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23 minutes ago, madmen said:
A lot cheaper and no hassle
I guess it depends on what brings you here, and what your window of opportunity is. For some people it's urgent (family, etc); for someone like me it's just what I wanted to do, and I accepted this price in order to be able to do it now instead of later.
Also I'm pretty skeptical of the "vaccine passport" idea -- I am absolutely pro-vaxx and will get any non-Chinese jab as soon as I'm allowed, but until the local population is vaccinated I don't think it really makes sense to let in vaccinated outsiders without quarantine. Or at least: according to the logic that has so far held sway in Thailand, it doesn't make sense.
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Greetings from post-Quarantine!
My last days at the Pullman G were about the same as the other days -- variety may be the spice of life, but Heinz chili sauce is the spice of Quarantine!
Well to be fair there were a lot of different spices on offer, in addition to the ubiquitious Heinz chili sauce, which is actually pretty good on fries. And it's not like nothing ever changed: by my last day there were seven of us in Pool Area Relaxation Hour, including the first woman and the first smoker (one person, not two).
On the last full day the kitchen sent me a cute message on the dinner bag -- final day! -- with an illustration of a cute lady cook. Or maybe the nurse in a cook's outfit! I would have rather had them send the cook/nurse herself, but this was Quarantine Hotel and not Fantasy Island.
As for potentially useful information: the second PCR test was fine and by that point your only real risk of a positive result is the miniscule risk of a false positive, but still I was nervous. The negative result was more of a relief than I'd expected.
In fact overall I found the experience more stressful than I was admitting to myself. I devised a pretty workable, if not at all productive, routine for killing the time, but by the last couple of days I noticed my teeth were clenched more often than not. I wasn't feeling isolated, exactly -- I had at least one phone call every day -- but after a while the stuck-ness started to get to me. I'm sure I could have powered through more of this, but I'm also sure it wouldn't have been good for me.
The last full day felt especially absurd: I already had the second negative PCR result, so why was I still in Martha Stewart Luxury Prison? Because rules, I guess. In honor of the gods of absurdity I spent the final day learning about Non-Fungible Tokens, aka the intersection of Gamestonk and Sotheby's. Google Beeple for more. Oh and I still had to check my temperature. One never knows.
On the final evening I got a call from the front desk asking when I'd like to check out. I chose 11am and they asked if I'd like breakfast as usual. Yes. And in the morning I was surprised by a Proper Hotel Breakfast -- same same benedict but on a fancy tray, with extra fruit and toast. It was a nice gesture, sort of symbolically marking your transition from Plague Suspect to Almost Free Falang.
Checkout was pretty simple: wait for the staff to bring you down, wear your slippers, then put on your shoes and sign out, collecting your certificates on the way, then wait for your taxi.
Specific to the Pullman I should also note that laundry is charged at hotel rates. Some people elsewhere have complained about that. I didn't have any problem with it: the majority of the guests seemed bound for some version of "home" after ASQ anyway, and times are tight, I'm sure the laundry service isn't free for the hotel. And it was hotel-quality service: took half a day, clean and folded and smelling fresh, none of that "interesting Thai water" smell I've encountered with laundry services.
Getting out into the world was a bit overwhelming but, obviously, a wonderful feeling. My taxi driver got lost on Sukhumvit and had to turn around and then got lost again -- twice in two straight lines, even with help from my Google Maps! And I didn't care in the least. The Sheraton Grande was super accommodating and is in fact pretty Grande. To the reader who asked: Junior Suite has bum gun. And minibar! (Not much in it but I didn't want to get drunk on Freedom Day One anyway.) The ThailandPlus app failed to recognize several QR codes in a row at Terminal 21. I was able to set up a post-paid mobile phone account with nothing but my passport and my karma.
I made it through quarantine with my sanity intact and my health only slightly impacted, and you can too! If I had to do it again the only thing I'd change for sure is that I'd try harder to pull myself together and do some yoga or whatever. I definitely sat around too much, but that's on me.
My final verdict on the Pullman G: friendly staff; very good food and more than enough of it; amazing view; quite limited outdoor area; and -- significantly -- a very generous deposit policy, in case you care how much money you have at risk before you get on that airplane. I paid 60K THB for the whole thing (plus laundry, YMMV) and I would most definitely call it Value For Money.
Whether this is right for you I can not answer, but do check other reviews and compare what people say about different hotels. I also found YouTube pretty useful: one place, which I will not name, had some really great extras and I almost booked it, but then watched its very positive review and found it pretty depressing. Glad I booked the G instead. Consider what your needs are, and which things are going to bring you joy or misery when you live with them in an apparently eternal cycle, on average 23.5 hours a day, until they let you out.
I have no regrets and will definitely consider the Pullman G again if this system is still in place in the Fall. Which, please dear Buddha and all available spirits, let it not be!
PS -- Buri Ram Guy from the yard, if you're reading this, hello from freedom! If I ever make it to Buri Ram I'll keep an eye out for ya.
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Update for posterity: there were four beers in the minibar and the hotel would have let me order more (of presumably whatever) to the room had I wanted. All other sales were prohibited. I didn't try any bars/restaurants because I stayed in to watch the fights from Singapore anyway.
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Thank you all for the tips. Unless I stumble upon some entrepreneurial activity, I think I'm gonna just tough it out. More brain cells left to kill on Saturday that way!
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Hello! I will be released from quarantine straight into Maka Bucha this Friday. And yet bars are hopefully opening this week.
Question for Bangkokians: how long should I expect the holiday booze ban to last, and how seriously is it likely to be enforced?
Can I ask for a special mojito coffee mug if I find a tourist bar open? Should I just give up?
I'm flying solo and staying at Asoke. Not looking to party, just chill with a drink or two in the afternoon or evening and watch life unfold after sixteen days of lockup. I can wait until Saturday if need be, but I'd rather not! ????
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1 hour ago, elgenon said:
I wish I could go back to sleep and wish I could still take naps.
I haven't actually tried this but I'm pretty sure if you told them ahead of time that "dietary blablabla no breakfast please" they would be cool with it, and you would still get more than enough calories from lunch, snack and dinner.
You could even stash some of that in the fridge for the next morning so you don't have to wait until noon. You still get two servings of fruit, plus three small desserts, without breakfast; plus two rolls and there's usually enough stuff to make sandwiches of them. And two pieces of cheese and six crackers, a little discipline and you've got breakfast right there.
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9 hours ago, Letseng said:
oatmeal. My fav for breakfast
It's not available every day, but it's very tasty when it is! Served with fresh berries.
I've gone for a variety of breakfasts including, twice, Asian style which were too much for me (fried rice with tons of shrimp once; won-ton soup the other time). Eggy stuff is usually hot and quite good.
Standard breakfast is: a flat container with a small croissant and a small pastry; "toast" (um, approximately) with kangaroo butter; 3-4 pieces of cut fruit, usually pineapple, melon and watermelon; small plain yoghurt with jam -- plus a "bowl" type container with the day's main dish. Lunch and dinner follow similar packaging conventions though depending on the main there may be two or even three "bowls."
Yesterday had "Thai style" spicy lunch. Super yummy. Still suffering. ????
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7 hours ago, elgenon said:
Do you have to up and available at 7:00 am to get breakfast or do they leave it at the door for later pickup?
They drop it on the table outside your door, then knock and sometimes ring the doorbell, then go on their merry way.
So -- no idea what happens if you just ignore it. To me it would feel rude, if I really didn't want to deal I'd at least get up, fetch the breakfast, separate the hot part from the cold part, and go back to bed. The cold part would be plenty when I wake up.
You return the containers in strawberry-red biohazard bags anyway, nobody's going to see that you didn't eat your oatmeal.
As it happens I have found my weird sleep schedule kind of useful for the task of killing time: I'm tired in the morning but I can take a nice long nap in the afternoon, and then I'm that much closer to tomorrow!
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24 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:
I am at a 42,000 ASQ hotel near Soi 5. It sucks.
Sorry to hear that. Do you at least have a balcony?Yesterday, I think it was on the FB group, I read about two different ones in that range, one in Pattaya and one in Bangkok maybe near the airport, that at had balconies.
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Hello again from Quarantine!
Just a quick update for any folks thinking about running the Quarantine Gauntlet in order to enter the Kingdom.
FEEDING
The food is very good here, which I expected based on prior reviews. And, also per expectations, there is consistently a lot of it.
Pre-ordering everything before check-in was not ideal, and if I could do it over I would ask how far in advance I have to order -- I'm sure they would accommodate you at check-in. The fun "I don't remember what I ordered" factor wore off really fast, and it would definitely be "funner" to order tomorrow's vittles today. That said, I don't think I can be bothered to mess with the system now, so I'm sticking with the Law of Surprise.
My consumption has tapered off, which is good: you'd have to be very disciplined about your in-room exercise to not get fat on this diet, and "Discipline" is not my middle name, my middle name is "Procrastination."
By now I'm eating about half of each meal, 2/3 if I'm hungry, and I'm tempted to reduce further in order to actually diet a bit, but as I said the food is really good. Your caloric needs may vary! I have also been "caching" some of the food in the fridge, so if I get hungry off schedule I can usually grab a yoghurt or some candied fruit.
I was given a bowl, a plate, and silverware, as well as cups and glasses. These are washed in the sink, with the provided sponge and detergent. It's a fine system and by now, I'm mostly using the plate for dinner and sometimes for lunch.
As I mentioned in the previous post, I'm a tea snob and brought my own tea kit, but there are teabags. The kettle is great, perfectly clean, easy to handle. Coffee is served twice a day -- at breakfast and at "tea" -- and it's perfectly acceptable coffee for a hotel. If you want better coffee you will have to leave the hotel, and if you leave the hotel you will go to jail, and the coffee in jail is probably much worse!
There were a few soft drinks in the mini-fridge, I'm not sure if these are included in the price but they're not so much my thing anyway. I did drink a Coke last night to celebrate my impending Relaxation (see below) so I should be able to report on that when I check out.
I am staying properly hydrated and thus ran out of bottled water around Day Five; it was replaced in about five minutes when I asked. The front desk staff has been very friendly and helpful, if you had any special requests I'm sure they would do their best to accommodate you.
The folks who bring your meals are also very friendly. You don't really interact with them but a "Sawatdee Khrap" from down the hall actually means a lot when you aren't seeing humans for several days in a row.
TESTING
The first PCR test was on Day Five (remember, arrival is Day Zero). It was super efficient! I had sort of hoped I'd have to mill around a bit in the parking garage, since it was my first fresh air since checking in, but no such luck: the whole thing, from room to parking structure to sample taken and back to room took five minutes.
The next day around lunchtime the nurse called to tell me the result was negative. Of course I expected it to be negative, after all I'd had the same test done twice in Germany before leaving. But it would have been possible to pick the virus up in transit, and asymptomatic infection is a thing, and on my previous post someone linked to a scary tale of a grumpy person sent to the hospital after getting what he thought was a false positive – so I was mentally prepared for anything, and was quite happy to get the "negative."
Armed with my povisional non-leper status, I asked the front desk when I could go outside. The answer was: tomorrow. And you have to book three days at a time.
Having cleared this hurdle, I am now focused on the next one, which I think is on Day 12 or so. It doesn't give you any new privileges, but it is a very important marker towards your freedom: if despite all probability you were to somehow turn up positive on that second test, you'd be packed off to the partner hospital for however long. In the worst case that I can think of, i.e. if you actually had symptoms, you could easily have your entire Visa Exempt trip to Thailand consist of quarantine and hospital. That's a bit far-fetched but not impossible, and I would expect if that actually happened to anyone they would probably never return to the Kingdom, which can't really be in anyone's interest.
Of course that's diminishingly unlikely: I tested negative, I'm not interacting with any humans, I will presumably test negative next time as well. But I'm not going to put my money down for March accommodation before I have the result in hand.
RELAXATION
From my room I can see a lower, cheaper, less awesome hotel nearby. I can see the people outside for their "relaxation." And I hate to say it, but they have it better than I do in the exercise department.
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inmatesguests can power-walk laps around the pool. As I write this, a woman is doing just that, in long pants and long sleeves and a hat (I guess she must be Asian) – for pretty much her full hour. And there is another part where I have seen people actually running, though right at the moment it has some tables set up to maybe block the track. I have seen people power-walking there too. So they can easily give two (or more!) people pretty good exercise in the fresh air.In my Pool Area for Relaxation, you can't do a lap around the pool because it abuts the edge of the building. There are two zones: shady with chairs, and sunny with loungers. You can do some walking in very tight laps around the loungers on the sunny side, and when I was brought down there was a tall shirtless older Farang in Birkenstocks doing just that.
Thus I was sent to the other side. On the one hand, that's fine: I'm more of a chair person anyway, never did like loungers, and my Viking skin prefers the shade. But it was also a bit of a disappointment that I had nowhere to walk around, since Mr Birkenstock had occupied it. He must be staying on a lower floor.
For the whole hour there were only the two of us and one staff member. We formed a triangle with about six meters on each side, but still we all wore masks, at least mostly. If you're reading this, Birkenstock, I saw you take that off to breathe while you were tanning!
The hour went very quickly, and was massively refreshing after a week of lockup. For what they have to work with, I think the Pullman G is doing a fine job, obviously prioritizing safety over exercise but short of opening the gym there's not much more they can do. I was surprised by how small the pool area is, but there were only the two guests.
In summary, there are tradeoffs for any hotel, and I'm pretty happy with the deal I got, but if you are strongly attached to your outdoor exercise you should consider that factor in your hotel choice. I admit I'm pretty jealeous as I watch Ms Powerwalk 2021 down there, but I'll get over it, and for the other 23 hours I have an amazing view.
Oh, and the instructions were to wear hotel slippers, so I was a bit miffed when I saw Mr Birkenstock had gotten away with his Birkenstocks. Then I looked down at my fluffy white footwear and remembered that Birkenstocks have never, in the entire history of the world, ever gotten anyone laid.
INFOTAINMENTI have not used the TV. I thought the DVD player (!) might have an HDMI cable I could use to hook up my computer, but to my surprise and delight it has RCA connectors.
I really don't care, I've got plenty to do and watch on my laptop and my iPad. But if you like to watch things on the big screen, and you have your own device from which to source content, be sure to ask for an HDMI cable up front.
Once you're in the room I don't think they can easily mess around with the TV, because you are a plague risk; and I don't see any obvious cable hookups on the outside, I think they're on the back.
Internet speed has been fine. The first few days there was no login interstitial at all, it was just a standard open network. Then they must have kicked the switch or something, and the world-standard hotel-style login and upsell thing showed up. I have chosen "free" every time, and have no complaints. Reconnecting after waking up the laptop can be a little quirky but if you have hotel wifi experience in general you should do just fine.
MENTAL & PHYSICAL HEALTHQuarantine is a bit different than I expected. My previous quarantine experience was in Germany, where enforcement is nonexistent so it's not a big deal to sneak out for a walk and so on; also, I was in apartments before, not in a luxury hotel.
I thought I would be wigging out and getting depressed and need things to keep me busy. So I arrived with a nice big list of things to work on, and some vague exercise goals, and a big idea to start doing an online language course.
Seven days in, I haven't been particularly bored and I also haven't been productive at all. Nor have I been depressed, nor antsy: I find that most of the time, my only real desire is to keep myself occupied until the day ends and I can tick it off my mental calendar, counting down towards Freedom Day.
(And, oh the irony! It turns out that Freedom Day for me falls on a Buddhist Holiday with a Booze Ban, namely Friday the 26th. So much for celebrating with a bottle of
SangSomCristal!)I've made a little art but not much; done a little writing but not much; taken some photographs but not edited them; read a book but not that much of it; and spent one whole day designing then undesigning a web site. I've spent a whole lot of time on Google Maps. If you have a job and will be doing it from the hotel, well bully for you, none of this applies, and I can say the desk is spacious, the aircon consistent, you will be the star of your Zoom meetings.
I still have some hope of pulling myself together and getting some things done in my remaining time. I also won't be shocked if I do nothing more than reading, writing and YouTube until the 26th.
The food schedule is an interesting thing. Breakfast is served around 7am, which you might find early; dinner is around 7pm, which you might find early too; lunch is at noon and "tea" (snack) at 4. The day is thus broken out into fairly predictable sections, which can help you organize your day, or at least give you near-term goals for killing time.
I have not been great about doing my phone and video calls with friends out in the World. Partly that's down to time zones, and partly just the laziness of introverted time-wasting. This is something worth taking seriously: if you're not interacting with real live humans, it's a very good idea to interact with probably genuine humans over video, lest you wake up on Freedom Day asking yourself: what is the Matrix?
The physical aspects have not been any real challenge for me, and I do have the ability to exercise a little in the room if I want. The mental side has turned out to be less a challenge than a transitional state of mind. But I have, on occasion, marveled at the absurdity of it all. It's a bit like voluntarily committing yourself to Bedlam: you'll probably get out, but it's not guaranteed, and until then you've lost your freedom. In many places, cheating on quarantine would mean you might face a fine if you get caught, and you might just not get caught. Here, as nice as everyone is, I have no doubt they'd lock me up in the State Home for Wayward Farangs and sell me a one-way ticket back to Falangia if I tried to sneak out to Sewen. And this, of course, is what I signed up for.
For what it's worth: if you are they type who can stay inside for a few days at a time and busy yourself with whatever random stuff without going nuts; if you are the type who might spend a whole day in the hotel anyway when you go on vacation; and above all if you are any type of Nerd, then you should do fine with pretty much any version of quarantine. Shop around, compare your options. I'm quite happy with stupendous view and excellent food this time around. Next time I might try something different, like a balcony or if I can afford it by then even Golf! (Can you learn to play golf in golf quarantine? Do they have mini-golf quarantine? What exactly is a caddy?)
Unfortunately I do think there will be a next time, by which I mean I doubt the Powers that Be will have improved much on this system before I come back around in September. I have a distant hope for Beach Quarantine but I'm an optimist.
So that's my rambling report, here at the Pullman G on Si Lom, halfway through Day Seven.
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I had considered the same route. My impression from the official company was it’d be a stretch, probably could work but might cut it uncomfortably close considering the quarantine requirement if you have to leave and re-enter.
However an agent told me that they can get it done faster. The implication being that if someone outside the official company is getting a cut, that person is motivated to do whatever follow up makes it go faster. I have no idea if it’s true but it seems plausible and you might want to contact a couple agents.
I ended up choosing another route for now as I’m 50. Good luck with it!
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AFAIK there is no beach quarantine yet, but there is golf quarantine! As of January.
It looks like right now they all want you to pre-pay, which presents obvious risks in case you can't make your flight. But so do some of the Bangkok places, especially ones with outdoor access.
Even as a non-golfer, I would seriously consider the golf quarantine, because it would make a massive difference to be able to walk around outside for half the day starting with Day Two.
https://thaiest.com/blog/thailand-golf-quarantine-list
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I looked into this in January as I was considering doing an O/A from California.
AFAICT they wanted something at the state level; this could usually be done at your local Sheriff’s if you have one; and that was officially blocked for nonessential purposes because of the lockdown. Fingerprints needed to be taken.
Since most of CA is reopening now, it’s probably easy to get, just time consuming. Your state may differ.
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On 2/13/2021 at 10:33 PM, Letseng said:
May I ask for how long you had to buy insurance cover for visa exempt?
The COE requirement is that it cover your entire stay. As that is ambiguous, and anyway I want to have COVID insurance, I bought a six month policy. Note that your normal Austrian insurance will almost certainly not pay for COVID if you are traveling against official advice.On 2/13/2021 at 10:33 PM, Letseng said:Was this only travel/Covid19 insurance or general medical insurance in/outpatient?
It’s general accident / illness plus COVID so it’s not “health insurance” but it’s comparable to Nomads or whatever. Seemed like an ok deal but you can shop around, easy to find these online. Standard exemptions apply: pre-existing conditions, falling off TukTuk while on yabba, etc.
Your other questions are answered above. Also there was a couple, I think maybe Germans, who did a YouTube review of this ASQ hotel in a big suite, you should look it up.
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On 2/13/2021 at 8:20 PM, treetops said:
On the BER DOH flight, a mask requirement was announced, but in Business it seemed loosely enforced. No exception for Business was announced, nor did I see anyone totally not wearing any mask, I just saw Germans wearing them German style, same as I did back in Canary Islands in December.I don’t remember what guidance if any was given for DOH BKK.
Interesting policy link, thanks.
edit: maybe policy changed after global second wave?
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20 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:
If anybody wants to know what could possibly go wrong have a look at this one. Enjoy!
A Story About When ASQ Goes Wrong – Stickboy Bangkok (stickboybkk.com)
Haha that was a pretty good rant, though it didn't make me overwhelmingly sympathetic to his plight. I'll save Part Two for after my day-five PCR test just in case.
Good to know Stickman had a son! ????
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1 hour ago, Nanaplaza666 said:
best burgers and shakes in town by the way in my opinion .
Thanks for the tip! I have been thinking I should try the room service once or twice and cancel the standard lunch or dinner. The food is good and plentiful but I am curious what else the restaurant is capable of packing into a single-use plastic container. Not at all averse to paying for the experience.
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2 hours ago, 10years said:
Was your Qatar ticket one-way?
My Qatar ticket is round-trip, returning on the date I hope to / must return if everything goes as planned with the visa.
2 hours ago, 10years said:Is your Singapore flight also one-way?
Yes.
2 hours ago, 10years said:Was the Singapore flight required to get the COE?
I read in another thread on this forum that someone had to book a flight like that last-minute in order to board another Qatar flight; and that fits with what I had generally heard about Visa Exempt entry pre-Covid. No idea if it's actually required, but I made a point of marking it as such in 18-point red Helvetica Bold and uploading it to the Embassy and having it printed out for the Qatar folks. Cost 50 EUR which isn't even a rounding error in the overall cost of this project. I booked it for 42 or 43 days after my entry because IIRC local counting of days allowed includes the day you arrive and the day you depart.
2 hours ago, 10years said:Do you actually intend to use the Singapore ticket?
No. If I can't leave when I want to leave, I will change my Qatar ticket. I was super double happy with the service on Qatar.
2 hours ago, 10years said:How was check-in like at the hotel? Were the staff all decked out in hazmat gear? Did they ask where you’ll be staying after ASQ?
Nobody's in hazmat, also not at the airport. Everybody who interacts with people has a sort of paper covering for their clothes; in some cases a proper surgical outfit. Almost everyone at the airport and hotel just has the standard blue surgical masks. Check-in was fine, took place in the parking garage, the staff member spoke perfect English, I was checking in right after lunch and I think he would have offered me something but I wasn't hungry. You have to put your shoes in a bag and wear the slippers they give you, but then they give you the bag-o-shoes in your room. Porter took the luggage up, nobody drenched it in disinfectant (nor me!) and I felt very well treated in the circumstances.
Hotel asked about post-ASQ before I flew. At BKK I was asked twice; they definitely want that info. If I had known they'd be that interested I'd have booked a longer stay somewhere and possibly canceled it, I was sort of half expecting someone to take issue with my only having bothered to book 3 days after ASQ. Obviously I'll not be staying on the street, but I figured 16 days gives me plenty of time on Booking dot com.
2 hours ago, 10years said:Did you ask the front desk for a USB adapter?
No, I had one anyway, and I had enough cables for charging. Front desk has been very nice, I'm sure they would help me get one if I needed it.
2 hours ago, 10years said:How’s the Wi-Fi/Internet?
Excellent so far, I've had a couple video calls and no issues. Mostly just surfing and watching YouTube though.
2 hours ago, 10years said:Could you please ask someone...
I'm not that bored. Just send them an e-mail, they'll answer you. I'm not a member so I didn't ask.
2 hours ago, 10years said:free room upgrade?
There were two room types available when I booked: updated, white, lower floor; and not-updated, brown, upper floor. I would have chosen brown/upper even if it were more expensive.
2 hours ago, 10years said:Can nights there be counted as rewards nights?
No idea, this is my first Accor experience. Again, email them: I never waited longer than a day for an answer from the staff here.
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8 hours ago, zzzzz said:
how busy/full was the flight?
any Thais on it?Business was more full than I had expected, probably 3/4 on both legs but you feel it more in the seats than in the Q-Suites which are very private. Mostly Germans, some of them of the... um... stereotypical German-goes-to-Thailand look, let's say. Germans like to wear their masks nose-free so that was annoying but hey, welcome to Covid-Era Travel, you have to just grin and bear that stuff if the crew isn't enforcing. I'm sure Elon Musk would use more entertaining language but I have lots of German friends, not gonna be mean today. ????
I did not pay attention to Coach but based on the number of people waiting for each flight I'd say maybe 1/4 full, whereas Business was more like 3/4 full.
Yes, there were a few Thais, but very few, spouses AFAICT. On DOH BKK the cabin crew was mostly Thai ladies.
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1 hour ago, natway09 said:
No bum washer at a Sheraton ? Are you sure ?
I will know the bum-status of Sheraton on the 26th. Here at the Pullman, no bum gun, however I would not say no bum washer as the shower has excellent water pressure.
1 hour ago, natway09 said:Must be the only hotel room in Bangkok without
My previous experience in Bangkok was at the Eastin, which was very nice indeed, and also had no bum gun. It has occurred to me that they might have bum guns for Thais and five-square-meter toilet bowls for Falang, and maybe you can ask for one or the other, but I'm new here, still not sure which way to point that thing.
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12 hours ago, user70 said:
Can you apply for the regular or special tourist visa after the ASQ while still in Thailand?
What BritTim said matches 100% what I have heard from various sources here, and also what an Agent told me.
12 hours ago, user70 said:Could you purchase a SIM card in Thailand (eg at airport, on the way to ASQ, or at ASQ)?
I believe there was not, at the airport. I certainly didn't notice any, and they were definitely herding us from Stamp to Luggage to Handlers to Cars. I also don't think ATM or exchange is a possibility, but maybe someone tried and knows more.
12 hours ago, user70 said:Lastly how did you organize your transfer from the airport to the ASQ?
This is included in every ASQ package. I have read reports that sometimes they take two people at a time, in a van or whatever. The Pullman took me by myself in a very sweet BMW.
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1 hour ago, EdrigoSalvadore said:
Thanks for the story.
What about the smart phone APP? Do you really need to install it on your phone?
I did install the ThailandPlus app, which is the one used for contact tracing. The Embassy required it in writing and it's tied to your COE number; however nobody has physically checked whether I have it. They do know, or at least they are able to know, since I'm registered, but I strongly suspect nobody at immigration was paying any attention to that.
It is very grabby about location-tracking permissions, at least on iPhone, which does make technical sense: how can you trace contacts if you don't know where people are? I'm new here, so I don't want to do anything that might annoy a random immigration officer in the next couple months. I doubt the Thai government will do anything more nefarious with my data than Google is already doing. I also doubt the app is sophisticated enough to flag me as a slacker if I don't always have it enabled. Then of course there is the orthogonal question of how useful contact tracing can possibly be if only COE holders are using it... but let's interpret that generously and assume we're all going to attend some big potato festival as soon as we're freed.
If you mean the COSTE health-monitoring app, I would recommend not registering before you get to your hotel. The hotel may have also registered you, and this can lead to problems with the app. By all means download it, but wait for guidance from the ASQ hotel before registering.
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1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:
Excellent effort OP.
So comprehensive. Keep us updated.
Bars are shut in bkk so your updates useful to others commencing your journey
Thanks, just trying to return the karma as I've gotten a lot of useful info here.
I am hoping that bars will reopen by the time I am released, or at least restaurants might be allowed to serve, or that hotel bars are not "bars" and will have whatever secret permission they use to serve drinks mid-afternoon.
I'm no old Thailand hand but I wouldn't mind sitting in Jack's "Restaurant" and watching the catfish for a few hours come March.
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Greetings from Quarantine! I'm only on the tail end of Day One but thought my experience of getting in etc. might be useful to someone, so here goes.
I'm a US citizen and live in Germany; I flew from Berlin, so YMMV for any other situation.
PREPARATION
I decided to enter Visa Exempt because it was a lot faster than getting a visa. Hopefully getting a real visa after ASQ will not be a hassle.
The "Fit to Fly" was a bit funny because it wasn't at all clear what the "correct" form is, and anyway the thing itself is utterly meaningless, as you will certainly be told if you get one from a German doctor. The form on the Thai Airways site is basically identical to the form the Thai Embassy in Washington tells you is NOT acceptable. Fortunately I caught that and was lucky enough to find a doctor who could set me up in Berlin. As backup I had the one from Dr Donna (which I did after getting my PCR results, see below) and another from a doctor friend elsewhere.
The PCRs worked out fine but it was a bit stressful waiting for the results. In Berlin now there are lots of "test centers" but they just take samples for PCR; they all promise "next day results" but that actually means the end of the next day. So be sure to give it plenty of time! I took two, using different labs, in case one didn't come back in time. And indeed, one lab was definitely sketchier than the other: I gave the sample at 10am and they took it to the lab at 10am the next day. The other place got it to the lab within half an hour. Both results came back 6pm the day before my flight: time to spare, but not so much that I wasn't a bit nervous.
The COE was a breeze by comparison: I bought my insurance (the AXA one, covers asymptomatic as well as general accident/illness) and registered on a Sunday; they processed it before noon Monday. Getting the flight and ASQ set up took a couple days but that was mostly down to my own indecision. I also booked a flight out within my 45-day window, to Singapore, and uploaded it to the website with a clear indication of what it was. The Embassy processed this again in under four hours and I had my COE, just needed my PCR and Fit to Fly.
I printed three copies of (almost) everything and went to the airport, arriving three hours before departure, which turned out to be about right in order to avoid a line.
FLIGHT
I flew Qatar Airways, BER DOH BKK, in Business. You can look up whatever info you like about the service on YouTube, but I will just comment that the Q-Suites product is way better than British First, and that they kept my glass full enough on the way to DOH that I had to sleep it off on the way to BKK.
Check-in was slow but efficient. A manager checked all my documents and made copies of some. I also had to fill out a Qatar Airlines form which I wish they'd e-mailed me, but it only took a couple minutes.
Berlin Brandenburg airport is a total clusterf*** and every time I go there I really miss TXL. The (shared) lounge at the far end of the airport was open, and had nice views, but was subject to rules only a German could think up: they had food and drink but you couldn't consume it in the lounge, you had to take it out into the hallway to eat and drink, then come back in. And no alcohol. However, take note! Right before the stairs up to the passport control there is a lovely little shop selling sandwiches, snacks, good beer, decent wine and even cocktails in cans. For totally reasonable prices. So I did manage to have a couple before boarding: in the vast seating area near the gate, where incidentally most of the airport staff seemed to be hanging out.
Transit in Doha was pretty mellow. Lounge was open but I gather it's the less-nice lounge; I hadn't been in DOH in many years so I don't exactly remember. Everybody was professional and document check for boarding the next leg was very quick, this time done by Thais. I mostly slept on the way to Bangkok but did remember to use the lavatory shortly before landing. I'm not sure I actually saw a lav in the airport.
IMMIGRATIONWe were herded into a seating area for most of the wait, and only had to move seats once. We got our ASQ hotel numbers to pin on our shirts. Documents were checked again, once minimally and once more thoroughly. Here it turned out you needed to have your boarding pass so they could check your seat number, presumably for contact tracing. Fortunately I still had mine; I usually don't pay much attention to it after boarding.
Then we were led to another document check right before the actual immigration window. There a lady asked where I will stay after my 14 days quarantine (nobody seems to have gotten the memo that it's 16 days) and of course that was the one thing I'd forgotten to print. She accepted my email reservation and had me write that hotel's name down on the entry form. As I did not have a Thai phone number she had me write my email.
The immigration officer took his time, and seemed slightly annoyed that I had put my ASQ hotel down as my address in Thailand, because, just as nobody told me, they obviously want the *next* one. He also checked my reservation on my phone and then had to type in Sheraton which he did slowly, but with a smile. In fairness he was probably trying to impress the younger, female immigration officer standing beside him. As I would have done!
A handler with perfect English met me at the airport and passed me on to a driver; I was the only passenger in a late-model BMW, it was a nice ride in to Si Lom.
We landed around 12:40 and I was checked in to my room by 14:30.
HOTEL
I am doing ASQ in the Pullman G. I chose it based on reviews praising the food and the view. So far I can absolutely corroborate that: food has been great, views are stunning, I can see a stretch of the river and a chunk of IconSiam and one of the expressways and a lot of standard-issue CBD stuff. And just now some fireworks for Chinese New Year. Also, the deposit was only 5000 THB, which gave me a little more peace of mind while waiting for my PCR test results.
I got a yoga mat delivered within a few minutes when I asked and it's a nice thick one. Bathroom is very nice, with a tub and great water pressure in the separate shower. American-sized toilet, for XXL Americans, no bum gun. I opted for the older room on a higher floor for slightly cheaper (60K vs 65K) -- if you are sensitive to that kind of thing, the all-white updated rooms are probably spiffier but I probably have the better view. There were no USB sockets, but I brought my own adapters so no problem.
Plates and silverware are provided, as are a sponge and detergent to wash them. All food is served in plastic containers; so far I've been eating out of them too but maybe I'll get fancy and bust out the plate tomorrow. Tea kettle is provided and they serve coffee twice a day if you like, or tea. I am a tea snob so I brought my own.
There was no crazy control or disinfection of my personal effects or anything like that. People were friendly and helpful and spoke very good English. I have chosen to do a much needed 16-day alcohol-free liver cleanse; you can't order alcohol, but there is room service for other things. They give you more than enough to eat, so I haven't even checked the menu yet. They even give you kangaroo butter twice a day, in case you are Australian!
I chose all my meals before check-in but if you want to do it as you go they'd probably let you. Front desk is very responsive on the LINE app. There are vegetarian options for everything but (I think) the tea set, but as I'm not a veg I didn't ask if they could do it meatless. In any case only the savory stuff would have meat.
There do seem to be other people around: I can hear a family with a kid in probably the next room, and there are quite a few tables out on this floor.
While I would definitely recommend the Pullman, especially if food quality and view matter, I should also note that I recently saw there are Golf LSQ's. With, you know, golf. Outdoors. Pretty expensive but I would consider that for next time. Who knows what kinds of deals you can make out on the green!
All in all, I'm satisfied with the experience and I look forward to emerging, blinking, into the pollution and chaos and LIFE once the DT's wear off. (Just kidding!)
It's obviously a big hurdle and expense but coming off the sh**-show that is Europe right now, I think I made the right choice. I'll try to post again to summarize at the end, if I don't lose my mind by the 26th.
TAKE-AWAYS
- The Embassy wants us to come, and is working faster than I ever would have expected from any embassy.
- Allow sufficient time for your PCR tests, do not assume 24h turnaround.
- Fit To Fly might be tricky, I recommed Dr Donna as at least a fallback option. Apparently it's more normal in the US and UK. Link: https://www.medconsultasia.com
- Have everything printed out before you fly.
- Don't forget post-ASQ address with whatever will document it; that is your "address" in Thailand even if it's only for a few days.
- Keep your boarding pass!
- BYO USB charger just in case.
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ASQ Update -- Freedom Day (Pullman Bangkok)
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for what it’s worth I’m somewhat digestively challenged and the Pullman food very much agreed with me.
room was cleaned on days 7, 10 and 13.