Henri

" I'm in Spain now and we were able to get my Thai girlfriend a Shenzen visa to come over and visit. She picks it up in a few days and she is permitted to travel to Madrid and the other Shenzen nations. I'm curious about some logistics if anybody can help.

Specifically, how soon after she arrives can she leave Spain and is she allowed to re-enter? Is her Visa the same as mine (I'm American) where I am allowed to freely roam around the EU countries as I please, or are there restrictions?

What I'd like to do is leave now (bored of Paella...) and go to Holland and have her catch a flight from Madrid to Holland when she arrives and meet me over there. Is that possible? Would she then be allowed to go with me to France and back to Spain later? "

The above was the OP's question.

The point is that anyone, applying for a 'Schengen-country' Visa has to apply one for the (first and most important) main destination, whether for Spain or Holland (or any other Schengen country).

BUT, if for one reason or another the traveler WITH a Schengen Visa, lands for instance FIRST in Germany, there is NO problem.

The traveler can even decide, after landing by plane, to travel further by train or car to any other Schengen country.

He/she could even be forced to do so because of extreme weather conditions like closed airports, strikes or any other circumstances.

Customs/Border Police etc. would NOT stop the traveler with a Schengen Visa.

The OP can travel with his Thai girlfriend to any Schengen country. The GF can also leave from any Schengen country, back to LOS.

So, the answer to the OP's -LAST- question is: YES, no problem as long as she (he) shows there is a return ticket.

LaoPo

The point is not that anyone, applying for a 'Schengen-country' Visa has to apply one for the (first and most important) for the main destination, as you will be told at every embassy, but the first point of entry. In case you have a main destination than this is also automatically your first point of entry. You can, however, also apply for a Schengen visa without a main destination, as you can read in my previous reply.

When OP's GF applied for a Schengen visa at the Spanish Embassy then her first point of entry MUST be Spain. Immediately after arrival she can go anywhere she like and has no further restrictions.

In case she buy a ticket to Holland, for example, then the airline company will not give her a boarding pass with a Schengen visa issued by the Spanish Embassy since her first point of entry MUST be Spain. So no reason for Immigration or police in the Schengen area to stop her since she will not be allowed to board the plane

When you think this is not the case please call a Schengen embassy and/or read what IATA writes. The rules which apply for airline companies are laid down in IATA. You will see that the airline company will have to fly her back home in case her first point of entry is not the same as stated on her Schengen visa.

If you think you can just try , I give up.

Hello Sjaak,

I didn't visit the site buitenlandsepartner.nl yet, however, I copied this from the site of the Embassy of The Netherlands. You know where to find it.

You can also look at the site of Ministerie van Justitie in The Hague. I worked here before, that is why I told you about the SIS database which is partly available worldwide for Embassies and Immigration when screening passports and visa applications. It contains among others, names, photos, sofi numbers, passport numbers, deportations, at which embassies, where and when, you have applied for a visa and if it was granted or not, etc..

Here the text about the Schengen Visa, main destination means also first point of entry.

Where should you apply?

1. if you intend to visit the Netherlands as a particular Schengen country, you must apply at the Embassy of The Netherlands.

2. if you intend to visit several Schengen countries, but the Netherlands is your main destination, you must apply for a visa at the Embassy of The Netherlands.

3. if you intend to visit several Schengen countries but do not have a main destination, if the Netherlands is your first point of entry you should apply for a visa at the Embassy of The Netherlands.

4. if you do not need a visa for the Netherlands as a particular Schengen country of your main destination or first point of entry, please note that you may require a visa for other Schengen countries you wish to visit. You should then apply at the Embassy or the Consulate General of the first Schengen country you require a visa for.

I will visit the site you mentioned tomorrow. Wonder what they are saying, coz there is always a Schengen officer present during the check in for a flight to a Schengen country. Take a look next time when you leave from BKK, you can't miss him

...Please note that the recipient of the Schengen visa must (MUST) enter the Schengen states via the country that issued the visa... No ifs, ands or buts on this one.

What makes you so sure about this?

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Maestro

ChelseaBill is completely right. The first country of entry for the recipient of a Schengen visa must be that of the issuing country. No discussion possible about this. Hereafter you can travel freely within the Schengen area and you can fly home from any Schengen country you wish.

In case you try to enter the Schengen area in another country than that of the issuing country, in this case Spain, buy a ticket to let say Belgium, and try to get a boarding pass at the airport. However, the airline company will call Immigration (not the Thai) instead, who will take you apart with a lot of questions , besides, you will now get a remark behind your name in the SIS (Schengen Information System) which will make future visa applications more difficult.

If you doubt about this call any airline company or (Schengen) Embassy.

The information from Sjaak in Nederland is incorrect. His partner has a Schengen visa issued by The Netherlands, so his first country of entry must be The Netherlands.

thanxxx ... do i need to have a outbound ticket from thailand to get the 30 days -- ie i have used my 60 day tourist visa, i go to malaysia and then re-enter thailand for my 30 days,do i have to show that i will be leaving in 30 days time in order to qualify for that 30 day visa?

If you go to Tak, walk over the bridge to Myanmar and pay there 500 THB to immigration. Then you walk back again to Thailand and immigration gives you a new 30 days stamp in your passport. No return ticket or questions there. They only check if you don't exceed the 90 days iin 6 months

When a foreigner gets married to a thai in Thailand what paperwork is issued after being married? A marriage certificate? A marriage license?

Which paperwork is considered to be a legal document in that you can show it to show proof of your marrigae?

The marriage certificate you got from the Amphur is Kor Ror 3 and approved in Thailand as a legal document to show proof of your marriage.

However, if you want to register your marriage in your home country to you have to ask at the Amphur where you married for a Kor Ror 2. This document they will give you only once.

Both documents must be translated into English and certified by the Ministry Of Foreign Affairs in Bangkok, after which you can register your marriage in your home country.

I married 3 months ago and this is what my embassy told me. In case you don't want to register your marrige in your home country than you don't need the Kor Ror 2.

Hope this information is useful for you