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6 hours ago, shy coconut said:He was being sarcastic, in his words, I'm not sure he is using the word correctly.
And if he as indeed being sarcastic I'm not sure a press briefing on a virus which
has killed tens of thousands of Americans is the best place for it.
Have you seen the video? The claim that he was being anything other than clueless won't stand up after viewing his performance. But if you want sarcasm, have I got something sarcastic for you:
The Onion predicted Trump’s suggestion that disinfectants might kill coronavirus
A lot of media outlets were surprised by President Trump’s claim that injecting disinfectants into sick patients might cure coronavirus, but The Onion wasn’t one of them.
The satirical newspaper ran a story nearly a month ago featuring a fictional grocery shopper in Wyoming stocking up on $2,513.67 worth of bleach, ammonia, and Drano in case the president suddenly suggested human consumption of such things could be the magical potion he’s been searching for to cure the pandemic that’s spread across the U.S. at an incomparable rate.
"I got toilet bowl cleaner, carpet cleaner, Swiffer WetJet refills — you name it — just so me and my family will be ready if the president announces one of these things can treat Chinese virus,” made-up man Troy Mitchell said in the fictional story.
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On 4/24/2020 at 2:12 PM, Chomper Higgot said:
There is also something very wrong with Sweden’s reporting of infections.
Their reported death rate is way too high for their reported infections.
It turns out that Sweden only classifies a case as "corona viras caused" if the patient is actually tested for it. That's why the numbers look so skewed.
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43 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:
OK whatever the number is I have not researched that. My bad. The point was valid. Blue collar workers see their work valued less because of illegals willing to do it for less.
And the minimum wage topic is a lengthy discussion in itself. It won't really work IMO but I don't care to have that long discussion as I am off to golf in 30 minutes.
I have never absolved Trump of anything regarding what he does. I am merely pointing out to someone why blue collar workers voted for Trump. Regardless of if one buys into the idea he is fixing the problem he campaigned on restoring the value of blue collar labor. That is the premise behind his MAGA slogan. They bought it and voted for it. Believing that they won't again might be whistling past the graveyard by DEMs. I do not think DEMs in general are in touch with middle America. It may cost them yet another presidential election. Although screwing Bernie again was the right decision. He really doesn't resonate with blue collar labor.
All Trump has to do to solve the illegal worker problem is to crack down on employers. Something he's not going to do.
The minimum wage increases voted on by many states, including red states, are already making a difference. About 1/3 of the wage increases gained by non supervisory workers is due to increases in the minimum wage.
And health care is going to be a huge issue for the Democrats just as it was in2018,
I don't know what you mean by "middle America" But if it's the suburbs you're referring to, they swung massively to the Democrats in the 2018 midterms. The issues that made for that change are still going to be present in the 2020 elections.
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26 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:Except - it is not fact. Women's rights? I've seen no change. Inviting foreign interference in elections? Seems Mueller proved that didn't happen. Or some can not accept the result. Pathetic really. I mean if it happened it happened under Obamas watch. Healthcare? No changes to it. Messed po yeah but lets ask the DEMs how that program is going to save us all money. Separation of families? Sure - continuation of previous Obama policy. Everything you ascribe is untrue.
I'll probably vote Trump in the end but I don't have a MAGA hat or confederate flag. I am very centrist in most of my views. He was not who I voted for in the primaries. But the DEMs have to be kept out of power. They have lost their minds.
You've seen no change to women's rights? How about the war it has waged on Planned parenthood? Or maybe you should look at the Supreme Court's decision about abortion in Louisiana. They pretty much supported making it next to impossible to get one. Guess where Trump's appointees came down on the issue?
As for Mueller proving it didn't happen, this is completely untrue. Judge Reggie Walton recently castigated William Barr for misrepresenting the contents of the report which Barr is trying to keep hidden.
As for no changes to Obamacare... Trump has taken several steps that make it more expensive and harder to get. Also, the Trump administration is now permitting junk health care plans to be offered. What's more, the Trump administration has joined a lawsuit to invalidate Obamacare. Republicans are now running from it when questioned about it. How do you think that's going to play in the upcoming elections? You think millions of newly unemployed people aren't going to think very differently about the relationship of health care to employment?
No, the separation of families is not a continuation of Obama policy. Under Obama it was very rare and only under very special circumstances. Under Trump, it became the general rule. They actually lost track of thousands of children. Even in 2020 children were still being returned to their families.
Care to be specific about how the Democrats have lost their minds?
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On 4/22/2020 at 10:22 AM, jimmybcool said:That comment as well as this one from the article:
""The move, which the Republican president announced on Twitter, effectively achieves a long-term Trump policy goal to curb immigration, making use of the health and economic crisis that has swept the country as a result of the pandemic to do so.""
Both imply something that isn't factual. The implication is Trump does not want any immigration to the USA. What Trump advocated, and many Americans supported, was an end to ILLEGAL immigration. Pretty sure most nations have the same goal in mind and work to prevent people ignoring their borders and walking in. I've no idea your nationality but I assume if 20,000,000 people were living in your country and driving down wages for manual labor you might be peeved as well.
Legal immigration has never been an issue with most in the USA. Controlled legal immigration. Including Trump who is married to a legal immigrant.
A major part of the surprise win by Trump in 2016 that the DEMs didn't understand was that blue collar workers understand on a basic level that they can't demand higher wages when someone there illegally will do the work for less. Mind you there are alternatives to a wall to achieve control of illegal immigration. For one - seriously crack down on any business that employs illegals. If the jobs aren't here they will stop coming. It has surprised me that hasn't been part of his effort. But then maybe he likes the issue and will run on it again.
The only people who tout that 20,000,000 figure are organizations like Fair that have a tarnished history. Most experts say the number is more like 11,000,00
And there is another way to raise wages for blue collar workers. Support a rise in the minimum wage. Something Trump opposes.
Seriously, you're surprised that Trump hasn't been cracking down on business that hire illegals? You do understand that the Trump organization has been hiring illegal immigrants for most of its history or did you miss reports about repeated expulsions of said persons from his organization? And you really think that the agricultural industry that has been so supportive of Trump will be pleased if he cracks down on their work force?
And while he does support restrictions on legal immigration such as the H1B program, Trump is fine with the H2B program. You know, the one that lets his hotels and resorts hire workers from Central America at very low wages. In fact, it has expanded greatly during his tenure. What's more, unlike American workers, these foreign workers can't quit their jobs and look elsewhere for work. Nice to have a captive work fore.
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4 minutes ago, 473geo said:Also understood antibiotics are not used to 'cure' covid but to assist in fighting the bacterial pneumonia (which can kill) caused by covid, so in some cases may well have a part to play - again not a cure but a valuable assist if used in the correct circumstances
Covid-19 does not cause bacterial pneumonia. The virus itself infects the lungs and causes the pneumonia symptoms
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32 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:Absolutely. Today's polls will be meaningless six months from now.
But very meaningful when you consider that Biden has been pretty much sidelined by the coronavirus and Trump's numbers have declined considerably again. It's clear that Trump's biggest obstacle to reelection is himself.
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1 hour ago, johnc925 said:
read the science reports being released everywhere... start with Sweden... then the Stanford report... what a sham!
Are the Swedes injecting Chlorox into those afflicted with Covid-19?
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2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:
How ironic this is. One of the main pushers of this nonsense to bash the President must be surprised to learn his own wife used bleach, and recovered.
Millions of people use bleach every day. Not so many inject it.
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Researchers cut chloroquine study short over safety concerns, citing a ‘primary outcome’ of death
Citing a “primary outcome” of death, researchers cut short a study testing anti-malaria drug chloroquine as a potential treatment for Covid-19 after some patients developed irregular heart rates and nearly two dozen of them died after taking doses of the drug daily.
Scientists say the findings, published Friday in the peer-reviewed Journal of the American Medical Association, should prompt some degree of skepticism from the public toward enthusiastic claims about and perhaps “serve to curb the exuberant use” of the drug, which has been touted by President Donald Trump as a potential “game-changer” in the fight against the coronavirus.
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9 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:
Not what I read yesterday. Trump deadlocked in all swing states!
actually, Change research, which conducted these polls, gets a very low grade of "C" from fivethirtyeight.com. Better rated polls like Fox News put Biden strongly ahead in Pennsylvania and Michigan and weakly ahead in Florida.
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7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:The most fascinating, and perhaps satisfying part of this, at least in the minds of his adversaries, is that his wealth has diminished significantly. Though I do not expect him to be homeless anytime soon, his name is beyond radioactive, and I predict he will never do another management, nor merchandising deal in this lifetime. He already lost nearly all of his 19 merchandising deals since becoming president, as sponsors have literally fled for the hills. And Trump Intl. has not been asked to do a single management deal either. Owners can barely lease or sell a unit in any building that has his name on it. He is toast, in terms of business.
It's not at all certain that Trump's wealth has declined. The 2017 tax bill most likely lowered his taxes enormously given that pass through entities and real estate businesses were especially favored. And then here's the latest scam that the Senate managed to wangle for the top 0.1 percent. It too especially favors real estate businesses and pass through entities. And it's going to cost the US government 90 Billion Dollars! For just 2020.
"This tax provision in the coronavirus relief bill will cost taxpayers about $90 billion in 2020. About 82 percent of the benefits will go to about 43,000 taxpayers who earn more than $1 million annually, saving them an average of $1.7 million in tax liabilities, while less than 3 percent of the benefits will go to those making less than $100,000 a year.
“For those earning $1 million annually, a tax break buried in the recent coronavirus relief legislation is so generous that its total cost is more than total new funding for all hospitals in America and more than the total provided to all state and local governments,” House Representative Lloyd Doggett, a Democrat from Texas, who requested the JCT report along with Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, also a Democrat, said in a statement on Tuesday."
https://observer.com/2020/04/coronavirus-stimulus-bill-cares-act-tax-code-controversy/
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6 hours ago, Logosone said:
In Sweden currently, as of today, 0.02021 of Sweden's population died of Covid19.
Sweden was right not to lockdown its economy, given this miniscule figure, don't you think?
Of course this very tiny figure will go up a little, but the coronapocalypse will not happen in Sweden.
Sweden had the courage to walk the path which Britain shied away from. And their courage has not resulted in vastly more deaths than in lockdown central, the UK.
Sweden has a vastly better prepared health care system than does the UK. So the fact that there are about as many deaths on a per capita basis as in the UK doesn't tell the whole story.
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1 hour ago, Iron Tongue said:
You seem to be under some misguided belief that Trump supporters watch CNN.
Apparently, nobody watches CNN in the US after they started broadcasting political opinion as news.
In 2019, CNN was the 22nd most watched cable channel, with 1/3 the viewership of conservative Fox News channel. Fox does broadcast the daily covid-19 update and is ranked #1.
The problem with this is that the viewership for all 3 of these cable channels skews much older and whiter than the American population as a whole. The average age of viewers for all 3 is over 60 with Fox being the oldest. And where does Trump draw the most support from? Older, white Americans. So it makes no sense to use their viewership as a proxy for the American electorate.
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On 4/22/2020 at 11:10 PM, CG1 Blue said:
He followed the government advisors, SAGE and NERVTAG. That is quite the opposite of picking the ones he liked the sound of.
As with many Scots, some very good friends of mine, this situation is just being used as a chance to bash Boris. It's not really a surprise you're laying into him right now.
Remember, the Scottish government went along with the same strategy. All 4 governments of the UK did.
Interesting that you bring up SAGE.
The Secretive Group Guiding the U.K. on Coronavirus
The British government frequently says it’s “guided by the science,” but the members of its scientific advisory group, SAGE, are a secret.
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14 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:
You didn't provide any evidence that UK government core policy was herd immunity. If you make a claim that's untrue, it's up to you to prove otherwise.
Herd immunity was never communicated as the core strategy by the UK government. That's my evidence.
"Speaking Radio Four's Today programme on Friday, chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance said: "Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission."
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17 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:She tweets as much as Trump but less successfully. Why get rid of tweets, that can only disadvantage the smaller, less well known candidates. It equals the playing field. Don't blame Twitter because Donald has used it effectively.
He tweeted his way around CNN and into the Whitehouse.
Anybody paying attention knows the left hates social media and such sites as they always come off as so fracking tone deaf when they try to do it. Here's my gourmet ice cream, let me go get me a beer.
It's like imagine the president of the USA says liberation is going back to work. Hope she got paid. She can stop going to work anytime damn time now.
So you think his tweets have been helping him lately? And by lately, I mean since he came into office.
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55 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:
Thailand actually doesn't have that much sun and when it does it is filtered. If this is true then a place like Arizona is a good place to watch. Crystal blue skies like you would never see in the tropics. Even places like the prairies where you can still get sunburn on a cool day.
This is extremely unlikely to be true. Thais go to a great deal of effort to stay pale if they must got out into the sunlight. When I forget to wear a hat and go out here, sunburn is the inevitable result.
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Seems dubious. Ecuador is suffering terribly from the pandemic including its port city.
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34 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:
It is the same polling group. Ipsos. And they predict in the primary paragraph that they poll Clinton at 90% chance of being elected. My point being people who put their faith in these polls as gospel are fooling themselves.
Here is the first sentence in the article:
PRESIDENT: Ipsos’ forecast is that Clinton has a 90% chance of winning the Presidency
Which is why you should go with a good aggregator with a proven track record.
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Just now, jimmybcool said:
And polls had Hillary in the lead all the way in 2016. With larger margins. It is funny how people fooled once by polls geared to get a result are being fooled again by the same polls.
Here is a link to the same polling group from the day before the 2016 election projecting Hillary had a 90% chance of winning.
https://www.ipsos.com/en/2016-us-pre-elections-clinton-has-90-chance-winning-november-7
There is one poll that matters. The one on November 3, 2020. Until then it's all posturing and hope from both sides.
Actually no. The aggregate of poll have Clinton a popular vote lead of anywhere from 2 to 3 points. And the individual states were way underpolled.
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12 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:So blue states spread the virus to red states?
You know, the same red states that the elites call "flyover country"
Your post might have some validity if you could point out what blue state policies led to the presence of the virus in red states. But in fact, blue states have been far more restrictive on average than have red states.
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1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:Where did Bloomberg now with his massive piles of money to buy ads for Joe? If Mike doesn't keep his word Joe is massively behind in fund raising. You can ask opinions on polls but when you start polling people by asking for money that's stronger.
Biden being afraid of the debates is funny. There is no reason not to do them with no studio audience. He also has a problem that the far left is still going to eat him alive.
Come on man, China is our friends...
The think is, thanks to the pandemic, Biden has been nearly invisible. Despite which President Trump keeps on losing ground. So it turns out that the biggest asset Biden has in his favor is Donald Trump.
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4 minutes ago, DoctorG said:The CNN et al decision to stop broadcasting Trump's updates appears to be working. His numbers have slipped since.
Given President Trump's behavior during those briefings, I think a better case could be made for the briefings being the cause of his decline. President Trump had a huge opportunity to forego the vitriol and the insults that have characterized his Presidency. He could have used this opportunity to rise above this kind of pettiness and pushed for unity. Instead he opted for the same old same old. Compare his numbers to leaders of other nations who didn't indulge in those kind of antics.
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As U.S. coronavirus death toll tops 50,000, a handful of states edge toward reopening
in World News
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Here is a quote from the "objective news source site" www.whitehouse.gov
"The economy has come roaring back to life under President Trump. The stock market has hit record high after record high, helping more Americans build wealth and secure their futures. Through needed tax cuts and reform, the Administration will bring jobs back to our country."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/economy-jobs/