specialk

hawianeyes,

i have followed your story and its an absolute shocker.

dont you think its time to put this story to bed and try and get on with your life.?

continually raising this story is only inhibiting your prospect of letting it go and getting on with the positive things in one's life.

this guy is now history and when do you feel you will let it go.?

im not being disrespectful but in sure you understand my question.

with respect,

terry

to terry57, I must speak out at your total lack of feelings for another human being out there in the world that has gone through a horrific experience with Mr. Dubie. If you weren't there or one of his victims, you have no way of knowing just when one should, "put it to rest"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all heal in different ways and times. There is healing in finally being able to voice some of our experiences with Dubie. There is no way that it can all come out at once and sharing with others on this forum is good. Because of this forum I became aware of Hawaiianeyes and it has been real good to share our story together. I KNOW her pain because I too was one of his pawns. I really haven't had anyone to share my pain with because most just don't know how to comprehend. My family just thought everything should just be fine now that I was away from him and no one would help me. I just started to keep it all to myself and I'm seeing how bad that is. It's like by not letting this toxic poison out of our souls, it increasingly does more damage. So, please, all of you know it alls, that think we should all just move on and that it's a big soap opera, need to get a heart.

Happy New Year all, and Happy Healing. Kari

I know his Thai wife and have seen the amazing riches that he left behind. At first I knew nothing about him, but as soon as I saw his stuff, I knew it wasn't earned honestly.

Thanks for an interesting story.

so who picked up the riches mr G. and did the canadian daughter get something as well.?

only a question that's all .

the dude was supposed to be worth heaps and i'm curious were the money ended up. ?

anybody know ?

From what I've been told, his family is dividing everything with the Thai wife and his children, but he has ornate palaces, cars and "stuff" scattered all over the planet - much of it in other people's names.

He has 3 mansions in Chiang Mai alone stuffed with expensive things.

"what profit it a man if he gain the whole world yet lose his soul?"

Yes he had "heaps" of everything--cars, homes, Budda images (more that 1000), wives, mistresses, girlfriends, children.

Still he was the most empty and sad person I have ever known. He was great at illusion and seduction of others by both the reality of his wealth and the illusion of ali baba's infinite riches and power. He reveled in mysticism of every flavor and especially seemed to draw strength from possessing the "pure of heart". He hid behind these gentle people like a human shield. I have no doubt that Pim is such a kind and gentle soul. I do not know that she was ever married to him. I do know that his estate is in probate in hawaii and there is no shortage of stuff, properties, accounts to go around. Yet I see some of those involved already engaging in ugly greed and power plays about the paternity of the children.

He was both generous and kind to me as well as monsterous and cruel. I saw that type of behaviour to others closest to him.

He seemed to be most pleased by out smarting others. He bragged to me about financial tricks on Geri and moving large sums of her money around. He lied and stole almost compulsively. So while I pretty much 99% believe this murder story, there is a part of me that would not be surprised if he brought the gun taunted Jeana and set her up to "kill" him so that he could be injured taken to the hospital and pay off hospital staff and have her face death penalty for the "murder". I think that Jeana after 20 + years of loyal service and unflinching loyalty and love had become a liablility to him and that he wanted a fresh start with Pim etc. Official Thai notice of his death would be enough to start the Hawaii probate clock which has happened. The executor of his estate is Felicia. Both Felicia and Pim would certainly do what ever he asked. If he is truly dead then I have genuine symphathy for Felicia and Pim but I saw him do so many tricks and take such great joy in his ability to mastermind the most bizare things that this would not surprise me.

All of us who knew him, wonder about if he's alive or not. I wouldn't be surprized, as he had many to hide from. One thing I do think I know is, is that he wouldn't be working in a rice field. He's too paranoid of dirt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My complements on espressing a clear opinion Fruttbat. That wasn't so hard was it? As you see when we are clear about how we feel about something than other people can agree or disagree based on our expressed opinion.

Lovedablues does have a good point, you have to admit. I think he put it quite well.

If I were decideing this case I would have problems with the fact that she stayed in this bizzare relationship for as long as she did thus exposing herself to the level of anger necessary to actually take somebodys life. She must have been practicing shooting a gun because I don't think I could pull off two shots to the chest at the distance noted (one in the arm)

So I give you that she was one pissed off cowboy and maybe manslaugther is the more appropriate charge, but why should she get to go back to Canada? What is your logic with that?

There's also the issue of whats best for the children and I think this woman kept having babies with this guy in order to keep the disfuctional relation going which makes her very selfish. She further caused damage to the children by keeping them exposed to him. If it is true that he abused the children as well as her I have a real problem with why she chose to do that. As I said before she has at the least been a bad example for her children and as such should be kept away from them. hel_l, I know far to many people that are kept from seeing there children for a lot less.

I wouldn't know how to handle a gun without practice/training. Margaret /Jeana had lived in the US so chances are she may have owned a gun and known how to use it. The fact that she shot and killed Dubie does not -by itself-imply pre-meditation, although it does suggest remarkably quick reflexes in an emotionally loaded situation.

i have never advocated Jeana/Margaret's extradition to Canada - must have been another poster...I think SpecialK. There is some support in Canada to seek extradition since many there feel it is her best hope for a fair trial.

Your judgment about why Jeana/Margaret had six children by Dubie are premised on an expectation that they lived together in a conventional partnership, with conventional roles of male breadwinner and dependent wife who wanted to keep the man with her by popping babies out. From what i understand, she lived independently for much of the time. I have a friend with five kids, most by different fathers. She is a highly successful practising barrister who doesn't give a shit about convention. She is able to give her kids heaps of attention and love and they are quite relaxed and happy with a variety of adults, men and women.

The difference between this woman and Margaret/Jeana is that she would never tolerate abuse to herself or her kids and no one would ever try it on with her. I suspect that Jeana/Margaret may have had a long history of abuse starting from childhood or from her early relationship with Dubie. Why didn't she snap out of it when her kids were evidently being abused, too? I don't know. It is incomprehensible to me ...I can only think that like women described in Sarada's story of her years with Dubie, Jeana may have been persuaded that she was "wrong" and he was acting in the best interest of all concerned...all very twisted and sickening. Maybe those with more direct experience can give a better explanation of what makes anyone tolerate this stuff...

I would like to comment on suspecting that Jeana/Maggie may have had years of abuse herself....I would be very surprized at this. I have not met Maggie's parents, but have spoken to her mother enough times to know that this is out of the question. When my daughter, Calista was abducted from me and kept in hiding, I of course got a hold of everyone I could and went everywhere I could to search for her. I, at this time, got ahold of Maggies parents in Canada and her mother was so very kind and concerned for me. She was at a loss as to why, her daughter, could stay with this horrible GPD and promised to help me. This mother right now must be so very overwhelmed by all of this. She had already raised Maggies first child and I want to tell you, she did a magnificent job and I know she has done all a parent can do to try and rid GPD from her childs life, but even she couldn't keep them apart. Maggie was so brainwashed by Dubie, she could never escape him.

I'm wondering why you are defending this victim mentality. On the one hand you agree that all of her abuse does not justify murder but then you go on to make the argument that men have all the power like maybe your not sure.

A month or so ago here in Pattaya a man brutally murdered a thai woman because after he spent a fortune on her she betrayed him. I'm assuming that you would agree that he should fry regardless of his background and his life experences. So do I. I'm not going to say that the fact that she probably manipulated him and lied to him has anything to do with it. I'm not going to suggest that because of a evolutanary predisposition that men have to seek out sexual partners he was blinded and victim of his own biological needs and that made him vunrable to her lies. Perhaps we should blame the thai government for creating this wonderland for men and failing to properly warn them of the pitfalls. Gimmie a break.

I've read the same threads about thai/farang relationships that you have and what I'm hearing is men saying that while economics play a role (as they do everywhere in the world) the basis for the relationships that work are mutual respect, communication, honesty, and shared goals.

I'm hurt that you would suggest that my TGF is not with me for my good looks, wit and charm. (I think I need another hug) Perhaps you have seen that recent surveys of women place intelligence, humor, charm and honesty as most important in relationships. I believe that to be true here and in the west. I would add experence to that list. Do you think it make sense for a young person to seek out a mentor? You may have noticed that obtaining a mentor is all the rage in the west now and most of the successful people I know have at least one.

I would also submit that the economic disparity that exists here has more to do with culture than gender. You may be aware that there is a significant gay population here and the same kinds of relationship problems occur. For that matter they occur the same way in the west.

I love that label "sex tourist" but it seems to me that since I have always wanted sex it dosen't quite describe me. For example, the first sex I had was with myself so I would be better described during that period as a "sex monoest" Seems like since I was always thinking about sex (but not getting much) I might be better described as a "sex fantasist" I was alway on the look out for sex in my home country so was I a "sex resident" All of the women I've known enjoyed great sex too, but they were conflicted about it so maybe they are "sex ambivalist" Since many women use sex as a weapon against men to get there emotional needs met, perhaps they should be "sex terrorest" Fun with labels.

I know some very successful women back in the states and I think you would be hard pressed to convince them that gender issues were holding them back. Actually I think they would be offended by your argument. Frankly, I will never be convinced that compitition between men and women can ever hold a candle to the compitition between men and men.

I think that the reason that men get along better with thai women is because the gender "roles" are more clearly defined. I was involved in the fad for men to get in touch with there "feminine side" great experence, but what I discovered was I don't have one. What I do have is a need for intimacy, connection with others, acceptance, and validation. Most of those needs are met internally and the ones that get met by others are best met by other men who have a clue. I think this makes me completly available to share a balanced life with women.

So, back to the issue. Am I to assume that since you say "nothing excuses killing" that you now agree that she should fry? Maybe you think that she should be comforted and allowed to return to being a bad example for her children? Maybe you're ambivalent.

It is frustrating to have a discussion about a topic and after reading so many flowery words not knowing where a person stands on an issue. I think that there are far too many people who hide behind a PC facade in order to avoid the pain of making a clear decision.

When you add to the mix the underlying love/hate that men and women have towards each other than it dosen't take much of a spark to set off a huge blaze.

I apologize for any lack of clarity on my part.

For the record, my opinion in our virtual courtroom of virtual jurors,

IF SHE brought the gun and thereby demonstrated premediatated intent, fatally shot him in the chest at close range, then never mind all the pyscho-babble about background, I vote that that she should be held fully accountable and receive the stiffest sentence such crimes bring in the Kingdom of Thailand.

IF HE brought the gun, started the rowe, hit her, taunted her with the weapon, tormented her with his financial power over her and the children, then she snapped (now all the weird miserable background of 27 years really does come into consideration) snatched the weapon and shot him accidentally rendering a fatal injury as he ran away across the parking lot, I vote that she should be found guilty of manslaughter and be extradited to Canada to have them decide the sentance.

To me it all boils down to the question of premeditation and intent.

Thank-you, Hawaiianeyes,,,,,I agree.

I can see how a guy like this could so easily manipulate some of the women that have posted on this thread - you're quite pathetic, living your life like hippy fairies dancing in a rose tinted world. You people need men because you're too bloody useless to survive without them supporting you.

Not one of you could be trusted in a position of responsibility because you'd always be focussing on emotion.

Your name suits you loaded, You must be loaded on some of your fine thai stick or else you are just and idiot.

Does anyone know or can explain why she followed him to Thailand?

I completely side with the children and support there protection and provisions for them to have a healthy life (with just one name) where they will be fortified with enough of a sense of selfworth that they will be resistant to falling for any guy who claims to be God. Whatever I might think of the mother I think I can safely say is at the very least a bad example.

I'm courious about the thai wife. Were they married? I have a hard time believing that a Thai woman would fall for his crap. It would be interesting to see how she thinks about all this. I can imagine the first time he played his "I'm god" card and she pulls out her third eye.

I don't know for certain when Jean arrived in Thailand, but I can tell you this, she has always been around GPD and was probably there before he was. She was abused and was his victim and it's not like she had a choice, he would stop at nothing and hurt her and the kids if she didn't stay by his side and help him. GPD always kept her near him and mostly out of sight. I do know that she was finally trying to get away and I don't think this sat too well for Dubie. He surely didn't want to loose another slave. This is how he worked people!!!! Manipulate, control, and terrify his slaves. The people in his community just saw what he wanted them to see. He only treated some like he did Jeana and used them to his bidding. Remember folks, I used to be one of them and also saw how he hurt and controlled Jeana. I really do think he was threatening her and she just got the better of the situation and saved her own life. It is amazing the strength a woman can have when she is fighting for her children..........Self defense.........Send her back to Canada.................Why would Thailand want to keep her there anyway??????? Makes no sense........... At least let her be in the same Country that her children are in........

Hello, Hi Everybody!!!!!!!! I don't know what happened to my last reply, it seems to have mysteriously disappeared.....Oh well. I am trying to respond to number 3 from the blog of hazel8500. Hawaiianeyes believes this person is the ex-herbal wife Jeri. If this is so, she is feeding you all a bunch of bull ssss. First of all, I go way back in this crazy clan, as some want to call it. 1977 to be exact. GPD and I had our first child in 1978, second in 1980 and third in 1982. We lived together, first on Oahu, then moved to Kauai just before our first boy, Jamil turned one. Yes, this is where the real weird stuff started happening........... yes, we had a cult group.... it was called the Signifigance. Yes, there was stealing involved that Dubie orchestrated. Yes, he was abusive, cruel, and presented himself as one that could change reality and that we, his followers were signifigant and would one day be faced with saving the world. The woman in jail, Maggie Clinchy/aka/Jeana was involved way back then. Her first child, I know, was not by Dubie, she was born 04/22/80. I knew her well because I wet nursed her and loved her like she was one of my own. A few years later she had Angie, you all call her Angel. I don't know if she is Dubies or not. but what I do know is that none of Maggies kids were ever invitro. That is soooooo.... crazy to say that. Why????? For what reason??????? Maggie was to busy following Dubies orders and Dubie was playing everyone he could. He kept Maggie loyal (in there) because he needed her to help him find more victims that he used to call Angels. He abused Maggie more than anyone else on this earth and for almost 27 years she just wanted some kind of recognision. She was never a secretary!!!! You might of been told that, cuz you were being conned by George. You were a set up. We all were, get real already and realize Maggie's not the bad guy here, just another of Goerge Patrick Dubie's victims. Gotta go right now, but will tell you more tomorrow. Aloha, Kari

Hawaiianeyes,

thanks for your continuing research into those duped by Dubie. The letter alleged to be from "personalprosperity" was also very revealing of the writer's beliefs. As you say, many women were fooled by this expert...regardless of their education, wealth, and personal strengths.

best to you, fruittbatt.

Yes, I too thank Hawaiianeyes, her and I are on the same page, although his hold on me was gone long long ago. I wonder why a woman like Jeri did't hire an inverstigater before she married him???? I sure bet the company Herbalife wish she had!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best to you Fruittbatt and Hawaiianeyes. Talk to ya soon. Love Kari

Try as I may to find sympathy for these ladies, after reading Sarada's account in her spiritual quest book on-line, I've decided that my sympathy lies with the children rather than the mothers. It's always the innocents that suffer. You as adults made your choices, the children didn't have that luxury.

When it comes to sympathy for others, you may consider that he successfully wooed and was legally married for 9 years (until just recently) to Geri Cvitanovich, certainly no bubble-headed-swooning-dummy, an herbalife top distributor worth millions. The guy was VERY good at bagging and keeping the women he set forth after. I would suggest that sympathy be available to all those seriously injured by this man's intricate fabrications built to support his grandiose and narcisistic quests. None of us is all knowing. Certainly children suffer the most but as to choices, true choices do not exist where there is an entire enterprise built to decieve. Ultimately, this whole web conversation goes back to Jeana/Margaret and the question of personal responsibility. I think arguements can be made on both sides. She was driven by extreme mental/emotional abuse. She is responsible for the death of a human being. Personally I do not know where justice lies. Should she have full clemency due to the character of the man? Is all human life protected by laws no matter what the life of the individual? I do not support vigilante justice but I have lived through much torment at the hands of this person. Did he bring the weapon to the restaurant and taunt her after physically slapping her so that her response is more like second degree manslaugher than premeditated "murder 1"?.........The Thai justice system has a real tough job here.

Thank you for articulating so clearly the complex issues which this shooting has raised.

All I want to say to both of you. is that I would love to meet you some day.... I am sooooooo very impressed by at least a few of the ladies in Dubies past.. You girls ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that Herbal girl and Thai girl read all of this, but, their hearts aren't where they should be. Oh, well, I have always believed in Karma, and their reality is not to have any peaceful closeure to this situation, or they would be reaching out to the others............... Oh, my God, that sounds like a new T.V. drama that should follow the series "LOST"

Well, like it or not kids....... We that were involved with Dubie and had his babies, do have a lot of emotional baggage.......DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, Jeri, This is a chance for you to e-mail me and ask me what you want to, instead of having a guy that calls himself Ken try to get info from me....... I speak the truth...........I have nothing to hide..... I now wonder why you do???????????????????????????????/

Well, of course Herbal or Thai girls don't want Jeana/Maggie to be helped, because she was always there in the background of their life and feel threatened by this because of their ego... Instead, they should be reaching out to all and all the children of his life and try to have some peace.......

Whatever........ I don't need to try and make this happen, don't much feel like talking until i'm blue in the face...............

Much Aloha to A and M

I'm writing to correct something in this last post of mine. I was wrong to think that a man named Ken was trying to get info from me. He wasn't. So very sorry, my mistake.

Where has everyone gone???????????????? Off to new topics I guess.......I am going to miss you all, thanks for all of your input, even when it was wrong, it just meant a lot to me. Even with George Dubie's death, he will live on forever in my heart. It was a real good thing for me to share the pain he had caused me, it was a way of letting it go. I feel lighter right now. Does that make sense???? I know he must have had many regrets in his life. Just look at all the beautiful people he surrounded himself with. Just look at all the beautiful children he had. Somehow, he just couldn't keep his demons at bay. Who knows what the after life brings, but, I do wish he is at peace and can find a way to make up for all of his wrong doings.....................That should keep him busy for a few centuries. LOL

Seriously though..........Farewell, and thank you from the bottom of my heart for my Jamil, Calista and Christian. For them, I am eternally greatful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surfs up....Hang ten!!!!

Sincerely, Kari aka Karen Davis

Thank you for sharing your life with us through this forum and through Sarada's story. I hope that in the second half of your life you get all the rewards you deserve for being a great mum, a brave and caring person, and able to forgive the past ...All the very best .......fruittbatt

There is no easy way to sum up this man s life; he was a very complex person. He was extremely birght, driven and restless. He was not divine although he told me he was and that I am and that we are all blameless children of God. I think alot will come of his death. For now there is shock, giref, anger, and the work to rebuild. There is real evil in the world and whereverthere are lies there cannot be peace. I wish those affected and suffering due to his lies, the peace that comes from learning the truth. This forum has been a civil (for the most part) way to find the truth and so peace.

THANK YOU KARI for your openess. I send your lovely children Aloha may we know the (Mae' mae) truth and find this peace to let go of anger and go forward without that great burden.

George Patrick Dubie was finally cremated yesterday (Tuesday) here in Chiang Mai, and though he's gone, it will just be the beginning of sorting out his estate, and the enormous hassle you can imagine it will bring for all those concerned.

Mahalo for the new info on the remains of Dubie, after all, it will be at least some sort of closesure for his three offsprings that live here in Washington State..................... MAYBE??????????????? Who knows what new terrors that may arise in my children some day because of his selfless, ego, sexual, mental torturing ways............................................... I know that I just learned something the other day that makes me wish he weren't dead, and that I might be the one to now pull the trigger on that gun, but not for him to die right away................................OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT WOULD BE TOO HUMANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I, Kari, no longer wish this of (what's his name) born 03/17/50....ss#561-86-1107...................................I wish he were alive.......................and I know there are many that still believe this to be the case, that he has just faked his death and that Jeana/M is willing to sacrafice her life in jail or to be executed to clear him of many that search for him......but, I don't think this is so, but I wish it could be,,,,,,,,,,,,,so we could all seek our reVenge of this monster, wimp, depraved, spineless, beast of a man, that called himeself almost anything but his birth name....... of,...... GEORGE PATRICK DUBIE.

george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george..........................................................................

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...................................................................etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,..................................................................NOT: Shon, Christian Hart, Keoki, Daniel blah blah blah..............................................etc. Get my point???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? "IF" these are indeed his ashes,,,,,,,,please push flush..........................................

WOW

I dont know what you were doing when you wrote this but I think you are very brave to vent such inner emotions to a forum

its emotive illogical unaccountable neurotic irrational

suggest you change your medication immediately as you are dangerous and should be off the streets

Suggest you get a life, blackheart....then you might be able to imagine what another person's anguish feels like....you might even get some insights into your own creepy and sick psyche

People that have nothing to hide from don't... those that do, are people like Dubie. Why do you think it so weird that I give my e-mail and phone # etc. and share my emotions??????????????? When Dubie threatened my life and took my child away, I went back to my childhood home, where he had been to so that he could find me. All I wanted was my child back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I hid in fear of him, I would never have seen my baby again..............I would prefer death.. Get a life

Try as I may to find sympathy for these ladies, after reading Sarada's account in her spiritual quest book on-line, I've decided that my sympathy lies with the children rather than the mothers. It's always the innocents that suffer. You as adults made your choices, the children didn't have that luxury.

When it comes to sympathy for others, you may consider that he successfully wooed and was legally married for 9 years (until just recently) to Geri Cvitanovich, certainly no bubble-headed-swooning-dummy, an herbalife top distributor worth millions. The guy was VERY good at bagging and keeping the women he set forth after. I would suggest that sympathy be available to all those seriously injured by this man's intricate fabrications built to support his grandiose and narcisistic quests. None of us is all knowing. Certainly children suffer the most but as to choices, true choices do not exist where there is an entire enterprise built to decieve. Ultimately, this whole web conversation goes back to Jeana/Margaret and the question of personal responsibility. I think arguements can be made on both sides. She was driven by extreme mental/emotional abuse. She is responsible for the death of a human being. Personally I do not know where justice lies. Should she have full clemency due to the character of the man? Is all human life protected by laws no matter what the life of the individual? I do not support vigilante justice but I have lived through much torment at the hands of this person. Did he bring the weapon to the restaurant and taunt her after physically slapping her so that her response is more like second degree manslaugher than premeditated "murder 1"?.........The Thai justice system has a real tough job here.

Thank you for articulating so clearly the complex issues which this shooting has raised.

All I want to say to both of you. is that I would love to meet you some day.... I am sooooooo very impressed by at least a few of the ladies in Dubies past.. You girls ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that Herbal girl and Thai girl read all of this, but, their hearts aren't where they should be. Oh, well, I have always believed in Karma, and their reality is not to have any peaceful closeure to this situation, or they would be reaching out to the others............... Oh, my God, that sounds like a new T.V. drama that should follow the series "LOST"

Well, like it or not kids....... We that were involved with Dubie and had his babies, do have a lot of emotional baggage.......DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, Jeri, This is a chance for you to e-mail me and ask me what you want to, instead of having a guy that calls himself Ken try to get info from me....... I speak the truth...........I have nothing to hide..... I now wonder why you do???????????????????????????????/

Well, of course Herbal or Thai girls don't want Jeana/Maggie to be helped, because she was always there in the background of their life and feel threatened by this because of their ego... Instead, they should be reaching out to all and all the children of his life and try to have some peace.......

Whatever........ I don't need to try and make this happen, don't much feel like talking until i'm blue in the face...............

Much Aloha to A and M

Mahalo for the new info on the remains of Dubie, after all, it will be at least some sort of closesure for his three offsprings that live here in Washington State..................... MAYBE??????????????? Who knows what new terrors that may arise in my children some day because of his selfless, ego, sexual, mental torturing ways............................................... I know that I just learned something the other day that makes me wish he weren't dead, and that I might be the one to now pull the trigger on that gun, but not for him to die right away................................OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT WOULD BE TOO HUMANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I, Kari, no longer wish this of (what's his name) born 03/17/50....ss#561-86-1107...................................I wish he were alive.......................and I know there are many that still believe this to be the case, that he has just faked his death and that Jeana/M is willing to sacrafice her life in jail or to be executed to clear him of many that search for him......but, I don't think this is so, but I wish it could be,,,,,,,,,,,,,so we could all seek our reVenge of this monster, wimp, depraved, spineless, beast of a man, that called himeself almost anything but his birth name....... of,...... GEORGE PATRICK DUBIE.

george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george..........................................................................

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...................................................................etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,..................................................................NOT: Shon, Christian Hart, Keoki, Daniel blah blah blah..............................................etc. Get my point???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? "IF" these are indeed his ashes,,,,,,,,please push flush..........................................

WOW

I dont know what you were doing when you wrote this but I think you are very brave to vent such inner emotions to a forum

its emotive illogical unaccountable neurotic irrational

suggest you change your medication immediately as you are dangerous and should be off the streets

Suggest you get a life, blackheart....then you might be able to imagine what another person's anguish feels like....you might even get some insights into your own creepy and sick psyche

I might be the one to now pull the trigger on that gun, but not for him to die right away -

and I'm sick?

Along with BlackJack, I'm confused by the swings in emotion regarding Dubie: He should have rotted in jail, followed by I forgive him; he was a genius, may he find peace, I still love him and then I wish I had shot him instead. There is a world of decent guys and yet these two ladies bypassed that for a scoundrel who gave them the hots. Go figure.

Well, who isn't confused???????????? If you're still logging on and submiting a post , ( to this very lovely newspaper), that brought us all together, then you TOO!, may need medical attention.

r u a parent???? Are you a mother that had her little two year old daughter abducted by him for 6and a half years????????????? NO ONE!!!!!!!!! knows this pain until you're there!!!!! You all saw the real me in both of my last posts............The first is getting on with her life and trying to find the good, and of course, there is the fact that I would not have the three children I do without him. For that I am grateful.........................................................

The next, way more savage post, came out of me because of something very personal I just learned of................................. A friend of mine was just saying yesterday about how life is so strange.............What an understatement!!! LISTEN FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you didn't live it.................................Well, then you make comments to a perfect stranger, like blackjack does, judging about somethings he knows squat about. (Look that word up, old pal)

Try as I may to find sympathy for these ladies, after reading Sarada's account in her spiritual quest book on-line, I've decided that my sympathy lies with the children rather than the mothers. It's always the innocents that suffer. You as adults made your choices, the children didn't have that luxury.

Thaimeup, we all feel for the many children who have suffered who knows what grief and trauma: but I don't think playing god and judging the mothers who have brought these children up single-handedly is a very helpful addition to this topic.

Don't go out of your way too try and bring thaimeup into the light. His light bulb never came on.

Mahalo for the new info on the remains of Dubie, after all, it will be at least some sort of closesure for his three offsprings that live here in Washington State..................... MAYBE??????????????? Who knows what new terrors that may arise in my children some day because of his selfless, ego, sexual, mental torturing ways............................................... I know that I just learned something the other day that makes me wish he weren't dead, and that I might be the one to now pull the trigger on that gun, but not for him to die right away................................OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT WOULD BE TOO HUMANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I, Kari, no longer wish this of (what's his name) born 03/17/50....ss#561-86-1107...................................I wish he were alive.......................and I know there are many that still believe this to be the case, that he has just faked his death and that Jeana/M is willing to sacrafice her life in jail or to be executed to clear him of many that search for him......but, I don't think this is so, but I wish it could be,,,,,,,,,,,,,so we could all seek our reVenge of this monster, wimp, depraved, spineless, beast of a man, that called himeself almost anything but his birth name....... of,...... GEORGE PATRICK DUBIE.

george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george..........................................................................

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...................................................................etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,..................................................................NOT: Shon, Christian Hart, Keoki, Daniel blah blah blah..............................................etc. Get my point???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? "IF" these are indeed his ashes,,,,,,,,please push flush..........................................

WOW

I dont know what you were doing when you wrote this but I think you are very brave to vent such inner emotions to a forum

its emotive illogical unaccountable neurotic irrational

suggest you change your medication immediately as you are dangerous and should be off the streets

Suggest you get a life, blackheart....then you might be able to imagine what another person's anguish feels like....you might even get some insights into your own creepy and sick psyche

I might be the one to now pull the trigger on that gun, but not for him to die right away -

and I'm sick?

Along with BlackJack, I'm confused by the swings in emotion regarding Dubie: He should have rotted in jail, followed by I forgive him; he was a genius, may he find peace, I still love him and then I wish I had shot him instead. There is a world of decent guys and yet these two ladies bypassed that for a scoundrel who gave them the hots. Go figure.

Well, who isn't confused???????????? If you're still logging on and submiting a post , ( to this very lovely newspaper), that brought us all together, then you TOO!, may need medical attention.

r u a parent???? Are you a mother that had her little two year old daughter abducted by him for 6and a half years????????????? NO ONE!!!!!!!!! knows this pain until you're there!!!!! You all saw the real me in both of my last posts............The first is getting on with her life and trying to find the good, and of course, there is the fact that I would not have the three children I do without him. For that I am grateful.........................................................

The next, way more savage post, came out of me because of something very personal I just learned of................................. A friend of mine was just saying yesterday about how life is so strange.............What an understatement!!! LISTEN FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you didn't live it.................................Well, then you make comments to a perfect stranger, like blackjack does, judging about somethings he knows squat about. (Look that word up, old pal)

I tried to get a fund going for this poor victim of this evil man

but so far only 100 baht for her defence

hardly enough for soup

is there any update on her plight - does she have any visitors?

her lawyer

court hearing

bail

what is she charged with

In spite of the tone of your previous posts on this topic, I will suspend my scepticism and treat your enquiries seriously. You might find that others won't reply because they think you're taking the p*** again, but I'll give you the benefit of face-value.

Yes, people are visiting Margaret/Jeana and bringing her food. She has a Canadian attorney, and the last i heard her bail application was due for hearing this week. Let's wait and see what the outcome of the bail hearing is, what charge she is likely to face here, and also whether there is any chance of her being extradited to Canada for trial. I hope others who are "on the spot" may be able to provide you with better and further details soon.

thanks, Fruitbatt, You are quite right..... no one know how to reply to Blackjack.

Where has everyone gone???????????????? Off to new topics I guess.......I am going to miss you all, thanks for all of your input, even when it was wrong, it just meant a lot to me. Even with George Dubie's death, he will live on forever in my heart. It was a real good thing for me to share the pain he had caused me, it was a way of letting it go. I feel lighter right now. Does that make sense???? I know he must have had many regrets in his life. Just look at all the beautiful people he surrounded himself with. Just look at all the beautiful children he had. Somehow, he just couldn't keep his demons at bay. Who knows what the after life brings, but, I do wish he is at peace and can find a way to make up for all of his wrong doings.....................That should keep him busy for a few centuries. LOL

Seriously though..........Farewell, and thank you from the bottom of my heart for my Jamil, Calista and Christian. For them, I am eternally greatful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surfs up....Hang ten!!!!

Sincerely, Kari aka Karen Davis

Thank you for sharing your life with us through this forum and through Sarada's story. I hope that in the second half of your life you get all the rewards you deserve for being a great mum, a brave and caring person, and able to forgive the past ...All the very best .......fruittbatt

There is no easy way to sum up this man s life; he was a very complex person. He was extremely birght, driven and restless. He was not divine although he told me he was and that I am and that we are all blameless children of God. I think alot will come of his death. For now there is shock, giref, anger, and the work to rebuild. There is real evil in the world and whereverthere are lies there cannot be peace. I wish those affected and suffering due to his lies, the peace that comes from learning the truth. This forum has been a civil (for the most part) way to find the truth and so peace.

THANK YOU KARI for your openess. I send your lovely children Aloha may we know the (Mae' mae) truth and find this peace to let go of anger and go forward without that great burden.

George Patrick Dubie was finally cremated yesterday (Tuesday) here in Chiang Mai, and though he's gone, it will just be the beginning of sorting out his estate, and the enormous hassle you can imagine it will bring for all those concerned.

Mahalo for the new info on the remains of Dubie, after all, it will be at least some sort of closesure for his three offsprings that live here in Washington State..................... MAYBE??????????????? Who knows what new terrors that may arise in my children some day because of his selfless, ego, sexual, mental torturing ways............................................... I know that I just learned something the other day that makes me wish he weren't dead, and that I might be the one to now pull the trigger on that gun, but not for him to die right away................................OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT WOULD BE TOO HUMANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I, Kari, no longer wish this of (what's his name) born 03/17/50....ss#561-86-1107...................................I wish he were alive.......................and I know there are many that still believe this to be the case, that he has just faked his death and that Jeana/M is willing to sacrafice her life in jail or to be executed to clear him of many that search for him......but, I don't think this is so, but I wish it could be,,,,,,,,,,,,,so we could all seek our reVenge of this monster, wimp, depraved, spineless, beast of a man, that called himeself almost anything but his birth name....... of,...... GEORGE PATRICK DUBIE.

george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george, george..........................................................................

................................................................................

...................................................................etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,..................................................................NOT: Shon, Christian Hart, Keoki, Daniel blah blah blah..............................................etc. Get my point???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? "IF" these are indeed his ashes,,,,,,,,please push flush..........................................

ohhhhhhh paaaaaaaaallllllleeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeee

Okay, I won't miss you

Where has everyone gone???????????????? Off to new topics I guess.......I am going to miss you all, thanks for all of your input, even when it was wrong, it just meant a lot to me. Even with George Dubie's death, he will live on forever in my heart. It was a real good thing for me to share the pain he had caused me, it was a way of letting it go. I feel lighter right now. Does that make sense???? I know he must have had many regrets in his life. Just look at all the beautiful people he surrounded himself with. Just look at all the beautiful children he had. Somehow, he just couldn't keep his demons at bay. Who knows what the after life brings, but, I do wish he is at peace and can find a way to make up for all of his wrong doings.....................That should keep him busy for a few centuries. LOL

Seriously though..........Farewell, and thank you from the bottom of my heart for my Jamil, Calista and Christian. For them, I am eternally greatful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surfs up....Hang ten!!!!

Sincerely, Kari aka Karen Davis

Interesting the fact that Mr. Dennis Rivers, the owner of the site should include this update...

These encounters included several years in the entourage of one of the more bizarre spiritual teachers of recent times, the charismatic sociopath, George Daniel Patrick "Shon" Dubie, (who was killed in 2006 by one of his estranged followers). A very current site, most unusual, but there again, everything about this man (Dubie) is unusual.

The download speed from his shared server was just too slow this afternoon. Will have to download it later.

Very interesting reading indeed!

It is obvious from the manuscript that the story was written and copyrighted in 2004, and only just recently updated (to publicise Dubie's death) for promotional purposes.

No. This site has just recently popped up because I contacted Sarada, the author after Dubies death and told he to read the www.findkristen.com site and this site. This is just more info that should be shared with all to open the eyes of George Dubies fans. All she writes about is true, with regards to her life on the run with Dubie....... I had a very hard time reading this because it was the first time I was finding out where my missing child, Calista had been during those terrible six and a half years. Just thought you all should know. Sincerely, Kari/Karen Davis

Thank you Kari for the link.

I wouldn't sign up to be a Dubie fanatic but i certainly have had years of time to observe his life and have heard his versions of these events. Now I am trying to put my life back together.

This story was too painful to read in full. It seems that he has really kept a similar bag of tricks for over 30 years.

I would like to write up my experiences but I do not know if I am strong enough to do that yet.

BTW why is Herbalife advertising all over this site????

Very interesting why herbalife is advertising on this site?????????? For some reason it's not too surprizing though. I can sympathize with your pain, and I for years hide it down deep in my soul and didn"t share my story with anyone.......I didn't trust anyone.......... In fact, I still don't trust most people and will probably remain single for the rest of my life.... but, who cares about that!!! I'm just saying that I have a big shoulder and large heart if you ever want to share with me more at my e-mail [email protected] or call me at home 360 352 2587. Stay strong. Yours truely, Kari

Interesting the fact that Mr. Dennis Rivers, the owner of the site should include this update...

These encounters included several years in the entourage of one of the more bizarre spiritual teachers of recent times, the charismatic sociopath, George Daniel Patrick "Shon" Dubie, (who was killed in 2006 by one of his estranged followers). A very current site, most unusual, but there again, everything about this man (Dubie) is unusual.

The download speed from his shared server was just too slow this afternoon. Will have to download it later.

Very interesting reading indeed!

It is obvious from the manuscript that the story was written and copyrighted in 2004, and only just recently updated (to publicise Dubie's death) for promotional purposes.

No. This site has just recently popped up because I contacted Sarada, the author after Dubies death and told he to read the www.findkristen.com site and this site. This is just more info that should be shared with all to open the eyes of George Dubies fans. All she writes about is true, with regards to her life on the run with Dubie....... I had a very hard time reading this because it was the first time I was finding out where my missing child, Calista had been during those terrible six and a half years. Just thought you all should know. Sincerely, Kari/Karen Davis

These have been sent to me anon...

maybe just gossip but everything seems to be leading me back to Herbal life

(not saying/suggesting anything just in case ...OK)

Any another 2 names to add to the lads history....

and believe Queenie is ....Dig Deeper and find out..........

..herbalife mark hughes' colleague and geri cvitanovich dubie's divorced hubbie daniel dubie shot

Under the "You can not make this stuff up" category there is much more dirt in the Herbalife MLM "dark and evil" empire.

Daniel Dubie (aka George Patrick Dubie name on his CA drivers liscence, Christian Hart, Ahmed Silibi Oman Dubie) was killed by long time "common law" canadian "wife" Margaret Crane (aka Jeana Hart). Perhaps...

and..

Just on time - Sam guide, Thu Oct 6 13:48:59 2005

Yes! Geri Cvitanovich "image" and open, very fake marriage to Daniel is confirmed.

Geri is VERY good and putting on a "SHOW" for the herbalife family just ask Queenie....

Daniel has many many women around the world....

Their lifestyle is just a "PHONEY SHOW" It is a VERY unhappy marriage.....

They are secretly seperated...Ask Queenie....SHARE THIS MESSAGE

I am very saddened and shocked by the horrific events reported regarding Daniel.

He had called me a month ago and we spoke at length. I was sorry to hear that his mother had just passed away.

I loved him very much. I had a lot of anger towards him about his actions from the past. He did try to make things right with me and I honor that. It all seems so sad now. I could not fully forgive him and I regret that. I am humbled by his tragic death and the reminder that we all will die. I forgive him and I wish him peace. He was a remarkable person full of energy, magic and enthusiasm for life. I now feel that perhaps even he got carried away in his own spells, exuberant visions and great “plans”. He had the most remarkable eyes and gaze. I support the efforts to uncover the truth of his complex and secretive life history. It seems that some of his choices and actions led to a great deal of suffering and that many were hurt and angered (I was and took all the appropriate steps I could to address the effects of his actions) but he was greatly loved. May the best of him live on in his children.

I would like to send this message to Felecia or Vanessa. Can you help me to do that?

To address some questions raised in this forum:

Daniel (George Patrick) Dubie and Geraldine Cvitanovich were legally married and legally divorced in Hawaii. Readers can look on the Hawaii Judicary court records web site for this documentation.

Meaning of the name-Jadeavassociates was Jade + ava (Avatar Productions another of Daniels Production companies).

Daniel did have 2 films shown in the Hawaiian film festival. These were documentary types.

I believe Venessa is on Oahu, HI,,,,, I just heard that Felicia is in Iran

it's hard to believe that so many are so upset by: if he made films, if he didn't, if he was a reporter for cnn or not, if this, if that.

You are all still missing the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll agree that George could have done all of this and so much more, he was brillant. I lived with him, did you???? He could have used his talents for so.....much good, but didn't. If he made a film, it was probably porn, and if he seemed to be helping people, it was cuz he wanted to scam them. Sorry, guys, but George's legacy will be that he left many children un cared for and that's that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rest in ?????????????????????? KEOKI

I appreciate your input and respect the information you provide. Money in this situation is very much unknown but one thing that is clear is that Jeana and the 5 children in Chiang Mai had enough to live comfortably in their own (rented) good quality home. The kids were in a private school costing about US$50,000 per year total for the 5 of them. Is it possible that George was providing financial support for this ?

it has never been his money......................

That would be amazing!!!!!! with love to all, Karen/Kari

hmmm not likely? bet a mod could tell where this was posted from

Believe it or not No ...I have absolutely No idea .

I understand that its possible to track/trace where an email starts from ...country ID No & Location etc.but ....mai Ko Jai...

Some I get through thaivisa and other come into my own address mail...in my case Ethailand.com

Some stuff that has come through recently concerning this case is to say the least.. a bit suss.

I have replied to 2 people asking for more info (in confidence) especially regarding copies of forwarded emails that could be genunine or not but believe it or not I dont want to pre-empt anything ......

I have my own suspicion on the whole story but there is so much more out there waiting to be "aired"...drug dealings,porno films,Bi-sexual behaviour,dodgy charity foundations,previous serious criminal activities (LOS-US-South America)...suggestion of FBI..investigations..."holistic Spars"...yeah sure business dealings especially in C.M with orthers (very quiet).......and lots and lots of dosh..... and more.....

At the moment I am sitting in my office here in deepest Islington,London (and its hot-hot weather wise )handling loads of other stuff on my normal day job...."cancil mate ...cancil".... while at the same time dipping in and out of TV and responding to postings if and when there are relevant....and thats it....no more....O... yes drinking coffee.....

That would be amazing!!!!!! with love to all, Karen/Kari

hmmm not likely? bet a mod could tell where this was posted from

Believe it or not No ...I have absolutely No idea .

I understand that its possible to track/trace where an email starts from ...country ID No & Location etc.but ....mai Ko Jai...

Some I get through thaivisa and other come into my own address mail...in my case Ethailand.com

Some stuff that has come through recently concerning this case is to say the least.. a bit suss.

I have replied to 2 people asking for more info (in confidence) especially regarding copies of forwarded emails that could be genunine or not but believe it or not I dont want to pre-empt anything ......

I have my own suspicion on the whole story but there is so much more out there waiting to be "aired"...drug dealings,porno films,Bi-sexual behaviour,dodgy charity foundations,previous serious criminal activities (LOS-US-South America)...suggestion of FBI..investigations..."holistic Spars"...yeah sure business dealings especially in C.M with orthers (very quiet).......and lots and lots of dosh..... and more.....

At the moment I am sitting in my office here in deepest Islington,London (and its hot-hot weather wise )handling loads of other stuff on my normal day job...."cancil mate ...cancil".... while at the same time dipping in and out of TV and responding to postings if and when there are relevant....and thats it....no more....O... yes drinking coffee.....

That would be amazing!!!!!! with love to all, Karen/Kari

hmmm not likely? bet a mod could tell where this was posted from

Believe it or not No ...I have absolutely No idea .

I understand that its possible to track/trace where an email starts from ...country ID No & Location etc.but ....mai Ko Jai...

Some I get through thaivisa and other come into my own address mail...in my case Ethailand.com

Some stuff that has come through recently concerning this case is to say the least.. a bit suss.

I have replied to 2 people asking for more info (in confidence) especially regarding copies of forwarded emails that could be genunine or not but believe it or not I dont want to pre-empt anything ......

I have my own suspicion on the whole story but there is so much more out there waiting to be "aired"...drug dealings,porno films,Bi-sexual behaviour,dodgy charity foundations,previous serious criminal activities (LOS-US-South America)...suggestion of FBI..investigations..."holistic Spars"...yeah sure business dealings especially in C.M with orthers (very quiet).......and lots and lots of dosh..... and more.....

At the moment I am sitting in my office here in deepest Islington,London (and its hot-hot weather wise )handling loads of other stuff on my normal day job...."cancil mate ...cancil".... while at the same time dipping in and out of TV and responding to postings if and when there are relevant....and thats it....no more....O... yes drinking coffee.....

What's not likely???????????????????????? I would like to know, since your comment is coming after my entry................... Specialk/Karen Davis/Kari Dubie/[email protected]