brazil

interesting synopsis with the missed bullseye

lets just think for one moment that if the brainwashing continues by the thai authorities, this would enhance the southern extremists for further attacks?

as they now know the weakness

i have a friend who lives in soi 93 suk

his family on the 3rd jan witnessed an arrest along with other such witnesses by the local police(prakanong) of a man with a back pack. When arrested the man spoke in a malay dialect. the officers opened the bag to find a couple of bombs.

this was near the famous temple near 101 suk

now he reported this to a friend who works for a national newspaper.

still the story cannot be printed as the prakanong police are now denying any such arrest!!!!!!!!!!!!

GUYS whatever you think thats each and every persons right.ok

but right now the thai media and thai authorities are brainwashing the public and that includes you and i

and that is the reason for that aussie article

because the aussies have every right to highlight the @@@@ BY JI even if asian counterparts are so embroiled in their own corruptive ways, they forget that people need the real truth not the B#33SE$4T

THIS IS BY THE HUDSON CENTRE OF ISLAM!!

The Thai National Security Council has acknowledged the existence of “a new Islamic grouping” that, “through increasing contacts with extremists and fundamentalists in Middle Eastern countries, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines,” has “metamorphosed into a political entity of significance.” [3]Thai intelligence also now speaks of the insurgency as being a “pondok-based” movement. [4] As the former commander of Thai forces in the south said, “There is no doubt that the basis for this new insurgency is the ustadz [islamic teachers]. This is something that has been in the making for a long time.” [5] Beginning in December 2004, the Ministry of Justice’s Special Investigations Department has launched a number of raids on five different madrasas and arrested or issued warrants for Islamic teachers from the Thammawittaya Foundation School and the Samphan Wittaya School. [6] The evidence suggests that these schools, ustadz and radical students hail from the old BRN organization and networks established in the 1970s.

Evidence pointing to JI links is limited, but there are still at least five reasons to be suspicious. First and foremost, JI approached both the GMIP and Jemaah Salafi in 1999-2000 and invited them to a series of three meetings known as the Rabitatul Mujahideen, but it is unknown how deep or strong a relationship was forged. Hambali, JI's operational chief and a senior member of al-Qaeda, was of course captured in Thailand, along with his two lieutenants, Zubair Mohamad and Bashir bin Lap (Lillie) who were charged with perpetrating a major terrorist attack in Bangkok. Lillie was arrested along with a local Thai mujahid, Awang Ibrahim. Secondly, a Singaporean JI member, Arifin bin Ali, was captured in Thailand where he was allegedly plotting to hijack an Aeroflot jetliner to crash it into Singapore. Thirdly, several southern Thai militants were arrested in conjunction with a JI cell in Cambodia that was implicated in laundering money for al-Qaeda through the Om Al Qura Foundation. Fourthly, one of JI's leaders and a key planner of the October 2002 Bali bombing, Ali Ghufron (Mukhlas) was given refuge by Thailand's leading Wahhabi cleric, Ismail Lutfi. Moreover other JI members have sought refuge in southern Thailand. Fifthly, two Indonesians were killed in the April 2004 siege at the Krue Se mosque and an Indonesian employee of the charity Medical Emergency Relief Charity (MER-C), which was implicated in JI and support of JI-linked paramilitaries in the Malukus and Poso, Indonesia, was arrested and deported. Likewise, a Syrian is now wanted by the Thai authorities in connection with the Hat Yai bombings. There is also greater concern that Bangladesh's HuJI and the Rohinga Solidarity Organization are actively supporting the militants.

I believe we have met before? Were you not the guy giving the sales pitch at the Amway convention?

like your comment

it goes well with my bottle of wine

sour but fruity

What are you drinking? The Thai version of Boones Farm or MD 2020?

1989 bordeaux grand cru

my grandmother always bought the boones for me. wow, are YOU really that OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

Evidence pointing to JI links is limited, but there are still at least five reasons to be suspicious. First and foremost, JI approached both the GMIP and Jemaah Salafi in 1999-2000 and invited them to a series of three meetings known as the Rabitatul Mujahideen, but it is unknown how deep or strong a relationship was forged. Hambali, JI's operational chief and a senior member of al-Qaeda, was of course captured in Thailand, along with his two lieutenants, Zubair Mohamad and Bashir bin Lap (Lillie) who were charged with perpetrating a major terrorist attack in Bangkok. Lillie was arrested along with a local Thai mujahid, Awang Ibrahim. Secondly, a Singaporean JI member, Arifin bin Ali, was captured in Thailand where he was allegedly plotting to hijack an Aeroflot jetliner to crash it into Singapore. Thirdly, several southern Thai militants were arrested in conjunction with a JI cell in Cambodia that was implicated in laundering money for al-Qaeda through the Om Al Qura Foundation. Fourthly, one of JI's leaders and a key planner of the October 2002 Bali bombing, Ali Ghufron (Mukhlas) was given refuge by Thailand's leading Wahhabi cleric, Ismail Lutfi. Moreover other JI members have sought refuge in southern Thailand. Fifthly, two Indonesians were killed in the April 2004 siege at the Krue Se mosque and an Indonesian employee of the charity Medical Emergency Relief Charity (MER-C), which was implicated in JI and support of JI-linked paramilitaries in the Malukus and Poso, Indonesia, was arrested and deported. Likewise, a Syrian is now wanted by the Thai authorities in connection with the Hat Yai bombings. There is also greater concern that Bangladesh's HuJI and the Rohinga Solidarity Organization are actively supporting the militants.

I believe we have met before? Were you not the guy giving the sales pitch at the Amway convention?

like your comment

it goes well with my bottle of wine

sour but fruity

Evidence pointing to JI links is limited, but there are still at least five reasons to be suspicious. First and foremost, JI approached both the GMIP and Jemaah Salafi in 1999-2000 and invited them to a series of three meetings known as the Rabitatul Mujahideen, but it is unknown how deep or strong a relationship was forged. Hambali, JI's operational chief and a senior member of al-Qaeda, was of course captured in Thailand, along with his two lieutenants, Zubair Mohamad and Bashir bin Lap (Lillie) who were charged with perpetrating a major terrorist attack in Bangkok. Lillie was arrested along with a local Thai mujahid, Awang Ibrahim. Secondly, a Singaporean JI member, Arifin bin Ali, was captured in Thailand where he was allegedly plotting to hijack an Aeroflot jetliner to crash it into Singapore. Thirdly, several southern Thai militants were arrested in conjunction with a JI cell in Cambodia that was implicated in laundering money for al-Qaeda through the Om Al Qura Foundation. Fourthly, one of JI's leaders and a key planner of the October 2002 Bali bombing, Ali Ghufron (Mukhlas) was given refuge by Thailand's leading Wahhabi cleric, Ismail Lutfi. Moreover other JI members have sought refuge in southern Thailand. Fifthly, two Indonesians were killed in the April 2004 siege at the Krue Se mosque and an Indonesian employee of the charity Medical Emergency Relief Charity (MER-C), which was implicated in JI and support of JI-linked paramilitaries in the Malukus and Poso, Indonesia, was arrested and deported.

Splinter group by definition is not part of PULO.

In 1995, Nasoree Saesaeng, an Afghan war veteran, formed a splinter group of the PULO, the Movement of Islamic Mujahidin of Pattani (GMIP).

indeed PLUS will you follow the advice of TIMTANG and wake the @@## UP

The Thai Islamic groups have extensive links with Kumpulan Mujahidin Malaysia (KMM), a group that also belongs to Rabibat-ul-Mujahidin. KMM operates just across the border in Malaysia and carries out joint training with the Thai groups

In June 2003, Thai security forces arrested three Jemaah Islamiyah members in Narathiwat province who were planning a bombing campaign against the embassies of Australia, Britain, Israel, Singapore and the United States. The Thai Islamic religious teacher, his son and a doctor were working with a Singaporean member of Jemaah Islamiyah, Arifin bin Ali, and were also planning to attack the tourist areas in Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket

SO PLUS YOU THINK JI ARE NOT CONNECTED IN ANY SUCH WAY TO THE SOUTHERN UNREST BY HELPING AND TRAINING SUCH GROUPS!!!!!

MAYBE THE AUSSIE NEWS REPORT DETAILING THE NAMES OF THOSE INVLOVED AND THAT PULO ARE DENYING IS SPOT ON THE MARK

OR MAYBE YOU ENJOY BEING BRAINWASHED LIKE ALL THE OTHER MUPPETS WHO CANNOT SEE CLEARLY A NEW BEGINNING OF URBAN WARFARE BY THE SOUTHERN PARTIES

LIKE TIMTANG HAS STATED THEY HIT WHEN MORALE WAS LOW USING NEW TACTICS FOR WHICH HAVE STARTED TO BE USED RECENTLY IN THE SOUTH AND ARE DIFFERENT IN THEIR PREVIOUS TACTICS OF BOMBINGS AND KILLINGS.

So why don't they claim responsibility?

why do they deny having any such links to JI?

ISNT THAT THE REAL QUESTION!!!!

if so many international security organisations have shown details of their affiliations with JI, so why PULO and others alike deny any such links!!!!!!!!!

maybe PULO have a history of denial in their campaigns!!

if people believe that PULO is some local organisation with guys with pitchforks fighting for freedom then maybe we should rename this site www.villageidiots.com

Splinter group by definition is not part of PULO.

In 1995, Nasoree Saesaeng, an Afghan war veteran, formed a splinter group of the PULO, the Movement of Islamic Mujahidin of Pattani (GMIP).

indeed PLUS will you follow the advice of TIMTANG and wake the @@## UP

The Thai Islamic groups have extensive links with Kumpulan Mujahidin Malaysia (KMM), a group that also belongs to Rabibat-ul-Mujahidin. KMM operates just across the border in Malaysia and carries out joint training with the Thai groups

In June 2003, Thai security forces arrested three Jemaah Islamiyah members in Narathiwat province who were planning a bombing campaign against the embassies of Australia, Britain, Israel, Singapore and the United States. The Thai Islamic religious teacher, his son and a doctor were working with a Singaporean member of Jemaah Islamiyah, Arifin bin Ali, and were also planning to attack the tourist areas in Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket

SO PLUS YOU THINK JI ARE NOT CONNECTED IN ANY SUCH WAY TO THE SOUTHERN UNREST BY HELPING AND TRAINING SUCH GROUPS!!!!!

MAYBE THE AUSSIE NEWS REPORT DETAILING THE NAMES OF THOSE INVLOVED AND THAT PULO ARE DENYING IS SPOT ON THE MARK

OR MAYBE YOU ENJOY BEING BRAINWASHED LIKE ALL THE OTHER MUPPETS WHO CANNOT SEE CLEARLY A NEW BEGINNING OF URBAN WARFARE BY THE SOUTHERN PARTIES

LIKE TIMTANG HAS STATED THEY HIT WHEN MORALE WAS LOW USING NEW TACTICS FOR WHICH HAVE STARTED TO BE USED RECENTLY IN THE SOUTH AND ARE DIFFERENT IN THEIR PREVIOUS TACTICS OF BOMBINGS AND KILLINGS.

Just for clarification:

Porntip says Bangkok bombs different from southern explosives

Khunying Porntip Rojanasunant, acting director of the Forensic Science Institute, said explosives used in Bangkok bombs were different from those used by Islamic insurgents in the deep South.

She said she would present details of findings by her institute before making the details public.

source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingne...newsid=30023037

Also a little more detailed explanation

All eight Bangkok bombs likely made by same bombmakers

The explosive used in bombs at all eight sites on New Year's Eve was the same type and all were likely to have been made by the same skilled bombmakers, the commander of the police Office of Forensic Science, Pol Lt General Ek Angsananont, said Monday.

The objects used as shrapnel, such as nails and bicycle wheel bearings, were of the same size and attached to the explosives by the same technique, he said.

The type of the explosive will be positively known by the next week after confirmation by Australian explosives experts assisting the Office in identification process.

Fingerprints were found with explosives material found at two bomb sites at Gaysorn Plaza and the Pratu Nam Pier, but they have not matched any of those belonging to criminals in police records. Initial findings show that all eights bombs had no relation or similarities in terms of assembly techniques with those used in the deep South by Muslim insurgents, Ek said.

The Nation

One other item in the Nation which I can't seem to find the link for, reported:

A paramilitary trooper based in Narathiwat was arrested Monday near the Bangkok Railway station after police found he was carrying 12 homemade bombs

I can't remember the actual date of this but seem to recall it was sometime last year prior to the coup..

UMMM

another play to be acted out for the masses in the public theartre

PULO has a splinter group named GMIP

yes jinsa's report that GMIP was formed as a splinter group of PULO

The Movement of Islamic Mujahidin of Pattani (GMIP)

Brazil

PULO tries to maintain a moderate political appearance to present the kinder-gentler side. They would never admit to the bombing because it's not part of their agenda. But like all terrorist organizations they have a militant side which may very well be JI or their own equivalent which they distance themselves from politically, but plot and scheme together in the same local mosque.

This is all part of the Islamist MO. How many groups was Arafat a member of before PLO? All you do is make up a new name, kill a bunch of people, then the MSM eats it up and announces a previously unknown terrorist organization named "The Brothers and Uncles of Mohammed's Holy Blah Blah Blah claimed responsibility for the explosion." The real perpetrators get carte blanche while Joe six-pack swallows it whole and everything starts all over again tomorrow.

It's called low intensity war fare, or nickle-and-dime them to death, then hit them big time when they're weak and their moral is low.

We only have our selves to blame unless we wake up!

your statement rings a bell in my brain for sure.

they certainly hit when morale was low

whats so amazing is how this has slipped through the population hardly un-noticed. wow what a brainwashing job the media and thai authorities have done!

It is a start, but I am not sure I hold out much hope that anything will come of it.

What happened to the earlier report that Jemmah Ismalia are involved..............

All very contradictory.

PULO hAVE claimed that they have no association with JI

But a report on the southern problems in 2005 by Jinsa(jewish national security institute) details that PULO have a splinter group called GMIP for which is a member of Rabibat-ul-Mujahidin, an umbrella organization of regional Islamic groups. Rabibat-ul-Mujahidin was formed by Jemaah Islamiyah.

so like a similar thread on tv for which i have stated!!

if PULO is denying this affiliation!!

what else are PULO lying about?

Maybe all the brainwashing on thai media has eluded the folks living in the kingdom that maybe their is some truth in the report on JI in Bangkok

and surley this makes these arrests a lovely stage of acting for the next play of brainwashing by the thai authorities

Jemaah Islamiah would never claim responsibility because they choose to profess that they don't even exist. Even they're leader Abu Bakar Bashir, when asked if he is the leader, says no such group exists. Even the name Jemaah Islamiah, translates rather innocuously as "Islamic Group"; very non-descript.

Don't forget the most influential leader of this non-existent group, Riduan Ismuddin or more affectionately known as Hambali, was captured in Bangkok.

Note that no-one claims responsibility for any of the terrorist attacks in the south. This technique has served them well because each attack can appear to be an isolated event with no real enemy to focus on. Attacks are horrible heinous events one day, then forgotten the next. If there were headlines reading "JI or PULO kill 5 more", people would pay more attention and demand that this group be dealt with. The way it stands it would be politically incorrect to say "Islamists or Muslims kill 5".

Also note that the recent spate of coordinated bombings, in market places, Tea Houses, and 22-banks-in-one-day all resemble the recent Bangkok bombings; relatively small explosions, few deaths, and no claim of responsibility.

I don't think it would be a stretch to assume these bombing originated in the South.

The israeli institute for national studies on islamic groups(jinsa) states a report in 2005 that JI is very much involved in the south of thailand.

it states that PULO has a splinter group named GMIP for which is a member of Rabibat-ul-Mujahidin, an umbrella organization of regional Islamic groups. Rabibat-ul-Mujahidin was formed by Jemaah Islamiyah

and that 2005 december saw a plot uncovered to use bombs in bangkok by southern groups

now not one forum member can ever know more research knowledge than this group on global terror. This groups traces bank accounts, trails of groups to their leaders and affiliates.

and very funny indeed to see PULO state that they have no affiliations to JI

i wonder what else PULO are Lying about?

ITS A SHAM!!!

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/01/21...es_30024687.php

the brainwashing continues

well done to australia for having the balls to print this story

nows the time for the gov. to come out and tell the truth, the truth it has known for many days, but still continues to brainwash and hide these facts from its citizens

its disgusting!!!

very optimistic indeed

if indeed true and not just a over hashed sales pitch then anyone investing on the set under mai exchange might like to look at symbol BROCK, it specialises in phuket based property developments

interesting to note you are against any style of democracy in thailand

of course i am personal, as you have been personal in many of your armchair comments on this forum on those in power or loss of power without having any first hand experience of knowing such people.

in fact tv posters who are on thai tv will very much know thai generals as 2 tv stations are owned by the thai military

but as yet, you promoting fair government from military ranks, even though the thai military have countless corruptions remarks on its history, is very strange indeed

I have 167 news articles on Thaksin and Singapore alone some under an hour old on Google News. That's 4 pages of results and CNN had the story on the front page of their international site this morning, full video and all, I'm sure you didn't get that either as it was not flattering to Thailand in the least.

I can't duplicate your search but I said outside the region - there were articles from Taiwan, Philippines and Asia news network - local coverage. It still stays the same way - 3,606 results for Thaksin, only reuters story from outside the region.

CNN's single Thailand-Singapore story was filed two days ago, on Jan 15,under world/asia, nowhere near front page now.

http://edition.cnn.com/ASIA/

todays edition

i can see the interview on the front page under more news!!!

maybe the pro junta installed firewall on your computer might be causing you these search problems

Brazil, the way I remember your posts about anti Thaksin movement up to the coup, you didn't give a ###### about Supinya's opinions yourself.

Interesting plus

supinya has never been an enemy of my thought process

in fact

i would say i am very much on supinya's side

and certainlyi am not on the side of some of the armchair muppets which would very much include the anti-taksin muppets

a military coup is simple termonolgy=GREED

The smaller the mind, the greater the conceit!!

good

then please answer for s john as to why supinya is wrong to voice concern on freedom of speech in thailand?

you would rather answer for s john?

or for freedom of speech in thailand?

Google for the Supinya quote, it was in the Nation and the Post.

Sorry, but you got things a little backward... you were the one making the claim that she said that... hence the responsibility is on yourself to provide evidence of that... until then, it's an unverified and thus unbelievable claim.

*edit*

having now read the link provided by hammered, I think she's wrong in her assessment, mainly due to her focus on media freedom, which is understandable given that is what her NGO is about, but it doesn't take into consideration the many other issues which mark the previous despot's rule.

Supinya is a media freedom fighter in Thailand, and you are ?

if you have now taken over the role of fighting for media freedom in thailand from this woman, then state in every detail, how she is wrong?

SJ was making a point that if someone quotes from somewhere, then show the quote!!

Whats wrong with that.

s john can give everyone the exact points in every detail to which he feels supinya is wrong

after all his comment mentions the fact that he has read the article and feels she is wrong in her assessment.

then please tell us why she is wrong?

after all she is a media freedom fighter and s john is?

[Any more personal insults will result in a holiday. /Meadish]

Google for the Supinya quote, it was in the Nation and the Post.

Sorry, but you got things a little backward... you were the one making the claim that she said that... hence the responsibility is on yourself to provide evidence of that... until then, it's an unverified and thus unbelievable claim.

*edit*

having now read the link provided by hammered, I think she's wrong in her assessment, mainly due to her focus on media freedom, which is understandable given that is what her NGO is about, but it doesn't take into consideration the many other issues which mark the previous despot's rule.

Supinya is a media freedom fighter in Thailand, and you are ?

Edited - leave out the personal insluts please !

if you have now taken over the role of fighting for media freedom in thailand from this woman, then state in every detail, how she is wrong?

The present shah(the meaning as the last family to hold such a title in persia, whether or not the rightfull heir) and his website quote thailand as the 3rd largest place for which the iranian mullars invest their loot along with dubai and goa.

interesting that thailand was so slow in using these sanctions!!!!!!!

late 2006 and now 2007 the time of the facist right wing conservative segments of thailand gaining back their power

trying to ignite a now depressed economy

too late mr finance minister