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9 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

A Non Imm O Visa is a short-stay Visa and on entry you will only receive a permission to stay for 90 days.  In the last month of those 90 days you would have to apply at your local IO for the 1-year extension of stay based on that original Non Imm O Visa.

Such application does require that you meet the financial requirements (e.g. 800.000 THB seasoned for two months on a personal Thai bank-account at the moment of application), but it does NOT require a continuation of that covid-19 insurance. 

Hence there is no reason to subscribe to a 6-month covid-19 insurance.  You only need it for your intended period of stay on the Visa you entered with (in your case 90 days).

Thanks for your help Peter . Looks like I can return sooner than I expected with the inclusion of Non Imm  O. 

41 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Yes, SafetyWing will provide you with a certificate stipulating the period of coverage.  You should ensure that it aligns with the permission to stay the Visa you will be entering Thailand on.  The permission to stay stamped in your passport by border-immigration will be CAPPED to the shortest one.  So when entering on a Non Imm O-A Visa your insurance should be for a full year, and when entering on a 90-day Non Imm O Visa you only need it for 90 days.

 

Thanks for your quick response . I will be entering on an exisiting Non Imm O Visa that expires Feb. 9 , 2021 .  The only 90 days for insurance has me wondering why 90 days as I will apply for another 12 month extension in February . Is the Non Imm O only capped at 90 days ?

This does get confusing becasue I will apply for 6 month insurance but then if things aren't under some sort of control by  the end of April 2021 then I will need to extend month to month with SafetyWing . I don't want to leave Thailand and have to jump through these hoops again to return October 1, 2021. 

Just bizarre how they can make , what should be , a simple process into a  cluster  *uck .

I guess I should specify I was talking about SafetyWing .

On 10/17/2020 at 4:55 AM, Peter Denis said:

Yes, the covid-19 policies on https://covid19.tgia.org 

are issued by TGIA - the Thai insurance lobby and they do meet the 100.000 US$ covid-19 insurance requirement to apply for the COE.

But there are far better (and cheaper) options available.

 

If your current foreign/international health-insurance or your travel-insurance does not meet the covid-19 coverage of at least 100.000 US $, it is worth looking for a foreign insurance policy that does cover it.  The Thai TGIA insurance < https://covid19.tgia.org/> is in fact very expensive for the single coverage of covid-19 it provides.  The only advantage I see in that Thai policy is that you can subscribe to it till 99 years of age (and there is NO difference in premium per age-category which is of course ridiculous again from an insurance perspective but good news for older applicants).

 

When under 70 years of age, e.g. the SafetyWing travel-insurance policy < https://safetywing.com/nomad-insurance> will provide accident/illness cover of 250.000 US $ (including covid-19 coverage).  And that FULL travel-insurance policy sells at at premium of 40 to 130 US $ per month depending on your age, and so the premium is often LOWER than the limited covid-19 only Thai insurance premium.

 

I quickly checked cost and it looks reasonable. Just wondering if they provide a letter you can show

Thai immigration that specifies you have  Covid19 and 100k US coverage. 

Finally an initiative that makes sense . No only safe to quarantine on a golf course but it is safe to golf .  We.ve been doing it for months . Easy to social distance while playing . Seperate buggies and  the golfers drive themselves  .  Make it cost attractive and there should be a good market for it once they relax the other unacceptable hoops we need to jump through .

They continue to fiddle while Rome burns .  

7 hours ago, Myran said:

No, the opposite is absolutely not true, and you can't have spent much time in Thailand if you sincerely believe that. Acting out and causing a scene is always frowned upon by fellow Thais.

ROTFLMAO. What a load of hogwash . At a minimum they are huge drama queens and it gets serious when you run across the one's , like in the video , who are spoiling to release some anger . 

I have spent many years In Thailand and I have seen first hand  what happens when a Thai thinks you are trying to embarass/insult/cheat him with the additional insight of a Thai family that tells me what the score is .   

You obviously travel in very genteel circles . You should get out among the real people .

My first experince with a Thai reacting to an insult was a wedding that erupted into a pitched battle with a hundred combatants. The agrieved family was from Bangkok and they drove 2 hours to the wedding , that they hadn't been invited to , so they could save face by starting a massive brawl . The irony was they weren't invited because they had started a brawl at a previous family wedding  that they hadn't been invited to .  

Thai's don't like to act out !!!! You must be joking .

6 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Head first ... right into the problems ...

 

This guy , Narathiwat “Ken” Khamma , did no favor to the democratic movement by reacting in such an uncontrolled and offensive way . ( and that in front of many cameras ...)

I thought that Thai's ' lose their face ' by showing that they are not able to control themselves ... ?

I do not know what led to this , but it is difficult to justify violence only because of a problem in communication .

 

Unfortunately the exact opposite is true . Thais lose face when they don't lose control and strike out after perceiving being offended in any way shape or form . Never insult any Thai unless you are ready for the blow back .  Land of Smiles quickly becomes Land of Screwballs when they are even slightly embarassed by someone .  Their reaction often greatly exceeds the severity of the slight .  Don't underestimate the violent streak in many many many Thai's . Cab drivers carry machetes , Moto bike drivers carry knives .

If you think you want to flip someone off while in a car think again because there is a high probability of being chased down and assaulted . Easy solution STF* and keep driving. Thai's do not yield the right of way .  You need to take it without eye contact and hopefully without rubbing wheel covers.

You shouldn't judge a book by its cover but the Russian gives the impression of being a right <deleted> to put

the child in such an unnecessary volatile situation .  He clearly doesn't understand the first rule for expats in Thailand that states " If any thing bad happens it is the expats fault because it would not have happened if the expat had not come to Thailand . End of ". If you can't walk away then run because it will never end well for the Falang .  He may have been just strolling minding his own business (doubtful) but even so the moment he was challenged he should have gracefully altered his path and carried on to avoid trouble.

Let's be thankful the Russian didn't raise a hand to the thug because the thug's mates would have done the  Thailand 2 step on him . Step 1; only one Thai starts fighting Falang . Step 2 ; a multitude of mates do the pile on and target the victims head with their feet as much as possible until he is rendered immobile .

I  am of the opinion the only thing that saved this man a trip to intensive care or worse was the presence of so many camera's .

Needles to say the Thug should be incarcerated for the assault . I expect the Falang will end up paying the Thug a couple of thousand baht for putting his nose in the way ofthe Thugs forehead .

" never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.”  How frustrating for those in the tourist  industry having their fate determined by the gang who couldn't shoot straight .  The question is asked "when will things improve ?" and the bureaucrats say "it is getting better you just don't realize it yet " .  They don't have the courage to tell people how bad it really is nor the courage to take an educated risk to balance risk and reward . People are seeing a lifetime of work disappearing under a flood of incompetence .

High season is here and no sign of the possibility of tourist trade because of diffficult and onerous restrictions . 

 Time is running out to save this years tourism  .  Tic toc ,

"The rest of the world has confidence in us and many foreigners want to visit.

"We must use all our "charms" to get lots and lots of them to come".

Actually the rest of the world has little to no confidence in them to manage an orderly recovery. Every pronouncement looks more like a <deleted> take than an educated strategy to recover. The pandemic has done much harm around the world in revealing how some elected government mem bers actually merit their position but most are self indulgement *wats unable to respond to a serious and immediate problem .

The issue is to safely reopen and the *wats look at it as an opportunity to fleece Falang . Not working out very well so far . I have to beleive that the majority ofthese high rnking appointments are through patronage becasue none of them seem to have th skill sets necessary to do the job .

This guy has already showed the world how charming he is . Now the real presure is on and it is time to pucker up .

1. Ask for Covid test before boarding plane . (stuff your fit to fly nonsense) .

2. Ask for proof of Covid and  $100K insurance .

3. Ask for 14 day Quarantine ASQ .

4. Check for covid on arrival.

5. Implement quarantine protocal .

6. If healthy after 14 days release into the wild . 

He was asleep with his eyes open . Time difference meant he should have been in bed .

Nothing to see here .

Not only are they doing irrepairable damage to tourism they are setting the stage for tourists to suffer very very aggressive demands from the locals who have been waiting in bread lines because there were no foreigners providing employment opportunities . On my return I expect Pattaya to feel more like the *hithole known as Angeles City with begging becoming a problem .

I expect to read of increased theft from tourists as the locals have been put into survival mode . I hope I am wrong but what are people to do when there is no social safety net and the government can't organize a <deleted> up in a pub.

Unfortunate how those in power will not admit to themselves that Thailand is marketable as a cheap holiday (relatively  speaking) and not a high end destination . They keep pretending that Thailand is a special place that tourists are lucky to be allowed to spend time in . They need to change that thinking and operate with tourism and immigration bureau's that work hard to encourage tourists and returning ex pats and not continually insult their intelligence by cloaking money grabs with a supposed concern for public safety .

The continuing message they are putting out is we don't want you just your money .

The one comparitively easy attraction is cheap pussy (yes price is going up ) but now that service is not as appealing with the threat of catching the virus  so if you are just looking for beaches and sun there are so many options that Thailand could suffer years of lost revenue to other destinations .  One of the the worst thing you can do in business is give a customer a reason to try out your competitor . Very hard to get them back once they have made the switch .

Probably be some good deals on condo's as people are getting fed up with these silly conditions for returning and may look at selling and going some place where they may feel welcomed . I certainly regret having bought a condo in Jomtien and will look at unloading it when I finally get back to Thailand . Lesson learned .

1 hour ago, VBF said:

Shouldn't that be muppets and tools? ????

Toe mato  Toe moto  ???? .  Same same .

18 hours ago, honcho said:

GO DONNY!!! the cheating leftists demoncrats will destroy the freedoms we have all enjoyed and lick chinas back side so we will all be safe locked up on our couch living a virtual world with our huwaiwai tablets

Go Donny . Exercise your freedom of assembly and hold big indoor rallies every day till the end of the month .

Donny is so smart he is holding rallies to reach out to the votes he already has and not waste time on a socially distanced debate that goes far beyond his base .

Biden is going to have a big job putting the lipstick back on the pig .

4 hours ago, Pracha Duang said:

The only country that has handled the coronavirus appropriately is the USA. 

 

 

 

Wow . I beleive this is now called Trumpian logic . Twist reality and you can make a case for anything .

"The problem is the testing not the disease " ????.

Only the USA has handled  the virus appropriately is beyond absurd . What is happening is 

Making America Grab it;s Ankles

Having said that I will also point out Thailand is doing a poor job of balancing safety with allowing citizens to make a living . The government is over complicating a manageable system but taking little to no responsiblity in helping the country to recover . Sound familiar ? . 

2 or 3 week tourists aren't submitting to a 2 week quarantine. The target group is long stay like O-visa retiree's .  No problem to demand testing prior to flight and then after arrival . Confirm insurance in place again makes sense . 14 day quarantine is universally accepted as the standard and makes sense.

Test on day 14 then if negative release into the wild and allow the service industries access to customers who will be required to be masked until further notice ,

Right now Covid 19 is manging the government and they need to turn it around . 

Just checking the possibility of the Caribbean this winter and I see the Bahamas is agreeable to accepting a certified Covid test 7 days prior to arrival , quick test on arrival and follow up test 5 days later . Probably give it another month but if Thailand doesn't make more tourist friendly demands I could be booking in the Caribbean .  They can choke on the money they defrauded in Non O visa's and rentry permits .

Standing by to see once they drop it down to 7/14 day quarantine and proof of condo ownership and I will book. Covid test before getting on plane makes sense . Fit to fly certificate is just a silly annoyance. 

On 9/15/2020 at 9:39 PM, fulhamster said:

Is it ok if we just meet up at the course ?

We have our own transport.

Problem with that is the bar makes no money to compensate for arranging the tee times so not sure they would be happy for you to piggyback on their tee times . As far as I know they make a few baht on arranging transport so you really should use their transport which also means you are more likely to buy a beer or two at the bar on your return.

7 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

in that case he's not a war hero! 

the "invisible enemy®" got 'im!

 

just as trump likes heroes that don't get captured,

then we should like candidates who don't get infected.

 Brilliant .

I read there is a proposal to allow Non-O in if they have a balance of at least 500k baht in Thai bank account for past 6 months . Another dim witted attempt .Many  Non-O who winter in Thailand and return to home country in summer don't keep hunderds of thousands of Baht in a Thai bank . Typically they ship over enough to satisfy Visa requirement and then live off what is in the thai bank till the following trip and then rinse and repeat . I believe we are moving in the right direction but it is a slow and painful process .