possible with OLED, but not likely with normal use.
Most "burn-in" is actually image retention, which goes away after a few minutes.
You'll almost certainly see image retention long before it becomes permanent burn-in.Generally speaking, burn-in is something to be aware of, but not worry about."
OLED screen burn-in: How to prevent it (and why you shouldn't be worried) - CNET
If normal TV use is to only watch live TV in a bright sunlit room maybe OLED is not for you.
I have had an OLED now for over 2 years and all I can say is "WOW". What was I doing before OLED?
Loslobo.....sorry for slow response. Your post is really helpful and am learning a lot from the link re burn-in. Thanks! ????????
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15 hours ago, vinny41 said:
If your wife has decided on LG I suggest you think about increasing your budget by 3,000 and reducing screen size to 48" then you have a choice of 3 LG OLED
C1 is 2021 model
A1 is 2021 model
CX is 2020 model
https://www.lg.com/th/compare?bizType=B2C
a1 is 28,990 from LG offical store here
all lg oled prices here
US reviews here you see all OLED score green in all area's
I'm getting a lot out of reading the links you kindly provided Vinny.......although, for someone like me (!), it can actually add to the confusion a bit! But I'm trying to filter it all down to key points.
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7 minutes ago, johng said:
As I pointed out earlier in this thread a OLED might not be the best choice if the contents displayed in the TV has long term static areas like TV channel logos which most Thai TV stations have.
Big C apparently have a special on at the moment LG 55 inch for about 17,000 baht.
10 minutes ago, johng said:As I pointed out earlier in this thread a OLED might not be the best choice if the contents displayed in the TV has long term static areas like TV channel logos which most Thai TV stations have.
Big C apparently have a special on at the moment LG 55 inch for about 17,000 baht.
Thanks Johng, will check out our local Big C today. ????
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16 hours ago, Bruno123 said:
To be fair, that is the 2020 version. Not that one would expect the newer version to be much different.
It's just a bulk standard Edge Lit Quantum Dot/NanoCell screen. Edge lit is the cheapest screen type.
So they attach a cheap screen and then build the rest to a price; blinding their potential customers with 'science' to convince them.
Full Array Local Dimming Pro is not a nice thing to claim if the screen does not have a full array of LEDs.
But they claim it on the top of the range 86 model. Unpleasant.
Yes, after some youtubing research, I think you make an important point here.
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4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:
Here is a review of the USA 55NANO80TPA not good and the review stats
Value for price beaten by : Hisense U6G which is the entry level for hisense
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/nano80-2020
But if that is the model your wife wants good luck
Vinny, this is the stuff I wanna know, so thanks...will check out link now.
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6 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:
https://www.lg.com/my/nanocell-tvs
You can compare the two there. Choose Add To Compare and once you have added them both, choose Compare.
I really don't like their scam of claiming Full Array Dimming when it doesn't have a Full Array in the first place
Thanks Bruno. Will check 8t out now.
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2 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:
Even worse. At least you can get the 86 for less or at least around the same online.
So if you will be forced to get the LG, at least you can buy top of the range and impress the wife further ????
So difference in prices online vs in the shops is that great? I don't doubt you, Bruno. Just no experience buying online personally. Wow!
By the way....'impress the wife'? Nah....haven't done that for years! No, just to keep the lovely old thing off my back and to not be a potential target of criticism if the TV has probs. But yes, I understand if some people think this thread was a waste of time, I really do. But my initial query and intent was genuine. And it's been really useful.
And.....if anyone still has valid things to say about the LG that might yet make me change my mind, would love to hear it. ????????
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1 minute ago, Bruno123 said:
You keep posting; but you are not reading.
That sounds as if he tried to convince her, doesn't it?
I can guarantee that he knew that she wanted an LG in the first place and he came to advice before splashing out.
So please....read, rather than just imagining. He started the thread because he didn't want to buy by brand, as his good wife suggested.
But since he didn't post the actual TV in mind; we couldn't help him best we could.
Instead he tried to do a crash course on all of the terminology.
With a specific TV for comparison; we could have lined up the pros and cons more easily for him to digest.
Have mercy, gents! ???? T'is an LG 55NANO80TPA.ATM model, 25,900 baht.
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Just now, Toolong said:
Fact is, no, my wife never actually verbalised that she specifically wanted a LG, but we have an LG in another place, that she's happy with. And that's her (understandable) mentally, more than it mine.
I have been most genuinely willing to research and try and persuade her of the merits of equally good less expensive, and perhaps even more appropiate (to her needs) brands & models. But.....I admit to a fear of opting for something other than LG that would, should anything about it dissatisfy her, be a cross to bear!! Sure, I know that sounds pathetic! ????????
But Bruno, right now I love your suggestion that I post the LG model number etc. Will do.
After comments about 'burning', which I wasn't before aware of, I'm concerned the it might be an issue with some TVs, even pricier ones, as she does watch a lot of Thai tv...with all the logos and ribbons running across the bottom of the screen etc. How to avoid or limit that burn?
So anyway I'll post the model number if I can find the pic i took the shop. If I can't...recall it was 2021 model LG 55inch 4k nanocell priced at around 26000 baht.
Sorry...'mentality'!
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33 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:
His wife obviously stated that before he initiated the thread.
That's what I meant; if he already knew what she wanted; he could have posted the LG model number and then he would have been much better placed to convince her with specific points; rather than generalities.
Knowing the model number enabled me to show him issues with their 'Local Dimming'. That is something he could have shown to her.
Fact is, no, my wife never actually verbalised that she specifically wanted a LG, but we have an LG in another place, that she's happy with. And that's her (understandable) mentally, more than it mine.
I have been most genuinely willing to research and try and persuade her of the merits of equally good less expensive, and perhaps even more appropiate (to her needs) brands & models. But.....I admit to a fear of opting for something other than LG that would, should anything about it dissatisfy her, be a cross to bear!! Sure, I know that sounds pathetic! ????????
But Bruno, right now I love your suggestion that I post the LG model number etc. Will do.
After comments about 'burning', which I wasn't before aware of, I'm concerned the it might be an issue with some TVs, even pricier ones, as she does watch a lot of Thai tv...with all the logos and ribbons running across the bottom of the screen etc. How to avoid or limit that burn?
So anyway I'll post the model number if I can find the pic i took the shop. If I can't...recall it was 2021 model LG 55inch 4k nanocell priced at around 26000 baht.
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2 hours ago, Bruno123 said:
Yes, that sort of thing, but Thai oriented for Thai speaking media.
If you are open to getting a separate Android Box or similar for the TV at some point; then the HiSense TV might not be a bad choice. The picture quality should be good; though cannot speak for their after sales service nor reliability. Though LCDTVTHAILAND look to be a decent retailer.
I've already posted a link describing HiSense's VIDAA U pros and cons.
Am also concerned the LCDTVTHAILAND has just one left at such a good price. Make sure that it is not a display model.
To be honest, Bruno (and all who've kindly offered useful info), I have just had a chat with my wife an hour ago about the good sense of considering TVs that are (often much) less expensive than the big brand ones we've looked at, yet meet our needs just as sufficiently, etc. (Based on the advice from this site.)
Although politely listening & hearing me out I quickly sensed, from the subtlest of expressions on her face, what I'd predicted: that it would pay me in the long run, in all sorts of ways, to just go with what she originally fancied in the shop, an LG model at around 25000 baht. So that'll likely be the outcome, for better or worse! ????
Oh, the rich pageant of it all!
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On 10/29/2021 at 10:57 PM, Bruno123 said:
It's the same TV that I mentioned earlier: https://www.dignited.com/74255/vidaa-os-hisense-smart-tv-platform/
No clear choice without being able to view the quality of the TVs with your own eyes.
On paper, the OP may need to decide on which to give priority. Maybe read a bit more about the TV operating systems involved and decide whether that is something about which his wife would be interested.
Does she use applications on Android for videos, music and entertainment?
If no interest in that side of things; then the HiSense might make sense. In that case I would also compare it closely with the U8G
Will have a read up on TV operating systems (hopefully I'll be able to understand at least SOME of what it says!)
As for wife using apps on Android.....you mean like youtube? Netflix? Facebook?
(Thicko alert!.....Bruno....and others......I am unusually ignorant about what to most people is basic tech terminology!)
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On 10/30/2021 at 2:32 AM, Bruno123 said:
https://browserhow.com/best-browsers-androidtv-os/
Might be of interest to those who use a Browser on their Smart TV.
Definitely of interest, Bruno! Cheers ????
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On 10/29/2021 at 2:39 AM, vinny41 said:
Toolong
Here one you might want to look at
HISENSE 65U7G 4K LED TV 65 INCH DOLBY VISION / ATMOS U7G SERIES 3 YEAR THAI CENTER WARRANTY 21,900 baht
https://www.lcdtvthailandshop.com/catagories/tv/hisense-tv/65u7g.html
Hey Vinny...
Sorry for late reply. That definitely sounds worth a look-see. Will check it out. Good specs and reasonable price.
Appreciate you sending the link. Thanks ????
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On 10/27/2021 at 10:23 AM, vinny41 said:
Toolong Yes it is a minefield, If I was you I wouldn't get 2 hung up on the different terms
Start with working out
Min/Max Budget ( ideally 10K difference between min and max)
then decide min/max size (more often or not size is restricted to TV location or your wife may decide she doesn't want a certain size as it would dominated the room.
Then make a shortlist of TV's I would have 2 lists Chinese brands and well known brands
Oled Tv's prices start at around 35K for 48" going up to 100K plus
Full Array Local Dimming is not normally on lower end tv's prices start from 25K upwards
You Wife is partially correct in the view that a more expensive item must be better than a cheaper item
In that the more expensive item will have more options and better materals in the build
Local Dimming on TVs
Direct-Lit, Full-Array, and Edge-Lit
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/local-dimming
QLED vs OLED vs LED TVs
Which one is the best?
Thanks Vinny.
Very interesting. You mentioned OLEDs starting at around 35k and that is very helpful to know as I can at least rule them out!! I'm looking at 25/26000 baht max, possibly much much cheaper.
So the link you kindly provided about QLED/OLED/LED etc, was also helpful as it explains some alternative terms that different brands may use but actually mean the same thing! ???? it's that kind of stuff that gets me so confused.....so I thank you for that useful link, as well as the other sound advice you kindly offer.
Much appreciated. ????
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23 hours ago, Bruno123 said:
Another one worth a look; according to it's spec, price point and general recommendations here is this; https://www.jd.co.th/product/_26683568.html
Here is a very detailed review of the smaller screen version: https://www-lcdtvthailand-com.translate.goog/review/review_tcl50c725-4k-qledtv/
Compromise looks to me to be the screen quality, with Global Dimming as opposed to Local Dimming. But the HiSense doesn't have Full Array Local Dimming either; plus you'll be stuck with their limited OS. It's a minefield out there ????
'Minefield' is right, I reckon! ????
Thanks for links, Bruno. Trouble though for me, is that I can't easily assess the merits of these TVs when I can't even understand what the terms mean! 'Qled'....'Oled'.....' ????.....and 'Global Dimming' (Greta Thunberg hasn't mentioned that!)....wow!
But I'm gettin' there......thanks to kind advice from people like yourself, thanks!????
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Smart advice for non-smart duffer re smart TVs
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Vinny, my head is spinning at that price difference between online & instore. That is incredible.
I am so grateful to you for finding this out and explaining it to me. ????
It's quite an education for me. I understand & respect your views on that and your bias towards online buying.
Thanks for explaining the online warranty registration. Good to know!
Your query about what I thought of OLED and non-OLED pic quality. If you mean as I looked at the two types in homepro......to be honest, Vinny, I looked at the prices of the cheapest OLEDs (well..... their prices!) and my attention towards quality differences suddenly felt pointless! So I turned back to the Nanocell range without investigating further! Howevet if an OLED via online purchase is doable at the price you mentioned, then I definitely will be keen to go back and suss out those differences and look for 'inky blacks' ! ????????