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On 12/23/2020 at 7:17 AM, Jeffr2 said:

Great!  Sadly, Belgium is perhaps the worst country right now with regards to the virus.  Sad times there....but best of luck in getting it under control.

Prouves that stupid lock down measures don t work..( 50% of deads was in nursery homes where we did not manage to keep the virus out, avarage age of covid dead is 83y, average age in Belgium is 82y)  but my point was when I read " Thailand do massive testing", mentionning 100K..... 

On 12/23/2020 at 10:05 AM, DavisH said:

Because you have a small country with one of the worst death rates in the world. You need it....

Agree, but when I read" massive testing" in Thailand.........

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

that's been proven false.  Sweden admits herd immunity can't be achieved naturally.

Not according this article from scientifists, published by the Lancet. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30555-5/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR0qAuGQhqT96RWah_DpYXyXQHrH3VCvXHxRDP0u0OcN30UFCXlHKjPDSeA

17 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

I cancelled my New Year trip up north, lost the money on the flights, got a refund on the hire car and hadn’t booked the hotel yet. Hoping they will lockdown then I will get the flights refunded.
 

I have watched Europe and the USA all year and thought they were plain stupid for plane travel so it would also be stupid for me to do it now even though I was reluctant to cancel. I was also concerned about getting stuck up north if they locked down when I was there.
 

IMO they should lockdown over NEw Year. Most people have a week off anyway, just make them stay where they are, like they did at Songkran. That worked. There is more covid now in Thailand and the world than back then. If I was in charge I would call a two week lockdown tomorrow and then reassess. Hopefully nip it in the bud.

The problem with New Year is families and friends get crammed in together in the same car to travel. Only one has to have it, then it will spread to everyone in the car during the long drive.Then they all get out at the destination  and visit their various friends and families and it will spread further. Then they head back to work and further spread it. And all the oldies in the village will have it also. 

 

To beat covid you have to social distance, not socialise.

 

i hope I am wrong but it could really be a disaster. Stupid to risk it for a holiday. Once numbers get past a certain level it will be impossible to eliminate like they did last time, and it will just be lockdown after lockdown just trying to contain it like in Europe and failing miserably.
Better to go hard, go fast IMO. 
 

It wasn’t Prayuts idea to lockdown the first time, he was pressured into it. I hope they pressure him again but time is running out.

Apparently there are no covid deads, if low or mild symptoms, herd immunity could be reached by natural infection..

9 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

As the Emirates free-insurance provides you with 31 days of coverage, that would have been sufficient to cover the required period when entering Visa Exempt (insurance required for the period of stay the permission to stay will provide you on entry).

Unfortunately Thai Immigration has just extended (22 Dec) the permission to stay to 45 days from a VisaExempt entry, so that means that you would need an additional insurance to cover the last 15 days from your permission to stay.

 

Or book 30 days and change flight?

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Yup, you were right.  100,000 per month.  Why such a grump?  Be nice.

Here in small Belgium we do 30k a day! THAT is massive testing.....????

1 hour ago, Marco100 said:

Do not understand how all this cases comes in from Myanmar with no quarantine and spreads in numbers and they still make it so difficult for tourist to visit the country ?

At this point , as tourist get tested before boarding  ,  at arrival , ++ in quarantine,  why not reduce quarantine to 7 days ?

Exactly! Quarantaine with negative pcr test!!!

And those who tested negative... are they in incubation period and will they be tested again in 5 days? 

10 hours ago, pacman32 said:

Facts hmmm

Can't say for other places but 86% are asymptomatic in the UK. And the government admitted that previous numbers had been highly exaggerated. 

 

It would seem that governments can do what they want with this virus.

I don t know in Thailand, but here many people are asymptomatic and those who have symptoms have mild symptoms.. the reason that the beds are full( if.) is that the last decade nearly every govnmnt in the EU has downsized the number of  beds...while population is growing. 

3 hours ago, khunPer said:

Depending of the whole World's population is tested. A lot tests positive without symptoms. Countries with a huge number of daily tests, and of course havind the virus outbreak, find just around 3 percent is positive.

 

I have not seen any reports of how many that tests positive within the first 7 days of people in Thai quarantine, nor have I looked for any statistics, so there might be, if you Google for it.

I found this , but not specific Thailand. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/   and also this https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/604339/fpubh-08-604339-HTML/image_m/fpubh-08-604339-g003.jpg?fbclid=IwAR2t5OzMnF3vJ_hHMPrZUhU9MhXu3_M2kNn1t2lqqdc7Iu1dB1ax4e3kMNw

On 12/13/2020 at 11:19 AM, khunPer said:

Originally the capacity for incoming ASQ was 40 a day, recently it was mentioned in the news that space had come up to 100 new incoming persons a day. So if fx. 4 foreigners tests positive in one day it equals 4 percent.

 

Imagine just a few percent of turists with a fast spreading G-string Covid-19 visiting crowded areas.

Ok but what I mean , imagine it is 4% ( seems high to me as actually in the world 73milion infected, on world population it is far from 4%)  than is my question how much where detected in the first 7 days.  What I read that incubation time is average 4-5days and exceptionnaly up tot 14days. So if with Quarantaine of 7 days they cover 95% of this 4%... The last 7 days  one should be report on a mobile app and if get sick there is a perfect contact and source tracing possibility. (Same as they do now with local infections when detected) 

On 12/14/2020 at 2:06 AM, ubonjoe said:

You can apply for a non-o visa with a 30 day visa exempt entry or the 45 day extension extension of it. The extension would have to be applied for after you finish quarantine since you must have 15 days remaining on your stay to apply for the visa.

Ok thanks...Belgium is on that list, but here in B no info from embassy or consulat confirming this...:-(

5 hours ago, khunPer said:

Looking at the percentage number of Covid-19 positive among incoming travellers in Quarantine, opening of borders would be a disaster if the idea is a Covid-19 free Thailand; if changed to let virus flow more freely the already done Covid-19 sufferings has been in vain. 

And what is that percentage?? And how many before day 7? 

2 hours ago, Patts said:

More nonsense being spouted. 

 

From WHO website:

Based on the available evidence, the COVID-19 virus is transmitted between people through close contact and droplets, not by airborne transmission. The people most at risk of infection are those who are in close contact with a COVID-19 patient or who care for COVID-19 patients.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30514-2/fulltext

2 hours ago, polpott said:

It sounds just as effective as the other front runners. When administered as a half dose followed by a full dose its 90+% effective. Thailand and UK have opted for AZ vaccine. More doses of AZ vaccine have already been manufactured than any other and, being less sensitive to storage temperature, makes it ideal for distribution in 3rd world countries. AZ are also distributing it at cost ie $3 per dose. Phizer will cost $19.50 per dose and Moderna want to make a real killing selling their vaccine at $25-$37 per dose. Bear in mind that the US vaccines require 2 doses and the UK vaccine 1 1/2 doses.

 

https://www.biospace.com/article/comparing-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-biontech-moderna-astrazeneca-oxford-j-and-j-russia-s-sputnik-v/

 

 

BUT...on young and healthy people( who do not die from natural infection....) also figures based on very very low cases ( 9 to 30 people depending the brand...) and nobody did test on.the immunity.....guess they do not want to know that...or they know already..

20 hours ago, rabas said:

It's well known that flu vaccines don't work as well in the elderly.  Why-flu-vaccines-dont-work-as-well-in-the-elderly

 

So it's hard to see how they claim the 90% is due solely to a dosing error based on a younger population.

 

These tests are made with knowledge of the output that can be prouven by the test..... for ex none of the tests tested on immunity.... 

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

Very sensible; the costs of too fast reopening – and a new lockdown due to spread of virus – could costs a lot more in both finance and life, than keeping strict border control, and probably a vaccination passport together with a negative test for incoming visitors without the need of quarantine...????

Do yoy realise that vaccin ONLY protect the vaccinated?.....and if he s infected he still can infect others.... 99.95% of people under 70y does not die...i guess it will even be higher in sunny countries where people lives outside...

4 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

That's an easy to answer question ...

Thailand's current approach is the best and only way in the moment .

Quarantine on arrival is scaring away many potential tourists , but so are packed flights .

Tourist related businesses would suffer even more if there is a major outbreak in Thailand , because nobody would come anymore at all ...

Thailand's population would suffer from taking that risk ( and from the then re-imposed restrictions ) , and the government would be held responsible for that . And it would ruin Thailand's reputation as being a safe destination .

They cannot just open the border and let tourists in again . Not yet .

May be if a working vaccine is found , potential tourists who have been vaccinated and tested can be allowed to board a plane and enter the country without quarantine ... but for the moment it is still far too early for that .

Nothing safer than a plane with good venrilation system..scaring tourist? There are no tourists actually... working vaccine? Hope you know that a vaccinated person who gets covid can infect other people...

11 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Antigen tests do not show antibodies.

 

Antigen test = shows presence of virus. Current infection.

 

Antibody test = shows presence of antibodies. Could be naturally acquired immunity (from having been infected) or from vaccination.

 

The COVID testing required to travel to Thailand and done during quarantine is for antigen. Not antibody.

I ve read many times that the PCR test is not showing infection.... Antigen is another test that does if I udnerstand it right?  ANd vaccination is to be protected against the virus, but I can have the virus and due to natural immunuty or thanks to the vaccin kill it... but when tested I can be tested positive? 

2 hours ago, DogNo1 said:

The 95% effective rate is rather dubious.  The vaccine was not given a "challenge" trial.  The people who were vaccinated were not then exposed to the virus.  They were allowed to go about their normal lives.  Whether they were exposed to the virus is not known so their remaining uninfected could just be due to chance. The various vaccines' effectiveness could be much lower than reported.  I am curious to see detailed reports of the vaccines' trials.  

exactly! the 95% is based on 94 people from this program who got covid.. 85 where from the placebo group.... 9 where vaccinated. 95% did react well..... MSM became all publicity agencies for the Pharma industry.....

4 hours ago, Sheryl said:

You will not test positive on an antigen test for having been vaccinated.

so an antigen test showing antibodies will be  OK for natural infection? 

On 11/22/2020 at 3:37 AM, sweetserenity said:

The efficiency has already shown 95% successfull rate, so im sure the current requirments will be dropped as soon as people get vaccinated before they come

95%..... based on 94 people form the testgroup who got Covid... 85 of them where got the placebo... So 9 vaccinated people got covid and rected well... the claim of 95% is based on.... 9 people.... people who where in good health condition.....

On 11/20/2020 at 8:35 AM, gt162 said:

Pfizer and Moderna covid-19 vaccine is coming out next month in USA. If you get vaccinated, do you still need 72 hour covid-19 test, ASQ quarantine for 2 weeks, US$100,000 covid insurance, COE, fit to fly clearance, etc.?

Or nothing has changed at this time from Thai government or maybe later on for better visa options.

 

If vaccinated, the PCR test will be positive.....or ??  In that case need an antibody test?  And if one got the Covid ( I did)  and I have antibodies, why vaccinated? I m quit sure that if I do a PCR test ( with 40 cycly this test will meausre nearly everything as positive) I will test positive:-(

1 hour ago, Dialemco said:

Now us not the time to open borders for Chinese or anyone else. It is essential viras kept surpressed amongst Thai People and press Government to ensure that a vaccine is purchased as soon as available for at least 80% of the population so that borders may be opened hopefully for the 2022 season

WHO says a vaccine will not be the solution but an extra tool...

1 minute ago, Muzzique said:

 

 

Come off it... That describes 90% of the Ferangs in Thailand...  

 

It's known globally as God's waiting room..

In Belgium the people who die are 75+ and mainly 85+.  Most of them have already comorbodities. I doubt that the 40mio visitors to Thailand are in this categorie, but  anyway, they should protect themselves very well, even for the flu, they can die too from influenza.