Cherrytreeview

The doctor isn't saying what some posters on this forum have been spouting. 'All falling into place for tourist high season.' etc That particular poster seems to have disappeared. I wonder if he knows his utterances are absolutely devoid of facts or reality and he's being found out. Thailand has been in various degrees of lockdown since April. Thailand isn't going to surrender any gains by allowing a free for all through BKK. I have always thought that since the Delta variant arrived that the game had changed. If you are a farang who owns a tourist facing business in Thailand, then cut your losses and get out. Otherwise, you will burn what capital you have left. Get out now.

And couldn't care less about them. The lowest of the low.

Anyone with half a brain has been saying this whether an expat or not. You just have to look at the ebb and flow of the pandemic globally. If the bars etc open in November or December then a lot of saved expat money will ensure a decent income for farang facing businesses. If they have survived this long, then they will make it to the New Year. However, Thai landlords will be trying to recoup losses again. Not to mention key money. I also wonder will Thai wholesalers start putting prices up again for alcohol etc. Not exclusive to Thailand and this is another piece of the jigsaw that people aren't factoring in. Thailand is about to get a lot more expensive, whatever your budget. Who can blame them.

Reopening for tourism is booking a flight and showing your passport at immigration at BKK. What the Thai government considers as reopening will be completely different. 22nd September 2021, closed since April and still no clear road map to even opening bars etc.

Spot on. China is the big unknown going forward. They are still pursuing a zero covid policy, 21 day quarantine period and apparently revamping internal infrastructure for domestic tourism. The Thai property market needs Chinese buyers, i would think.

You wouldn't be going anyway, there's no ladyboys.

I'm talking about after the population is vaccinated. Try to read and understand what i have said.

You where unlucky. Just like the people who have had monsoon rains for the last few weeks in Thailand. Ireland's winters are not freezing their mild. Have been for decades. I go to Thailand when i want. Normally, during the Thai winter and spend spring and summer at home. The climate utterances of some chip on his shoulder baiting keyboard warrior is of no interest.

It's very simple but obviously not enough for you. Governments can do whatever they want. However, if the healthcare system cannot handle the numbers, then restrictions will be reintroduced. Just like Singapore just did after one week. Waning vaccines, poor or little immunisation for a sizeable minority of the population and those who refuse the vaccines will mean covid will always have a moving target. If enough people get sick and hospitalised restrictions will be introduced. That's a fact, no matter how many emojis you put after posts.

It's got nothing to do with governments. It's got everything to do with the pressure on a countries healthcare system. Beds taken up Covid patients needing intensive resources over a prolonged period, means less beds and nursing resources for 'normal' patients. The Thai government, quite rightly, won't allow this to happen.

The forum's resident deluded optimist, Professor Klutch, will be along soon to inform us this academic is misguided and needs Pattaya bell ringing retraining. Exceptionally depressing reading. If this is the 'new normal' then many may never return to Thailand.

You've used the word 'holiday'. Maybe endurance test to gain entry, followed by let's see what businesses have survived/are open and hope the rules don't change before or during my trip, might be more accurate. Anyway, hope you have a great time.

Yip and China has a large number of foreign deluded fools who apologise for them on a daily basis. You only have to look at this forum for evidence of it. Covid cases aren't going anywhere in Thailand. Thailand has gone from proactive track and trace to who gives a monkeys. Usual response from a country with a two minute attention span. Meanwhile, complete chaos reigns regarding borders reopening or anything reopening. I don't think Thailand's hiding figures, i just think it's a third world Chinese lacky.

Yeah, no big deal. People won't be booking any trips to Thailand this high season. Thailand is not 'reopening', it is implementing 7 + 7, kitten litterbox, sealed deal tourist trap or whatever the next buzz word bingo is. Contrary to Thailand's deluded view of itself, people will travel elsewhere, if at all and meanwhile more expats will, if they can, leave. Flip flopping rules and 76 different provinces with 76 jittery different bosses does not a covid exit strategy make.

Another ill informed post. The UK is not 'full to the brim with homeless and street people.' No one needs to be homeless in my part of the UK. If you cause trouble in the hostels then that is your problem and you will not be welcome. The UK government implemented a guaranteed 70% of wages furlough scheme during the pandemic. It has been recognised as one of the most generous worldwide. What has Thailand done for it's citizens? Nothing. Who feeds the homeless in Pattaya? A lot of expat farang business owners who get no help or support from the Thai government. Thailand good, UK bad is a tedious narrative trotted out on this forum daily. I like to split my time between both. You should know better.

That will get them booking their flights by the million. No one is travelling to Thailand under these flip flop arrangements. 76 different provinces with 76 bosses. Chaos in motion.

Domestic tourism will certainly help national Thai businesses but of no use to farang business owners in the tourist areas. Even before this years extended lockdown, they were barely covering their overheads. Now it seems TAT don't even think that BKK will be opening anytime soon for unencumbered foreign tourists to arrive.

As perfect a piece of writing you will ever read on this forum. The added bonus is it's driven the odious litlle Napoleon, Macron, up the wall. The French are furious. Anyone who has travelled extensively in SE Asia will know what the Chinese are up to. Let's see if the Chinese Premier even bothers to attend the climate meeting later this year. Unless the Chinese get on board, the global climate agenda is ruined. You only have to look at the property ponzi schemes, like Evergrande, the Chinese state is built on and their interventions, and manipulations of companies listed in China, to realise that the CCP is still a house built on sand. Thailand is a butler to the Chinese and will slowly be consumed.

Yeah, i remember those also. One was inscribed 'never listen to miserable old codgers who reply in riddles.' ????

Different day, different nonsense spouted by Thai civil servants. Entertainment venues are the last places that will open. They will be closing again within a few weeks of opening anyway. A few covid cases traced to Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, LK Metro or Walking Street and the neon signs outside will be turned off again. The new normal doesn't have 'entertainment venues' in its charter.

You have knowledge of risk assessment running a bar in Thailand? Do me a favour. Here's some risk assessment for you. China still has a 3 week quarantine regime. China is still following a zero covid strategy. China has enough on its plate with Evergrande, the giant property company in serious trouble. The Chinese won't be coming anytime soon. Thailand has 76 separate provinces with each one likely to do whatever it wants. Look at Koh Tao opening then closing within days. Imagine being a tourist on Koh Tao? You keep banging on about Phuket's shambles box being a success. 100,000 expected, at most 30,000 arrived with estimates of 6000 real tourists. People and travel agents aren't stupid. Test positive and your marched off to hospital. No central structure or coordination. Rules likely to change by the hour, let alone day. Quit while your ahead and get pennies on the pound and forget Thailand for 3 to 5 years.

Thailand locked down in April. Six months later the cases are slowly coming down, that's with strict curfews, restrictions and alcohol bans. No clear or organised plans on when or how to reopen the country to international tourists. One ministry contradicting the other and 76 provinces with the individual right to panic and change the rules at a seconds notice. It's a shambles. Just glad i didn't invest a dime in Thailand.

Don't worry about the doomers, worry about the Thai health care system being put under pressure again when Thailand opens up and vaccines start to wane. Singapore reintroduced restrictions within a week. Flip flopping won't inspire tourists to return. As expected.

Just be glad the UK government helped finance the AstraZeneca vaccine and a large part of global genome sequencing of the virus. AZ will help get large parts of the globe out of this mess including Thailand. Age demographics of the UK and Thailand are totally different, as is the way people live. The UK government also had a 70% furlough scheme to help businesses as well. Compare that to the aid that the Thai government has given it's people. Zero. The chinese vaccine purchasing in Thailand is as dodgy as it gets. What's Thailand done for the world during the pandemic apart from begging.

Do you own a bar in Thailand?