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9 hours ago, bunnydrops said:

It seems that English is not your first language and it is hard to understand what you are asking. Let's clear things up.

Are talking about one person who came into the UK on a UK pp.?

Does this person have both Thai and UK PPs?

 

If you are a Thai citizen and you enter Thailand with  UK PP. Thailand will label you as UK citizen, and you will need a visa or visa on arrival. You will then have to leave on that PP at the end of the visa even if you are also a Thai citizen. If you enter on Thai PP, Thailand sees you as Thai. You can stay in Thailand as long as you want. Then when you leave you use your Thai PP to board the plane. Then when you arrive back in the UK, you show your UK PP at UK immigration. It will not matter if it is close to expiring since you are not traveling on it.

Yes, as I stated in my original post, this is a person with a Thai and a UK passport leaving England for Thailand, and returning later before the UK passport expires. They have done this several times before and I am aware of the procedure. It is just the under 6 month validity in the UK passport that I wanted to make sure would not cause a problem in this scenario. From my understanding and indeed my own logic, it should be fine. Sadly, people don't always act logically. I know that you can return to your home country with an expired passport as well.

11 minutes ago, nglodnig said:

You seem to be confusing yourself.

 

a) British citizens can enter the UK with ANY British passport, expired or not (this is international law I believe a country cannot refuse a citizen entry)

 

b) Who do think is doing the checking? It's the airline - so you show them the Thai passport when you leave the UK, but actually show the BRITISH passport to the Immigration person or machine or whatever IN THE UK.  Arrival at Thailand you show the Thai passport. It's really simple.

 

The airline isn't following you to make sure you use the same passport! Airlines are liable to return you if you are not allowed in a country which is why they do checks

I am not confusing myself, I am seeking confirmation that the scenario I described would be ok for a person who has a Thai and British passport with the latter having less than 6 months left. I know which passports are shown but I thought the airlines might still refuse if they see the British passport had less than 6 months validity, even though to me that would not make sense as the person has a Thai passport going to Thailand. Of course the arrival into England at immigration is with the UK passport and also to depart. The Thai passport is shown and check-in. Likewise the Thai passport is used to enter and depart Thailand. 

As for a) above, I am aware of this but I was more worried about the departure from the UK being an issue with staff, even though it should not.

Regarding b) Yes, it it is the airline staff who check both passports in the UK upon check-in and the immigration staff at departure. 

Thanks

7 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Thailand doesn't have a 6 months rule, it just requires a passport that is valid for the duration of the visit.  Unfortunately, a lot of airlines (and agencies) err on the side of caution and might not let you check in.

It does according to the UK government website...

5 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

He died several months back. Missed!

OMG so sad and what a loss. My thoughts are with his family and friends. He was extremely knowledgeable and helped me. RIP.

@ubonjoe maybe you in your wisdom can help on this. Thanks in advance as always.

15 minutes ago, nglodnig said:

The person show their Thai passport when checking in in the UK. When fly

The person show their Thai passport when checking in in the UK. When flying back shows their (soon to be expired) British passport as this  is ALWAYS valid (even if it is expired) to enter as a British citizen.

So, you are saying in the exact circumstances I have described, that there is no issue even though they entered the UK on their UK passport? I such an instance won't why depart England on their UK Passport? In which case, is it their UK passport that is checked for this 6 month rule or the destination country, in which case of the person has citizenship, like in this case, it would not matter as they are legally entitled to enter Thailand on their Thai passport.. Also,upon return to the UK, on a passport less than 6 months its still ok as they are also a UK citizen, of that makes sense?

12 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

Not UK but US. My wife dual citizen, flies out from US on Thai PP, enters Thailand Thai PP, leaves Thailand Thai PP, enters US US PP.

Yes, and the same here but imam talking specifically about UK and Thai passport holders and UK passport holders leaving the UK with elss than 6 months so your contribution isn't relevant to this specific question.. I understand that UK passport holders can travel to America with an expiry date of less than 2 weeks so long as their return ticket is befoee their UK passport expires.. However, the USA rules are quite different to Thailand and thw UK, hence the very specific question....

12 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

Just wondering, why wouldn't this person just renew the  UK passport now?  Takes little time and then any issue is avoided.

When I said less than  6 months it is less than 2.months. Regardless, the question is still a valid one.

I am not sure where to post this as there is a Thailand travel forum but this relates to international travel between the UK and Thailand.

UK citizens are required to have more than 6 months left on their passport when traveling to certain countries, one of which is Thailand. I believe if UK citizens have less than 6 months left on their passport at the time of their departure from the UK, then they may be denied departure depending on what country the are visiting. For Thailand, this is 6 months...

However, what happens if the person is a dual citizen of the UK and Thailand and their UK passport of say 3 months months but they have a valid Thai passport and they are planning to return to the UK before the expiry of their UK passport.

I such a situation, would the said person be refused travel from the UK? To me, they should not as they have a valid Thai passport and a right to live in Thailand. As for returning,I understand that all UK citizens are allowed to return to the UK even on an expired passport.

Hence, the question is... Is there any legal reason why in this scenario someone would not be allowed to travel to Thailand?

Hopefully, some other TV members have experience in this as I have googled it but not found a clear answer. I do intend to call the British and Thai Embassies to check, but wanted to put it out here to the TV experts first.

Thanks in advance.

Badly need rain and nothing forecast for about the next week or so..... 😞

Thanks for all the responses, I will try some out for sure. Maybe I wasn't clear so apologies but I wanted baguettes, etc from a bakery not readymade or eating at a cafe. I might not be able to make tortilla's but I can make my own baguette sandwich if I have the baguette of course! 😉

Now, where should I go today..... mmm

50 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

If one cannot find "decent coffee" in Chiang Mai, one isn't putting in much effort.  Map of Chiang Mai coffee shops:

 

 

Way too many, shows a lack of business ideas by most people.  Some, sorry many I see are empty most of the time.

Does anyone know where to buy fresh flour wraps in Chiang Mai please? I don't recall seeing any in the bakeries I have been to.

Secondly, any recommendations on crusty baguettes? I tried one from Nana but it wasn't crusty. I usually buy them from Big C Extra. I find them ok, but prefer something the outer coating to be a bit thicker and crustier, fussy guy that I am.

As I am on here I will ask for bagel and croissant recommendations too!

Thanks 

8 minutes ago, Yorkshire Tea said:

 

I normally do one outside the gate & one in the garden with house in both shots.  Do you think that would that satisfy their "2 angles"?

I guess so but then again who knows, this is Thailand and not all immigration officers act the same.

Renewed my one-year visa yesterday. Now they require photos from two different angles outside your home - not sure why. So, we had to go home and take more photos but the lady was very nice and said she would process it provided we dropped the photos off later which we did. She could have easily said come back and wait in line again - a refreshing change. We arrived at 0715 and were 5th in the queue and finished around 1045.

Go back on May 17th.

Also, she told us not to sign original documents like the bank statement/certificate and the proof of marriage certificate - only required on copies apparently.

Have any members recently been to immigration. Wondering what the current waiting times are for spouse visa renewals without an appointment. It seems spouse visa holders with a permanent residence documents cannot use the VFS online service sadly.  Thanks in advance

24 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

No problem entering Thailand on a Thai passport BUT its possible he/you may be asked how you were allowed to board the plane ? obviously he has the UK passport, but it may lead down the same rabbit hole of questions etc.

 

Technically nothing wrong in what you suggest.(AFAIK)

Many thanks, I love rabbit holes and conspiracy theories....

I read an old article that suggested this is possible. Our son has a British and Thai passport and I wondered if he could leave the UK on his British passport and enter Thailand on his UK passport based on the post.

Yea, I know he can enter on his UK passport but then he would have to jump through all the hoops us foreigners have to.

Secondly, if possible, is there a time limit on the expires passport, e.g. within 6 months @ubonjoe

Thanks in advance 

7 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

Where will you deliver the services from, inside Thailand?

It's not me, but someone else.  Anyway, the person has been living in Nepal but being paid as an employee from a Thai company.  I don't think income tax can be paid in Thailand as I understand you need a visa, Thai address, etc for that. Which leads me to assume that no tax would have been paid, and the person should instead be subject to a withholding tax deduction from their salary.  All very complicated I know.

But, if they are treated as a consultant for tax purposes can they then still be an employee?

Thanks everyone for the replies.  It's not a question to avoid paying tax, I wish to find out the correct treatment for tax purposes.

I just wondered if income tax should be deducted and paid in Thailand.  If it is not then I would expect the person to be treated for tax purposes within Thailand as a consultant and hence withholding taxes deducted.  I just find it a peculiar situation as a lot of people are doing the opposite, i.e. working in Thailand but employed by an overseas company.

This is I suspect an unusual case. What are the implications of living outside of Thailand, working remotely for a Thai company. 

1) Is it possible to have an employment contract or should a person be regarded as a consultant?   

2) If a consultant then I assume withholding tax would be deducted from any services provided?

3) Would the person be liable to pay tax to Thailand?

Thanks 

Counts as wrongful dismissal.  Not sure you can claim for part (2) in your post that is outside of wrongful dismissal. They must pay your holiday.

1 hour ago, n00dle said:

What makes you think they are lying to immigration?  You have already suggested they are legally taxed on the bulk of the income. Dual contracts are very commonplace in the expat community.  What do you imagine the heinous crime here is? Then of course there is the fact that immigration has absolutely nothing to do with taxation. 

I know they are lying, I got told that they submit the lower value and then in their regular interviews with immigration they are asked how they can live on the lower amounts. Yes immigration and tax departments aren't linked like a lot of departments in TH.  The whole thing just doesn't make sense. I am sure immigration wouldn't care if they earned more which is why it has me flummoxed.

Thanks for all the replies.. Doesn't seem to be a clear reason so moving on....

What would be the consequences of carrying out such actions? I am guessing these are serious offences, I mean Inca not think of much worse than lying to immigration.

Guessing we are talking severe fines, possible imprisonment and of course bans from Thailand right?

4 minutes ago, n00dle said:

 tax liability

but taxes are paid on the higher salary so this isn't the reason.  Maybe just plain dumbness?