Hellfire

9 hours ago, jas007 said:

What I think doesn't matter. What matters is what Russia thinks. I don't have anything to do with any of that, but I do think that they may well be serious. Gambling with the future of the human race isn't such a good idea, in my opinion.

 

If you take a course on International Relations, you'll probably study game theory.  It's important in this context.  And the way you play the nuclear game?  You don't play.  That's the only winning strategy. 

  So you are ready for this KGB mouse to annihilate the future of humanity? This is really disgusting. But I am still sure putin is just bluffing. After all, even this despicable creature has children. You can scare Maga idiots. But they are minority. Glory to Ukraine and its heroes!

11 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Putin can stop the war any day now. 

He cannot stop anything. His stay in power (as well as his regime’s) depends on a result of this war. 

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It stopped being their own decision when they started forcing men to go to the front. Do all those Ukrainians hiding in Thailand think the war is a good idea?

Let me ask you. It is a night time. You are going home with your hypothetical granddaughter. Then there is a drunk Russian guy suddenly moving in your direction. He is big, he is strong, he is aggressive. What is your action? Will you calculate that you do not have any chances vs him and will run away leaving your g. daughter to deal with him? Reading your posts - this is exactly what you will do. Most of the Ukrainians are different. They are ready to die - if necessary. Not you and not even your orange clown will tell them what is the best way for them to act.

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Assess the risks and proceed accordingly. In my analogy, you're fighting a just cause with the manager while six Thais beat you senseless, escalating the situation further. If you spend years trolling your neighbor, believing the deceptive words of distant suitors, and basing your nationalism on hatred for your past and fellow Slavs, don't be surprised when the rest of the world refuses to start World War III to rescue you.

No comments on this russian BS propaganda piece.

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I'll go to my grave with a happy heart that I have never cheered on slaughter from the confort of my armchair. If I'm not prepared to die for it why should I will others ? Particuarly when many are being kidnapped in the streets and frogmarched to the front lines.

Do you think that most of the Ukrainians are at war because Zelenskiy told them so? They fight for their homes, for their families and for their dignity. Who are you to tell them what to do? Enough with stupid Moscow propaganda here.

10 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

 

A million lives have been lost or shattered on both sides—and for what? No one is better off than when it all began. The facts are stark, and the consequences undeniable. This isn’t theatre; it’s Slavic reality. And yes, he, along with Putin, has blood on his hands.

He entered the stage as a comedian; he exits in a tragedy.

 

 

He should have taken the ride.

 

What exactly Zelenskiy did to be blamed for this war and its victims? Did not surrender?

14 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Anything is possible, I'll grant you that.  But the likelihood?  Anyway, one thing I know for sure: a global thermonuclear war would probably not be a good idea.  The world as we know it would be over.  Is that your mindset? Ukraine wins or we end life on earth as we know it?  There wouldn't be much left, I'm afraid.  

So, do you believe that your Tsar’s decision to use nuclear weapons would be justified if Ukraine were to win on the battlefield?

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Calling me "stupid" won't win you an argument.  Whether you like it for not, the "surrender"" negotiations are currently under way.  In any event, if you seriously believe that armies could somehow be assembled to retake territory that's now part of Russia, perhaps you should talk to someone who knows something about fighting a ground war.  Armies would have to be assembled over a period of months.  They don't materialize out of thin air. And, once assembled, those armies need to be supplied.  

 

And yet Russia will not sit back and watch for months as the armies and equipment are put into place.  Nor will they tolerate the presence of supply lines.  Remember where all this is taking place. Right in Russia's back yard.  The USA and its equipment is far away, and EU has none, for all practical purposes.  They have a lot of hot air and they are delusional.  But you can't fight a war with hot air and delusions.  

 

Could NATO or the EU send in some paratroopers or whatever?  A small force?  Sure, but they would be on a death mission. How big is the front? Thousands of miles? 

  When the Germans reached Moscow in December 1941, the chances of the Red Army stopping them—let alone eventually winning the war—seemed slim. The Soviet Union was on the brink of collapse, suffering massive losses in manpower, equipment, and territory. Yet, against all odds, they managed to turn the tide.

  By comparison, Ukraine’s situation today, while difficult, is nowhere near as catastrophic as what the Soviets faced in late 1941. With sustained and well-targeted support from the West, the battlefield dynamics could shift significantly—and it may not take as long as some think.

4 hours ago, jas007 said:

 You ignore one simple but important fact: the war has already been won.  Russia won, at least to the extent that  no armies could now be assembled that could take back on the ground those territories that are now Russia.  The only question is whether that fact is recognized now, so that the killing may stop, or, would you feel better if another million young kids are fed into the meat grinder because you don't like Putin? In the end, we'll be right back here still trying to end it all.  

This is quite a stupid post. War is never won until it is actually won. Just 3 years ago putin’s soldiers were raping and killing in Kiev’s suburbs. Where are they now? So keep repeating these Kremlin’s mantras as long as you wish. It will change nothing.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

NATO expansion played a role in this war. 

I would say that this war played a role in NATO expansion (Finland and Sweden decided to join the alliance). 

Putin did express interest in NATO at various points, especially in the early 2000s. There were multiple instances where he inquired about Russia's potential membership or a closer partnership with NATO:

1. Early 2000s Discussions – In 2000, during an interview with the BBC, Putin said Russia could consider joining NATO if its interests were taken into account.
2. Talks with Bill Clinton – Reportedly, Putin asked then-U.S. President Bill Clinton about Russia joining NATO. Clinton seemed open to the idea, but nothing came of it.
3. Closer Cooperation with NATO – In 2001-2002, Russia engaged in deeper cooperation with NATO through the NATO-Russia Council, though it was never an official membership pathway.

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Strangely enough, Putin was not scared of NATO "expansion" some 20 years ago. And Russia was a much more poor and weak country back then. 

10 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Banderites are only a fraction of the resistance movements that grew in Ukraine during WWII.

 

It still does not explain how a supposedly nazi regime has a Jewish president.

  I lived in Ukraine in 2012-2013, and the idea that Ukrainians are "Nazis" is pure propaganda. They are among the least extremist people one can imagine. The fact that over 70% of Ukrainians elected a Jewish president—something Zelensky has never denied—speaks for itself. Meanwhile, Russia has far more Nazi sympathizers, and its current regime exhibits clear fascist traits: aggressive expansionism, suppression of dissent, state-controlled media, and a personality cult around Putin. The hypocrisy of Russian propaganda is staggering—they accuse others of exactly what they themselves embody.

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Hopefully Zelensky understands that Trump will throw even his best friends under the bus if it benefits him one iota, and it would be very surprising if Trump did anything to harm the interests of Russia and Putin. 

 

 

To be honest, most Russians will never truly like a U.S. president. Their Soviet-era mindset ingrains a deep-rooted hostility toward American leaders. At best, Trump can hope to be seen as a useful idiot. 

  The world has become a much greedier place. Money is idolized as the ultimate value in life, while its true purpose—as merely a means to an end—is forgotten. This mindset leads to dangerous extremes. Those who lack money (the vast majority) often see it as the key to solving all their problems. But this is a harmful illusion—one that erodes human nature itself.

Just now, jas007 said:

You think too much of Russia and Putin, I think.  Putin is a former Soviet KGB officer, for sure.  But, as you must surely  recall, the old Soviet Union couldn't even hold together its empire, back in the day.  It went bankrupt trying. Not only will they not make that mistake again, they don't need any of what the West has.  They have the largest land mass on earth, they have all the natural resources you could possibly imagine, and at this point, they simply want to be left alone.  The GDP of Russia is less than the GDP of Italy.  They are not a threat to the West, and they don't want to be.  

   Another absurd piece of Russian propaganda: “They simply want to be left alone”—while invading their neighbors.

   There’s no doubt that Russia has always had immense potential. But its failure to build a free society has repeatedly delivered it into the hands of dictators, preventing it from ever realizing that potential. And now, history repeats itself once again—this time, with a former low-level KGB officer playing his power games at the expense of millions of Russian people.

25 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Absurd and non-sensical? Except when it's true and is verifiably true.  The Russia Nuclear War Code, for example, which is law. Anyone can look it up. And yet you are now conveniently ignoring that fact you earlier labeled "Russian Propaganda."  LOL.

 

As for Ukraine "starting: the war?  Well it's a proxy war and was instigated by the USA years ago. You can thank the CIA for that. All done at the direction of the Neocons at the State Department.  I'll spare everyone the history lesson. 

  Yeah, sure. I’d love for Putin’s bots to make this crystal clear—so even the most oblivious MAGA supporters can grasp it. Putin isn’t just fighting Ukraine; he’s fighting the U.S. and the entire West. According to the Kremlin, Ukraine is nothing more than a Western proxy. So when these fools talk about “making peace” with Putin by surrendering Ukraine, they need to understand that his ultimate goal isn’t just a few Ukrainian territories—it’s the defeat of the West, bringing it to its knees. The roots of this ideology is deeply Soviet, the regime's which was once named "the empire of Evil" by one truly great US president of the past. Putin is a Soviet revanchist—the worst kind of them all: a KGB officer.

   Still, I doubt they (the MAGAs) will ever understand anything until it is too late!

7 hours ago, jas007 said:

So that's your way of arguing?  Calling everything you don't agree with or, more like that not, don't understand, "Russian propaganda"?  

 

It's all something that you can look up.  Much of it is nothing new.  

Russian propaganda is inherently absurd and nonsensical, built on defying even the most basic principles of logic. As a result, anyone who parrots it is quickly and easily exposed. Trump saying that Ukraine has started this war and Zelenskiy is a dictator - the best example of the Russian propaganda repeated.

30 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

All I'm going to say is that Trump has done more to get this war stopped than Biden, make of that what you will armchair warriors, now go to war if you choose.

 

No wars, no profits, isn't that right LoL

All I can say is that he is definitely trying hard… to make Ukraine lose this war. This kind of ‘peace’ will only encourage Putin to invade more sovereign countries in the future. And not only Putin.

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

During his first term, and likely under the influence of John Bolton, a card carrying Neocon, Trump cancelled some short and intermediate range missile treaties. And so now Russia is concerned with its strategic assets inside Russia being within proximity of those kinds of missiles.  It's part of the Russia strategic defense system and part of their "trip wire" system.  And whether you like it of not, and whether the EU or any other of Russia's neighboring states likes it or not, that's how Russia sees it.  That is the reality Trump is dealing with. The more Russia is surrounded, the more they'll push back and expand.

 

The best way forward?  Stop now and end the war. It's already over. Russia won and mo one can take back the territory they've returned to Russia. In other words, the West should quit while it's "ahead," so to speak. 

 Are you sure that your Tsar will not decide to attack other neigbours after successful attack on Ukraine? Estonia? Latvia? There is some Russian population there, a nice pretext for the another invasion. Also - very close to Leningrad and Moscow, all those Estonians only wait for is to launch a missile attack on Kremlin!

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Reality check time:  at this junction, neither the USA nor  any Europeean country that's inclined to get involved could successfully sustain a ground war against Russia and successfully retake what is now Russia.  Impossible.  Those are the facts.   Anyone who understands how armies work will tell you the same thing.   

 

And yet we continue to hear delusional nonsense from some European countries and from the head of the EU.  

 

In any event, Trump is a realist and wants the killing to stop.  Putin will not compromise on issues that are existential for Russia. No NATO for Ukraine, ever. No foreign boots on the ground, wearing a NATO costume or otherwise. And they are not going to cease the current offensive except in one very limited circumstance as agreed to by Putin.  

 

It's over.  

 

And now, the warmongers need a new "forever war."  The  Middle East fits the bill, I think.  And that one will be big trouble. 

 Next, I suppose, is an attack on Finland and Sweden. Both obtained NATO membership while Putin was countering the ‘existential threat to Russia’—a threat that was merely a hypothetical possibility—of Ukraine joining NATO. Additionally, the Baltic states, once part of the former empire, have been NATO members for over 20 years. Then there’s Poland, also former Russian empire territory and a NATO member. This presents numerous ‘existential threats’ for Russia and potentially many wars ahead. Is the ‘orange clown’ prepared to pacify Putin and his feelings of being threatened by almost all of Russia’s neighbors?

P.S. one must be a true MAGA village-idiot to believe these tales of Russian propaganda about their country (a nuclear superpower) being existentially threatened by its small neighbors without nukes. And these are the same small countries which were constantly terrified by the Russian Empire over 3-4 centuries (never the other way around!).