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The point was to put into perspective the risk of death by age range and by extension of that, from what basis are those with lower risk profiles are they being subjected to vaccination whilst not even testing for natural immunity from prior infection?

Yes I read it. Natural immunity from prior infection is longer lasting and more wide ranging than a double jab. Why not redirect those vaccines to those in greater need of them?

Statistics will help you put this into perspective. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-89615-4

This is not actually true according to this paper. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1

I don't think he failed to note anything since he posted a citation to the full paper.

Statistically speaking, the kid is talking the truth. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-89615-4

"US researchers say teenagers are more likely to get vaccine-related myocarditis than end up in hospital with Covid." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

There are no internet experts I can see posting anything but citations from the types of experts you reference in your post.

Vaccinated people contracting covid have similar viral loads to unvaccinated (with the Delta variant). This was previously the correlation used to guage transmissibility. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1 I am not anti vax. It's just not the first thing I reach for when seeking solutions.

And so in this context, why do you think that there has not been any vigorous effort to test for antibodies derived from previous infection?

That is still no basis for vaccination of that age group since the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. Severe illness in those age groups are very uncommon. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-89615-4

And how is this research without any merit. Educate me.

You don't have any obligation to answer. But since this is a public forum and you're taking part in discussion, I thought I might ask. Do you know of any other mRNA vaccine in widespread use or not?

There is increasing evidence that natural immunity post infection is indeed longer lasting than vaccine induced immunity. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210830/Does-SARS-CoV-2-natural-infection-immunity-better-protect-against-the-Delta-variant-than-vaccination.aspx

Your response to that poster was one of belittlement. You didn't answer the question. Please can you share with me other usecases of mRNA technology that are in widespread use?

If the risk profile of the individual is statistically highly unlikely to result in severe illness and they wished to get it over with, I see no problem with any person going around licking door handles if they so wished as long as they went home afterwards and didn't infect anybody else.

How does this small fraction of infections measure up to the Israel numbers whilst having high vaccine uptake? When will people realise that we can't just keep vaccinating our way out of pandemics?

Many younger people are suffering long term medical problems due to an whole host of life choices. Statistically speaking, the vast majority of healthy people have no problems in dealing with this virus. It's ridiculous that people can't see this from a more holistic perspective in the midst of reaching for that "quick fix" of a jab and then doing nothing or having no conversation on proactive behavioural changes that would prevent many more deaths.

Given your extensive knowledge on this subject, please can you share with us prior use of this technology in widespread use? In addition, please can you tell me what purpose phase 3 clinical trials are meant to serve?

There you go again in your drive for simplification through pigeon holing. It's one or the other only? I think there is broad medical consensus that having a strong immune system helps the body fight, well.. Everything. Have you got any evidence to the contrary before you reach for that shringe?

Excellent post. And interestingly, they were pulled due to much lower adverse effects than we are seeing reported with the vaccine (so far). Currently 14,500+ in the USA. https://openvaers.com/covid-data Website operated by the CDC/FDA.

The current statistics would not concur. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ Although sadly, every life lost is tragic.

I think you would agree that where there is a will there's lots of evidence that you can get people to change their behaviour. This pandemic has shown us that. The question is, why has there been so little effort? And it's not just people of colour that suffer from vitamin d deficiency resulting in higher death rates from covid. Here is a good piece on it from the first wave in Europe. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201027092216.htm

Read what I said in my previous post. It was already clear enough. The best way of not dieing from covid is to have a strong immune system. The best way to avoid the zoonotic mutations resulting in possible pandemics like covid is to change our behaviour.

Like a vaccine normally does? - years to develop. It's surprising what can be achieved when there is the will to do so isn't it? It wouldn't take long at all to ensure that the populations aren't deficient in vitamin d. Especially in light of lockdown. Why not? https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n544/rr-5 Why the sudden fascination about reaching for the shringe to fix what is a byproduct of what's wrong on a more holistic sense. I feel it all depends on where the priorities and incentives are on what action is taken.