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Why did he bring the topic of swimming up? There is a horrifyingly huge number of people in Thailand who can't swim - apparently Each year, nearly 1,500 children in Thailand die because of drowning

No - the word is anthropogenic. - I doesn't help when your language is a bad as a deniers. I agree it is better just to put "MMCC" as we all know what that means.

That would be a fundamental misunderstanding of the timescale of climate change and the frequencies of extreme weather.

...and you still don't explain what the benefit is.

COP26 - Thailand was also absent from the pact to end coal use. " Coal-fired power plant is listed in the National Power Development Plan 2015 - 2036 or PDP 2015, which is a master plan for national power generation that focuses on electrical power supply to meet significant requirements of national power development in the next 20 years. According to the plan, proportion of coal-fired power plant will be increased from 20% in the present to be 25% in year 2036" - Electricity Generating Board of Thailand 2 new coal powered will now be powered with gas - a less damaging fossil fuel.

Stop you there - the basic idea of climate change involves much longer periods than that and is not decided on local rainfall as a single statistic.

significant is a scientific term that has a specific mean in statistics. "Statistical significance is a determination about the null hypothesis, which suggests that the results are due to chance alone." - investopedia it's a bit like the word"theory" which has a vastly different meaning in science from daily chit-chat. in

This thread seems to have disintegrated into a fixation about sea levels. I was hoping to hear something about how people thought it might affect Thailand, I'm sure there is more than just sea levels. A stable climate is essential for a stable economy and ever increasing variations in weather will disrupt this. People don't seem to think about other ramifications....such as food production drops due to drought, floods, and extreme heat? This is likely to cause food prices to ries and a lot of stuff to be scarce. If storms continue to grow more violent, there is likely to be damage to domiciles, business, and infrastructure. This would affect all of the country regardless of height above sea-level. "Scientists have published more than 350 peer-reviewed studies looking at weather extremes around the world" - carbonbrief.org The map below map has locations and a list of papers for research into extreme weather events and their links to MMCC – go to the web site for full interactive functions that will then lead you to the papers. https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-climate-change-affects-extreme-weather-around-the-world "The map above shows 405 extreme weather events and trends across the globe for which scientists have carried out attribution studies..." - carbonbrief THere's not a lot for Thailand there but it gives a good overall view. Even as we speak the South and Samui is experiencing major flooding. I have done flood relief down there in the past, the current situation on Samui needs to be analysed before and definite conclusions can be made - again one would look at severity and frequency. I'd not be surprised to hear that the jet stream will be a factor in this - also affected by climate change

how do you account for th=ose people trying to get from Belarus to Poland or France to UK?

How?

Hilarious - I doubt if even the most optimistic climate denier could support that comment with any back yp.

although I don't think a single graph is often very helpful, the one below is from a good source and makes a clear distinction between geophysical events and climate-related events....... all 3 of with are going to affect Thailand more and more.

this is incorrect - it is the frequency and severity - it has been confirmed that storm surges are likely to be more severe because sea levels are rising, and storms are getting demonstrably stronger in terms of wind speed. These increases in frequency and severity also apply to drought, fires etc. Sea levels already HAVE changed and the change is accelerating. If you want to understand this, read the Met office explanation below. https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/climate/climate-and-extreme-weather

PS - gas fired whilst better than coal - is still fossil fuel It's worth noting that most of Western Europe is powered largely or partly by gas - this is reflected in a remarkable low carbon fotprintcompared to USA for instance. however the politics surrounding this ae very com[plicated. Thailand is setting up huge facilities for the importation of gas and fossil fuels to power the nation and the petrochemical industry in Chonburi/Rayong region - the pollution in this area is dire.

Not at all harsh Yes - you are again missing out on large numbers - th single building of a large solar farm is not necessarily evidence of Thailand's overall policies. Cina is the biggest producer of slot engird cells and has a massive alternative energy policy but it doesn't detract from the fact that it is still opening new coal mines. Early industrialised countries have contributed most to the current situation but it doesn't alter the present situation that requires ALL countries - regardless of blame - to make adjustments. another fact is to consider the carbon footprint per capita - Thailand has and increasingly large contribution but the biggest per capita is Australia. " The US rhetoric over India and China is nothing more than a cover to take the heat off their own oil industry. The UK is even worse, having cut the foreign aid budget they make a big issue over trying to help poorer nations, blatant hypocrisy. There is no scientific deadline as such, only lip service to certain scenarios, the political will in any country to meet proposed deadlines will appear with the funding." I totally agree with this but it in no way mitigates or deflects from Thailand's policy of not doing anything significant.

You are so right - anthropology (adjective = anthropological) - is the study of humans and is a logical fallacy when linked to climate change. Climate refers to regions not people. The word associated with climate change is "anthropogenic" - which means generate by humans. I think spelling is difficult - I am dyslexic but meaning is more important. I think we get your meaning but due to a lack of vigilance, you seem to have used a malapropism - amusing, but it does rather show the lack of intellectual vigour one sees so much in climate deniers. Many people make mistakes due to computer spellchecks and predictive text, but through it all there needs to be a determination to get your facts right. due to a lack of vigilance, you seem to have used a malapropism - amusing, but it does rather show the lack of intellectual vigour one sees so much in climate deniers. "anthropomorphism" is also incorrect = is the tribulation of human characteristics - usually to animals. . Anthrop - is the part of the word that means "human" - the second half specifies its usage Logic is the study of something genus is make morph is to change. when it comes to spelling I think it's easiest to use "MMCC" = man made climate change

there is of course an inability of people to understand large numbers - whether high or low value. One example to bear in mind is to imagine a perfect balance with a million tons of rice on each arm.....what happens if you add one grain of rice to one side?

I think you are misinformed as to how migration occurs - it is international not necessarily just across neighbours borders

I think you need to check you sources a little

Climate change affecting Thailand and the effects of climate change on Thailand. Thailand’s performance at COP 26 was at best disappointing. Prayuth’s trip to Glasgow was more for appearances’ sake than anything else. The country is in the world top twenty when it comes to greenhouse emissions. Prayut declared climate change to be “a matter of life and death” and claimed Thailand is determined to reach a net-zero emissions target by 2065 which is 15 years after the scientific deadline. Looking at their commitments it gives the impression that the powers that be in Thailand simply don’t buy into MMCC – their comments are eigned not for action but to keep the world community at bay. Effects – Thailand is already suffering from an increased number of climatic events that are attributed to climate change. There was kingdom the worst drought in four decades last year, and Chiang Mai earned the ignominious title of most polluted city in the world for several days due to its smog problem. Bangkok and surrounding provinces are all vulnerable to rising sea levels. Riverside districts in Bangkok are already swamped by rising waters, and one forecast suggests that all of Bangkok could be underwater by 2050. - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12808-z TDRI - Thailand Development Research Institute has said that operational costs and trade restrictions driven by climate change could result in nearly a 44% reduction in GDP. BUT - Thailand has not signed any key agreements at COP26. No agreement to end deforestation by 2030. No agreement to cut methane emissions by 30 percent in or before 2030. (even Brazil signed up to this) No agreement to the pact to end coal use. It seems to me that whilst Thailand is vry much in the firing line, the authorities are very much in a state of denial.

I've just noticed a spelling error in the title - is there any way I can edit that?

ah - "argumentum ad verecundiam", i a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument. - this is regarded as a fallacy by many and used by those who have no argument themselves. try to focus on the message rather than the messenger?

Another one stat wonder! - this from the Royal Society with the best estimate of the rate of global-average rise over the last decade being 3.6 mm per year (0.14 inches per year). The rate of sea level rise has increased since measurements using altimetry from space were started in 1992; the dominant factor in global-average sea level rise since 1970 is human-caused warming. The overall observed rise since 1902 is about 16 cm (6 inches) the significant word being "increased"

for those still fixating on sea-levels - Global sea level rose by a total of more than 120 metres as the vast ice sheets of the last Ice Age melted back. This melt-back lasted from about 19,000 to about 6,000 years ago, meaning that the average rate of sea-level rise was roughly 1 metre per century. the difference now is the speed at which changes are happening, and the processes causing them.

in the OP Iasked about how people thought it would effect Thailand. Let's take one thing for a start - MMCC is real and demonstrable - if you don't believe that you are not capable of taking part in the discussion. It has been shown that those most affected by MMCC are the poorer nations and also in the tropics. Thailand faces threats on multiple fronts. Firstly the rising sea levels don't need to be much - you realise of course that the sea level isn't the same all around the globe at any one time and rises can be exacerbated by other factors too...... Thailand's problem will be the amount of valuable low-lying land - this is why Thailand was built on - slow moving rivers, deltas and look plains. These plains are home to a huge portion of the Thai population, industry and of course the coastal tourist industry. Tourism and Industrial works combined comprise of over half the country's economy. (remember the flooding of the Honda factory a few years back?) Combine the rises with the extra water in the atmosphere and Thailand is gonna wet harsher and heavier storms, more floods and drier dry periods - leading to problems in the rice producing raw - Thailand is on of the worlds biggest exporters of rice. I think it's safe to safe that Thailand's authorities are not repaid for any of this......it has been shown that many in the government are essentially climate change deniers as show by their scant regard for ecology in the country and obsession with developing ceap industry. The ae now beginning to give a bit of verbal acquiescence to the topic but there is little sign of any true believers.