I have made this point so many times on these forums including Hua Hin, I constantly get attacked by Expats claimimg that places like Hua Hin and Pattaya are amazing places to visit, retire etc These resorsts arent stuck in the 90's its more like the Vietnam war - I have lived and worked in Thailand for 6 years and I have never taken any family or friends to Pattaya or Hua Hin because I find the bars and restauarants so dated and the hotels antiquated given the price. Most of the bars consist of a counter lined with girls in 200bhat dresses shouting at passers by, lots of screens showing sports, a pool table and a couple of old fat ferangs in vests thinking they are living the dream - fact is if they were all packed this would be one thing but they are all empty. In Pattaya if you want a neutral bar and a view you have to go to The Hilton....on top of this the screeching, cackilng ladyboys, the hevay smell of weed, the beach lined with freelancers, gangs of indian men and middle eastern men learing at any western woman - how is this condusive to families, couples, high end tourists etc - My kids are 20 and 26 and are pretty down to earth but Hua Hin and Pattaya would have nothing to offer them - indeed I would be scared for my daughter in these places