ozimoron

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

something went wrong

 

5 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Certainly.

 

Do you assume that temperature will inevitably continue to rise? It never has in the past.

In the industrial era, it has.

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Do you assume that warmer is necessarily worse? It never has been before.

Most definitely. Even small changes in weather have strong and adverse effects on ecology. For example, the migration of invasive fish species.

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Obviously, but if the world is warming, why did I have the heater on at Christmas time, which never happened before, and why hasn't the sea level risen visibly?

No point expecting me to believe that we are doomed if what is claimed isn't born out by the evidence that I see personally..

It hasn't been called Global Warming for a decade or so now. Drop the wingnut talking points. A cursory glance at the modern debate will reveal that climate extremes in either direction are the product of climate change and that change has differential effects in different parts of the planet in different years.

2 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

I think you may have joined the discussion rather late.

 

Nobody here is suggesting that climate change is not real, as far as I know. The discussion generally has moved on from there on to whether it is likely to be serious, and what might be the best steps to take.

Could the melting of glaciers in Nepal or the the reduction in land ice in the antarctic or the melting of Ice in Greenland not be serious? Can record fires, worse each year than the last not be serious. Can record temperatures in 9 of ten years not be serious?

Just now, RickBradford said:

Correct. But is also doesn't mean it is true, or anything we should rely on.

 

Yet Reuters is essentially presenting it as received wisdom, without providing a skerrick of counter-argument from people who may hold different views.

Nothing wrong with a counter argument. I've just never seen one in relation to climate change which offers any evidence that it's not real, other than pointing to uncertainties and vagaries in the evidence for climate change.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If someone claimed to have a way to become a billionaire by using a computer program they had developed, and were selling it, but they couldn't guarantee that by using it one would actually become a billionaire, how many people would buy it?

If the boffins can't prove that their climate models actually work, why should I believe them?

They do work, they are just not totally accurate. If the met bureau says there's a 90% chance of rain tomorrow and it doesn't rain, they were not wrong.

6 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

At least the authors admit it.

 

"There are caveats. There are no scientifically credible quantitative estimates of how climate change will impact social and political factors, so these are excluded from our model (Oswald and Stern, 2019). Thus, our findings should be considered as conservative. Moreover, our results should be understood as scenario-based simulations rather than predictions. We do not comment on the relative probabilities of any given warming scenario playing out in practice."

 

In other words, don't blame us if the whole thing is rubbish.

It's not a zero sum game. The fact that climate models can't accurately predict outcomes does not leave open the possibility that it is all fake.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Putting aside the economic consequences of climate change there are other equally worrying outcomes; impacts on global food supplies, diminishing supplies of fresh water, conflict over fresh water, food and agriculturally productive land and inevitably population migrations.

In New South Wales, farmers were looking forward to their best crop in years, following a long drought, only to see it all washed away by floods.

1 minute ago, candide said:

Now, one question: there have been many court cases already, and they obviously did not convince you. If these new court ruling recuse again Trump's fraud claim, will you stop believing in the Big Lie? I think I already know the answer.

What chance have they got now that she's admitted her claims were lies?