Kallemann

you are young, you have no kids, or house/appartment togehter.

just break up, it is so much easier to break up when you are just a BF and GF without children, owing house etc together.

BREAK UP!! and start live youre life, as a 23 yr should live!

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hi.
I have another question, is it possible to get LIME in thailand? 

And what is LIME called in thai?

Hi.

I have got in contact with a man in nakhon ratchasima, and he is working for CLAAS, and he also import many equipment from europe. he is educated in the US, so he speaks very good english. He  seems to be a good and friendly person.

he knows alot about forage harvesters.

send me a message if you want to get in contact with him. 

i promised you to update this thread.
Nothing has happened about this project, because of COVID, and i still stuck in norway.
i want to try to grow grass on 2-3 rai, just for seeing how grass will grow.

but i want to be there before put seeds in ground, because i want to make sure water will be drained well in this area we thinking to plant grass.

so hopefully in november i can be there, plant mung beens, and plow these in before put seeds for grass februar/mars 2022.

2 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

Before you even think about buying seeds, you have to understand if your land floods in the rainy season or not?

 

Have you ever stayed in Thailand in the monsoon season?

 

 

Yes. 

It does not flood where i think to plant grass. And now there are some barriers on those field, and i will remove them too, just for make sure it will drain.

6 hours ago, Michael Hare said:

If you are going to plant Mulato II and Ubon stylo after rice harvest in November then you need to consider the following:

 

1 Will the rice land flood every year from July to September-October? If it does, the Mulato II and Ubon stylo will die. if this land is the only land available, then you will either have to raise the land up or find out a way to drain the land.

 

2 Planting in November will mean you have to water the fields constantly until the next wet season in May. Will you have a supply of six months water?

 

3 Planting in November means the young seedlings will be growing in the cool season. At this time, even with a constant supply of water, growth will be very slow.

 

4 Where will you buy the seed from? My company, Ubon Forage Seeds, is the only producer of these seeds in Thailand (and Asia). Either you will buy from me or through a middleman. By November, we will be sold out of Ubon Stylo seed, but there will be still Mulato II seed in stock. New season Ubon stylo will come in March next year. 

 

5 if I was you, I would plan and prepare the areas to be planted in pasture over the dry season and then sow the seeds in May next year. 

 

Lots to think about. Don't rush in. By the way, I named this stylo Ubon stylo about 25 years ago. Someone above mentioned buffalo grass. It does not grow in Thailand. 

Ok. Thanks for good advices. 

I see @kickstart advice to make mung beans for getting soil better. I think thats a good idea too.

But what species grass, will be the best to plant for me? 

I think will buy seeds from you, because u know my intention about this, and we can speak together in english, so i think if u are my dealer, i will be a good option for me.

8 hours ago, kickstart said:

The op has 3 cows ?, first off ,what breed are they ,if they have long ears ,get rid of them ,they are Indo Brazil X's ,and take a lot of looking after ,the almost need feeding like dairy cows, a good ration, not rice straw and cut hedge bottom cut grass , and they will never get fat ,look for some Thai Native X Brahman ,good cows ,grow well and any beef breed they are put to will also grow well .

When did they calve they last calf , or are they already in calf,  if they calved  more than 10-12 months ago, and are not in calf , chances of getting them back in calf is slim, I would sell them and buy in a few heifers ,and start again, word on the street is beef cattle prices are going up, so make your mind up soon.   

I can not find any information abourt Thai Native X Brahman. I look everywhere on internet... can they have a different name?

1 hour ago, kickstart said:

The op has 3 cows ?, first off ,what breed are they ,if they have long ears ,get rid of them ,they are Indo Brazil X's ,and take a lot of looking after ,the almost need feeding like dairy cows, a good ration, not rice straw and cut hedge bottom cut grass , and they will never get fat ,look for some Thai Native X Brahman ,good cows ,grow well and any beef breed they are put to will also grow well .

When did they calve they last calf , or are they already in calf,  if they calved  more than 10-12 months ago, and are not in calf , chances of getting them back in calf is slim, I would sell them and buy in a few heifers ,and start again, word on the street is beef cattle prices are going up, so make your mind up soon.   

i am not sure what breed they are. my guess, they are the most cheap or common to get there..

what you say about selling them and buy new heifers, sounds like an good idea. but as i said in last post, i can not plant real grass until rice is harvested.

hopefully i can put seed in november, and what i read, is most seed need about aprox 3 months before can start grazing them.

i think 1/3 of ubon stylo, and 2/3 of mulato II grass..?

2 hours ago, mikemi said:

I think this all depends on how serious you want to be, and how much money you are going to invest.

 

More like a hobby, small money, then it doesnt matter. I know a guy in Buriram, his family make a bit of money on the side with cows. Buy 2 or 3 cows, keep them for a month or a few months, then sell them on sightly fatter, for a bit of profit. Its a small operation, and easy life.

 

If you want to make a big operation, first step I would be getting that land in my wife's name, as well as finding out what kind of title deed they have. Depending on how much money you plan to put, I would want all or part of the land in the wife's name.

 

If the land is not held in a decent title chanote/nor sor 3, or whatever, then I wouldnt get involved, unless its for a hobby.

 

You dont want to be in a situation where a problem arises in the future, and you are stuck with no way out, and with a ton of money in land in someone else's name.

 

You have 3 cows there already, why dont you start with those, fatten them up and sell them for a profit. Then buy more, get 5 cows, then next time 10. something like that. If time is on your side then start small.

 

 

 

 

At first this will be like a hobby, for me, but inlaws already do this for living, so for them it will be more than hobby. i will just try to make it more easy for them to do, what they already do. and if we see it makes profit, then we can make more and more out of it. so maybe in 5 or 10 yrs, it is more than a hobby. who knows?
 

i already talk to wife about put her name on the land, and she thinks thats a good idea too. (offcourse ???? ) 

i am a little bit stuck now, for two reason,

stuck in norway, because covid19.

and stuck in that way i have to wait rice finnish ( November?) before i can start make grass on the field.

i think if i tell them to plow now, while rice growing, they will not belive anything more i tell them to do.

I am too busy to answer now, but where to buy cattle in thai? Mostly on auction?

I will answer more later when i not busy.

51 minutes ago, IsaanAussie said:

You need to rethink this statement and other "my Way Or the Highway" comments. How will you finish it? Stop supplying funding? So what? They will continue to farm as Thai farmers always have, they will use what they have. 

It would not stop (if they like doing it) it will continue under "new" management. 

It is not my way or the highway.

I just say like that here on forum so you guys understand i will be strict about how thing is done...

I have very good dialog with my inlaws, and we speak softly. 

8 minutes ago, Silent Number said:

As a rule 1 head of Cattle to every 2 rai if you cultivate pasture and rotate paddocks maybe more under good conditions but best to not overstock in case of dry weather so under that scale and conditions 8 head good cultivation.

thank you ???? 

1 minute ago, Silent Number said:

Eggsactly forget the negative feedback give it a go without spending more you can afford to lose fence  the 17 rai into maybe 3 paddocks and shift your cattle from one to another before it’s all eaten out .....Try buffalo grass it’s hardy likes heat and is fairly drought resistant not everyone gets done by a scheming Thai lady there are good ones, yours may be one. Take the risk you only live once. Good luck.

thanks.

i really not think my wife and inlaws are scheming people.

buffalo grass, i will read more about that.

you have any experience of mulato II grass?

i read that 2/3 mulato II and 1/3 Ubon Stylo will be a good mix.

how much cattle can have on 17Rai, if have luck with growing buffalo grass?

thank you.

i know many old people here in norway, is afraid of changes, because they done it "this way for all the time". but when they see the changes to more modern, effective +++ they agree the new and modern way actually is good. but offcourse, some of the old guys are stubbern and will not confess they like the new way...

we will see what i find out about this, at least i have many thinking and considering to do know....

and about my wife, i will always tell her and be open, and discuss what i am thinking, and why i am thinking how to do things at farm, and the intension about this project, so hopefully she will be on my side if things go south.

but blood is thicker than water...

i am sorry to hear that, king.

what "chanote" meens? i can not translate that. my english not too much good.

i will be thinking and concerning all the critical thoughts i have , and advice i get here before start doing anything.

i hope my dream i do-able, but i need to rely on my inlaws while i`m in Norway, and they drifting the farm.

so yes, have to be critical.

i will keep update how it will work out, if i go with the plan.

@kingofthemountain funny man, huh?

3 minutes ago, Grumpy one said:

Just give the in laws an ATM card that has access to all your money, no need to worry about raising cattle

Stay in Norway and be happy 

Hi GRUMPY one.
they are really not interested in my money...

2 minutes ago, farang51 said:

Besides all the practical stuff others have warned you about:

 

How much time do you spend in Thailand a year?

Are your inlaws open to new ideas and new ways of doing things?

 

I know nothing about farming or farmers but as I understand, Thais can be very stubborn when it comes to new ideas, especially farmers that have done things their way for generations. If you are not there all the time to "tell them what and how to do", you may find they do it their way when you are in Norway. So, next time you come to Thailand, you may see 20 thin cows instead of 4 thin cows.

when not COVID19, normaly i in thai 4-6 month a year.

well, last time when i was there, we talk and discussed this project over 3 weeks. i told them  clearly, that they have to do as i say, but they can offcourse come with input, and i will listen and we resonable discus if they not agree with my way to do this.

we have agreement of that everything shall be nice and clean, or else i will finnish the project.

and i know they will be happy if they can do better quality, less work, and easier maintenance. so yes, i think they will do their best for do this right. 

2 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Baled rice straw, and hand feed is used to supplement, in the dry season. We want to improve the feed, quality but with an efficient cost effective method. At the moment supplying water to grow grass in the dry season appears a reasonable option. I am not too impressed with tall 'tough' grasses and am looking to have a more tender 'leafy' crop not sure how and what yet as a leafy crop will surely have high water demand

 

ok. do you put  cow manure on the field?

last night i read about different grass, and i find this "mulato II"

very interesting.  ----> https://www.tropseeds.com/varieties/

but it dont like flooding water. 

to improve the yield of grass field, i think to irrigate in dry season, and put manure before / during rain season will have good impact.

we will keep as many rai as possible to still make rice. thats why i asked how many rai should be turned into grass, if lets say, start with 5 bulls...?
later on, when gets more cattle, can buy more and more land, (in my WIFES name).

want to find balance for how many rai of grass, for how many bulls. and always try to make much as possibile with rice...

4 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Nothing wrong with your plan, you have many years of revenue earning ahead prior to your anticipated move to Thailand

Just ease into the process through time, spread the cost and treat as a hobby that may eventually bring in a little revenue but not really expected to repay the small initial outlay

Thing is to keep it simple, initially use cheap manual labour where possible rather than purchase expensive machinery

Look into the feed process, as you are, getting condition on the current cattle is important, because in the future if you are breeding, or fattening, you will need to introduce quality. You know already a person will spend the same time taking care of a low quality animal as a high quality animal, the returns on the quality cattle are usually better.

We don't grow grass as in the 'meadow land' of Europe to provide hay, rice straw, with hand feed and a type of grass my wife transplanted from the local pond is keeping our cattle going. cows currently take a hammering when feeding the calves and grass is in short supply in the dry season, so we have recently put in a bore and pump to irrigate. The final set up TBA

Non of our hobby farming has cost a great deal of money my wife and family enjoy doing the work we have just gradually over the years moved things forward no rush no great expense

I am thoroughly enjoying the experience coming from a farming background. Pleased to see my family enjoy caring for and improving to quality cattle. Lovely to see the top quality Charolais bull my son had chosen to use on his cow, because he wants a bull calf to sell this time, as last time had a heifer we will keep to breed off ???? can't blame him for wanting to see a little return

I love helping on the farm, keeps me active, great way to live in rural Thailand. Fits my view that life is not all about money.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for positive input. 

youre last sentence, i totally agree. it is not all about money...

i think we have little bit the same "vision" about this.

i would love to get more an more quality on the cattle, and i think when inlaws see the quality getting better and better, they will be happy too. and then we all will feel good. even the cattle ???? 

you say have little food for dry season, you dont have any food in stock for when dry season come?

35 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

Hi

i don't want to be pessimist and i understand your project

however you need to consider some things

 

first you will not be allowed to work on ''your'' farm in any way under the thai law

''Under Thai Law foreigners are prohibited to engage in any of the following occupations.

• Manual work.
• Work in agriculture, animal husbandry, forestry or fishery excluding specialized work in each particular branch or farm supervision.
• Bricklaying, carpentry or other construction works.
• Wood carving. ''

i know a lot of foreigners do it, but time to time, particularly if you are successful

or if a Thai for some reasons don't like you, immigration comes to pick one of them 

and they are deported. I am sure you don't want to be a retired with this threat on your head.

 

If you do it, you must be prepared to ''invest'' a lot of money, i mean to lost a lot

of money, and forever

the losses are for you, but the profits if they come are for the Thais, ever

so be prepared to be sollicited every time when there is something to buy

and be prepared to listen a lot of fakes excuses when you ask about the non profits.

 

And to finish i am sure you know how to do in Norway. but here in Thailand all is different

and if you are not thai and you don'tspeak thai, even the little easy thing in your business

could be very difficult, and your thai family helpless because this is a new business for they

they don't have the knowledges and the network of people to deal with this.

 

Imo if you do it, you have only problems ahead you, and probably the whole thing

could end your relation with your girlfriend too.

 

Goodluck anyway

thanks for input.

i know about the rule, that i can not work there.

but basically i will not do the work, i will just "tell them what and how to do" ???? but i know myself, so i know i will be doing little bit, but basically i will teach inlaws, and some relatives how to do...

i also know i should think about the critical sides of this "project". 

When it comes to the money income and outgoing, my wife will be controlling, kind of like a middle man. or "broker" between me and inlaws.

if they manage to make this "project" to have income, i will be happy to let them have the benefit of earning those money.

i dont know how to exactly explain this, but i try;

This project is for me an investment for me and my wife, til we retire. and in meentime it will make a good and modern workplace for my inlaws. And hopefully when we retire, it is so "big" and easily driven workplace, that we can have benefits from it, and maybe some neighbour boy(s) can do the work for us...

maybe i should stop dream about this, and just forget everything about farming there... but i really interest and excited bout this...

10 minutes ago, Michael Hare said:

Both. Often too dry (Nov to April) and too wet (August-September). Also the very low ferility soils in many places make growing productive grasses difficult. I would advise having some sort of irrigation system to give you a supply of grass all year around. 

ok. understand.

i will try to figure out something about irrigation in an easy and cheap way, but also effective.

@Michael Hare , Thanks. Good tips.

not easy to grow grass in thai?

because of long time of dry and rain season?