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  1. On 4/24/2020 at 2:12 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

    There is also something very wrong with Sweden’s reporting of infections.

     

    Their reported death rate is way too high for their reported infections.

    It turns out that Sweden only classifies a case as "corona viras caused" if the patient is actually tested for it. That's why the numbers look so skewed.

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  2. 43 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

    OK whatever the number is I have not researched that.  My bad.  The point was valid.  Blue collar workers see their work valued less because of illegals willing to do it for less.

     

    And the minimum wage topic is a lengthy discussion in itself.  It won't really work IMO but I don't care to have that long discussion as I am off to golf in 30 minutes.  

     

    I have never absolved Trump of anything regarding what he does.  I am merely pointing out to someone why blue collar workers voted for Trump.  Regardless of if one buys into  the idea he is fixing the problem he campaigned on restoring the value of blue collar labor.  That is the premise behind his MAGA slogan.  They bought it and voted for it.  Believing that they won't again might be whistling past the graveyard by DEMs.  I do not think DEMs in general are in touch with middle America.  It may cost them yet another presidential election.  Although screwing Bernie again was the right decision.  He really doesn't resonate with blue collar labor.

    All Trump has to do to solve the illegal worker problem is to crack down on employers. Something he's not going to do.

    The minimum wage increases voted on by many states, including red states, are already making a difference. About 1/3 of the wage increases gained by non supervisory workers is due to increases in the minimum wage.

    And health care is going to be a huge issue for the Democrats just as it was in2018,

    I don't know what you mean by "middle America" But if it's the suburbs you're referring to, they swung massively to the Democrats in the 2018 midterms. The issues that made for that change are still going to be present in the 2020 elections.

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  3. Researchers cut chloroquine study short over safety concerns, citing a ‘primary outcome’ of death

     

    Citing a “primary outcome” of death, researchers cut short a study testing anti-malaria drug chloroquine as a potential treatment for Covid-19 after some patients developed irregular heart rates and nearly two dozen of them died after taking doses of the drug daily.

    Scientists say the findings, published Friday in the peer-reviewed Journal of the American Medical Association, should prompt some degree of skepticism from the public toward enthusiastic claims about and perhaps “serve to curb the exuberant use” of the drug, which has been touted by President Donald Trump as a potential “game-changer” in the fight against the coronavirus.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/24/coronavirus-citing-a-primary-outcome-of-death-researchers-cut-chloroquine-study-short-over-safety-concerns.html

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  4. 9 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

    Not what I read yesterday. Trump deadlocked in all swing states!

     

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/2020-election-polls-trump-and-biden-deadlocked-in-az-fl-mi-nc-pa-wi.html

    actually, Change research, which conducted these polls, gets a very low grade of "C" from fivethirtyeight.com.  Better rated polls like Fox News put Biden strongly ahead in Pennsylvania and Michigan and weakly ahead in Florida.

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  5. 6 hours ago, Logosone said:

     

    In Sweden currently, as of today, 0.02021 of Sweden's population died of Covid19.

     

    Sweden was right not to lockdown its economy, given this miniscule figure, don't you think?

     

    Of course this very tiny figure will go up a little, but the coronapocalypse will not happen in Sweden.

     

    Sweden had the courage to walk the path which Britain shied away from. And their courage has not resulted in vastly more deaths than in lockdown central, the UK.

    Sweden has a vastly better prepared health care system than does the UK. So the fact that there are about as many deaths on a per capita basis as in the UK doesn't tell the whole story.

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  6. 1 hour ago, Iron Tongue said:

    You seem to be under some misguided belief that Trump supporters watch CNN.

     

    Apparently, nobody watches CNN in the US after they started broadcasting political opinion as news. 

    In 2019, CNN was the 22nd most watched cable channel, with 1/3 the viewership of conservative Fox News channel.  Fox does broadcast the daily covid-19 update and is ranked #1.

    The problem with this is that the viewership for all 3 of these cable channels skews much older and whiter than the American population as a whole. The average age of viewers for all 3 is over 60 with Fox being the oldest. And where does Trump draw the most support from? Older, white Americans. So it makes no sense to use their viewership as a proxy for the American electorate.

  7. On 4/22/2020 at 11:10 PM, CG1 Blue said:

    He followed the government advisors, SAGE and NERVTAG. That is quite the opposite of picking the ones he liked the sound of. 

    As with many Scots, some very good friends of mine, this situation is just being used as a chance to bash Boris. It's not really a surprise you're laying into him right now. 

    Remember, the Scottish government went along with the same strategy. All 4 governments of the UK did. 

    Interesting that you bring up SAGE.

    The Secretive Group Guiding the U.K. on Coronavirus

    The British government frequently says it’s “guided by the science,” but the members of its scientific advisory group, SAGE, are a secret.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/world/europe/uk-coronavirus-sage-secret.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

  8. 14 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

    You didn't provide any evidence that UK government core policy was herd immunity. If you make a claim that's untrue, it's up to you to prove otherwise. 

    Herd immunity was never communicated as the core strategy by the UK government. That's my evidence. 

    "Speaking Radio Four's Today programme on Friday, chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance said: "Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission."

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/matt-hancock-insists-herd-immunity-not-part-of-governments-plan-for-tackling-coronavirus

  9. 55 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

     

    Thailand actually doesn't have that much sun and when it does it is filtered. If this is true then a place like Arizona is a good place to watch. Crystal blue skies like you would never see in the tropics. Even places like the prairies where you can still get sunburn on a cool day.

    This is extremely unlikely to be true. Thais go to a great deal of effort to stay pale if they must got out into the sunlight. When I forget to wear a hat and go out here, sunburn is the inevitable result.

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  10. 34 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

    It is the same polling group.  Ipsos.  And they predict in the primary paragraph that they poll Clinton at 90% chance of being elected.  My point being people who put their faith in these polls as gospel are fooling themselves.

     

    Here is the first sentence in the article:

     

    PRESIDENT: Ipsos’ forecast is that Clinton has a 90% chance of winning the Presidency

    Which is why you should go with a good aggregator with a proven track record.

  11. Just now, jimmybcool said:

    And polls had Hillary in the lead all the way in 2016.  With larger margins.  It is funny how people fooled once by polls geared to get a result are being fooled again by the same polls.  

     

    Here is a link to the same polling group from the day before the 2016 election projecting Hillary had a 90% chance of winning.

     

    https://www.ipsos.com/en/2016-us-pre-elections-clinton-has-90-chance-winning-november-7

     

    There is one poll that matters.  The one on November 3, 2020.  Until then it's all posturing and hope from both sides.  

     

     

    Actually no. The aggregate of poll have Clinton a popular vote lead of anywhere from 2 to 3 points. And the individual states were way underpolled.

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