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3 hours ago, khunPer said:

Depending of the whole World's population is tested. A lot tests positive without symptoms. Countries with a huge number of daily tests, and of course havind the virus outbreak, find just around 3 percent is positive.

 

I have not seen any reports of how many that tests positive within the first 7 days of people in Thai quarantine, nor have I looked for any statistics, so there might be, if you Google for it.

I found this , but not specific Thailand. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/   and also this https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/604339/fpubh-08-604339-HTML/image_m/fpubh-08-604339-g003.jpg?fbclid=IwAR2t5OzMnF3vJ_hHMPrZUhU9MhXu3_M2kNn1t2lqqdc7Iu1dB1ax4e3kMNw

On 12/13/2020 at 11:19 AM, khunPer said:

Originally the capacity for incoming ASQ was 40 a day, recently it was mentioned in the news that space had come up to 100 new incoming persons a day. So if fx. 4 foreigners tests positive in one day it equals 4 percent.

 

Imagine just a few percent of turists with a fast spreading G-string Covid-19 visiting crowded areas.

Ok but what I mean , imagine it is 4% ( seems high to me as actually in the world 73milion infected, on world population it is far from 4%)  than is my question how much where detected in the first 7 days.  What I read that incubation time is average 4-5days and exceptionnaly up tot 14days. So if with Quarantaine of 7 days they cover 95% of this 4%... The last 7 days  one should be report on a mobile app and if get sick there is a perfect contact and source tracing possibility. (Same as they do now with local infections when detected) 

5 hours ago, khunPer said:

Looking at the percentage number of Covid-19 positive among incoming travellers in Quarantine, opening of borders would be a disaster if the idea is a Covid-19 free Thailand; if changed to let virus flow more freely the already done Covid-19 sufferings has been in vain. 

And what is that percentage?? And how many before day 7? 

2 hours ago, Patts said:

More nonsense being spouted. 

 

From WHO website:

Based on the available evidence, the COVID-19 virus is transmitted between people through close contact and droplets, not by airborne transmission. The people most at risk of infection are those who are in close contact with a COVID-19 patient or who care for COVID-19 patients.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30514-2/fulltext

2 hours ago, polpott said:

It sounds just as effective as the other front runners. When administered as a half dose followed by a full dose its 90+% effective. Thailand and UK have opted for AZ vaccine. More doses of AZ vaccine have already been manufactured than any other and, being less sensitive to storage temperature, makes it ideal for distribution in 3rd world countries. AZ are also distributing it at cost ie $3 per dose. Phizer will cost $19.50 per dose and Moderna want to make a real killing selling their vaccine at $25-$37 per dose. Bear in mind that the US vaccines require 2 doses and the UK vaccine 1 1/2 doses.

 

https://www.biospace.com/article/comparing-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-biontech-moderna-astrazeneca-oxford-j-and-j-russia-s-sputnik-v/

 

 

BUT...on young and healthy people( who do not die from natural infection....) also figures based on very very low cases ( 9 to 30 people depending the brand...) and nobody did test on.the immunity.....guess they do not want to know that...or they know already..

20 hours ago, rabas said:

It's well known that flu vaccines don't work as well in the elderly.  Why-flu-vaccines-dont-work-as-well-in-the-elderly

 

So it's hard to see how they claim the 90% is due solely to a dosing error based on a younger population.

 

These tests are made with knowledge of the output that can be prouven by the test..... for ex none of the tests tested on immunity.... 

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

Very sensible; the costs of too fast reopening – and a new lockdown due to spread of virus – could costs a lot more in both finance and life, than keeping strict border control, and probably a vaccination passport together with a negative test for incoming visitors without the need of quarantine...????

Do yoy realise that vaccin ONLY protect the vaccinated?.....and if he s infected he still can infect others.... 99.95% of people under 70y does not die...i guess it will even be higher in sunny countries where people lives outside...

4 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

That's an easy to answer question ...

Thailand's current approach is the best and only way in the moment .

Quarantine on arrival is scaring away many potential tourists , but so are packed flights .

Tourist related businesses would suffer even more if there is a major outbreak in Thailand , because nobody would come anymore at all ...

Thailand's population would suffer from taking that risk ( and from the then re-imposed restrictions ) , and the government would be held responsible for that . And it would ruin Thailand's reputation as being a safe destination .

They cannot just open the border and let tourists in again . Not yet .

May be if a working vaccine is found , potential tourists who have been vaccinated and tested can be allowed to board a plane and enter the country without quarantine ... but for the moment it is still far too early for that .

Nothing safer than a plane with good venrilation system..scaring tourist? There are no tourists actually... working vaccine? Hope you know that a vaccinated person who gets covid can infect other people...

1 hour ago, Dialemco said:

Now us not the time to open borders for Chinese or anyone else. It is essential viras kept surpressed amongst Thai People and press Government to ensure that a vaccine is purchased as soon as available for at least 80% of the population so that borders may be opened hopefully for the 2022 season

WHO says a vaccine will not be the solution but an extra tool...

1 minute ago, Muzzique said:

 

 

Come off it... That describes 90% of the Ferangs in Thailand...  

 

It's known globally as God's waiting room..

In Belgium the people who die are 75+ and mainly 85+.  Most of them have already comorbodities. I doubt that the 40mio visitors to Thailand are in this categorie, but  anyway, they should protect themselves very well, even for the flu, they can die too from influenza.

2 hours ago, Strongheart said:

The phantom virus has not been purified (isolated) as of yet. It's very existence is questionable. A vaccine can only be produced once the virus has been isolated. 

Ordering a Vaccine means nothing in this case. Even with the virus isolated it will be at least 4 to 5 years to develop a vaccine.

Maybe it's time to understand that this whole fake pandemic is about something entirely different.

A CEO from a pharma company told me there will not be a working vaccine. Also tests are done on people in good condition..... but do they need a vaccine as 99,95% of the people do not die from Covid...

18 hours ago, Cali farong said:

Of course he didn’t get it in Thailand.  He caught it 3 months ago and it just showed up.  The only people who would believe that are Thais.  

the problem is that they do...

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Stop with the far left, where are they hiding the piles of Bodies piling up <deleted>.  Asymptomatic is Asymptomatic, no signs no symptoms, and definitely not dying.  The world has millions of Asymptomatic cases and yet not Millions have died.  You are forgiven also to believe people are being silenced.  If the testing is not done, then how do we know how many are asymptomatic if they are not going to a hospital because they are sick.  Time to get real and realize that just like other virus's not many seek treatment and many pass it on.

Exactly, the dead people die from long disease... see Belgium, we are on the top....but no overdeads. 

41 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Yeah, scary times.  But the economy is in the toilet and many are going out of business.  There's got to be a way to help the tourist economy without letting the virus get out of control.

 

No easy answers.

As in the rest of the world we ll have to learn to live with this virus...

4 hours ago, malathione said:

It's called viral load. It is the amount of viral RNA present in the blood. Not measured using PCR tests.

Wich means that after pcr test they always perform a test to check the viral load? That s good because pcr rest have a lot of false positives..

2 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

You do realise The very young die as well as the Older and infirm. I hope with your attitude to older People you get karma. You are ill informed about this virus. sorry to disappoint you but Fox News is the Fake news. Stop Listening to trump "He is Insane"

Very young die as well from covid??? Try again ...

these ASQ hotels seems dangerous to catch Covid...;-)

1 hour ago, Bkktodd said:

You seem to forget one fact. Vaccines will be out soon.  Flu has been around along time. Still get flu vaccines 

Flu vaccine workd 50 to 60%  in best cases..some years only 10%... and works less in elderly people due to a decreased immunity system...

21 hours ago, Mavideol said:

the wise one has spoken.... did he forgot that a French lady stayed in quarantine for 14 days and tested negative, a week later  travel to Kho Samui and then tested positive

maybe she got the virus from a THai;-) Oh non impossible....

41 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

It is astoundingly ridiculous to imagine it any other way.  

The vaccine is here, they are just putting the last part through trials.  They are all confident that it will work.  The problem is getting it out there to billions of people.  And for tourism, most of earth needs to have had some exposure to it.  

This pandemic is past its infancy, it's now in the toddler state.  And it's going to be a long time till this is over.  2021 will likely be a total write-off, unless you're Thai and count 400 tourists visiting a month as a major accomplishment.

knowing they test on YOUNG and HEALTHY people, i m not so confident it will really work.. flu vaccine works in best case for 60%, some years only 10%.... ( in South Korea already 15 deads due to new flu vaccine).. so anyway even you get vaccine, not sure you will be 100% protected and you will have to take very very care ...  I think I will wait a little bit

12 hours ago, webfact said:

'People must brace for new-normal lifestyle for at least two years before Covid-19 is contained'

By The Nation

 

Dr Yong Poovorawan, a specialist in virology at Chulalongkorn University.

 

The Covid-19 pandemic may take about two years to slow down, after a large number of people become infected and become immune to the disease and around 60 per cent of world population receive a vaccine, a medical expert said on Sunday.

 

Dr Yong Poovorawan, a specialist in virology at Chulalongkorn University, said the "new normal lifestyle" is needed for at least two years until the population has been immunised to levels that are higher than the herd immunity figure.

 

Speaking of achieving herd immunity, he said when the majority of people become immune to Covid-19, either through infection and recovery or enough vaccination, then the disease will not spread.

 

Giving an analogy, he said: “It is like a person who has immunity is a white sheep, and a person without immunity is a black sheep. If there are mostly white sheep in the herd, germs or dangers that could befall the black sheep would be kept at bay because the white sheep surrounding it would make it difficult for the invaders,” said Dr Yong.

 

As for Covid-19, it is estimated that 60 per cent or more of the group should have immunity, or immunity should be acquired by vaccination of at least 60 per cent of the population, then the virus can be contained, but that does not mean it has been eradicated, he cautioned.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30396735

 

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Knowing that some people got re infected again... how long will this immunity last? ( also for the vaccine). Sure is T wants follow WHO and vaccinate...

9 hours ago, pkrv said:

So then where did these current 39 'Chinese' visitors to Thailand come from? ????

And the 300 coming soon? I guess business men  or managers working in Thai companies belonging to chinese...

Strange..if one is positive the cancel...but why they do quarantaine?? 

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Only 58 deaths from this virus is a victory.

 

There is social security for those that pay income taxes. Don't pay income taxes you don't get it.

 

Same same your country. 

wait until Thailand will have no other choice thannopenonh tje cointry....