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Do you know what the pink card is called in Thai?  Thanks for the advice.

Thanks for the replies.  Let me be more specific:

When I got the original tabiyan baan in Bangkok, I had to get a notarized copy of my passport from my embassy (US);

I then had to go through a procedure at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Chaeng Wattana that included an official translation of my name into Thai.

When all that was done, I had to fill out forms and be interviewed at the ampheur of my Khet in Bangkok, which eventually issued the yellow tabiayan baan.

The existing yellow tabiyan baan has the number of the house, which is the same for my tabiyan baan (yellow) and my Thai partner's (blue).  She is the owner of record of the property.

It also has (page 2) my "citizen" number (เลขประจำตัวประชาชน), which has a different format than a Thai number for easy identification.  It includes the Thai spelling of my name derived from the official translation document given to me at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Will I have to go through all those steps again?  And does my "citizen" number stay the same, as a Thai citizen's would, or will it also change?

Thanks in advance.

Meaning that the entire process is done over again de novo?  When you get a new passport, the visas in the old one are "ported over" to the new one.  It's not a simple affair to get the yellow tabiyan baan - I was hoping that the one I've got, and have had for some years, will simplify the process.  Anyone who has actually done this same thing in Rayong?

I have a Non-O Retirement Visa - 8 successful renewals from Chaeng Wattana, BKK.

I also hold a yellow tabiyan baan based on my residence at my Thai partner's town house in BKK.

She is selling that town house and when that is done, will transfer residence from BKK to Rayong.

What is the procedure for transferring or replacing my yellow tabiyan baan, and which forms/documents are required.

Thanks in advance for assistance.

I am arriving in BKK on 24 October with the intention of doing my retirement visa renewal.  Is there any official word on what the Immigration work schedule will be the week of and the week after HM's cremation?  Looking for hard facts, not guesses...

S.

Considering purchasing a house on 162 talang wah in Pattaya Tai. I would like to have it appraised by an honest broker before making an offer. Can anyone recommend such an appraiser?

Thanks in advance.

S.

I assume you were trying to cross at tSadao which has a history of telling people they need to stay overnight. I don't recall any other crossing trying to impose that incorrect requirement.

Yes it was at Sadao. I wish I had known of that "history", though that may not have solved the utterly bogus tale the Malaysian gave me about the windows being too dark. I know that there are regulations on window-darkening films - my car is bone-stock and many shades lighter than just about every car in the area at the time. It was just someone wanting to have some fun.

Again, my lessons: No more Malaysia, no more single-day turnarounds, whether by accident or by design.

Thanks for the info just what i was hoping tohear

I would not try it. Last year I crossed the border to Malaysia in my car en route to attend a Moto GP at Sepang. All papers in perfect order, car had the little passport, I have been in Thailand ten years, last five on a non-o retirement visa. The Malaysian authorities would not allow my CRV to get insurance because they claimed the windows were too dark. If so, that's the way they came - no film on them - and most of the other cars around me were much darker than mine. I chose not to continue with the trip without insurance, blowing off $300 in pre-paid hotel reservations and two sets of Moto GP tickets for another $150. Exited Malaysia, and was denied entry to Thailand by a horrible lady Immigration chief. She said re-entry was not allowed on the same day, and since Immigration was closing for the night, I'd have to either try to get back into Malaysia, or spend the night in no-man's land.

I will never set foot in Malaysia again, and I'll never try to get in and out of Thailand on the same day again. Yes, I have the 3,800 baht multiple re-entry permit, I am extremely polite, and I speak Thai adequately.

Spend an extra day in KL.

S.

did you get stamped into Malaysia and out again before being refused entry to Thailand

Yes, stamped out of Thailand, into Malaysia, out of Malaysia - blocked back into Thailand. All within about an hour.

You can enter and return in a minute if you wish.

Not my experience. See above.

You claim to be on a 'non-o retirement visa' for the last 5 years.

Is that an actual visa or is it annual extensions, with the 3,800 baht making the extension multi entry? Do you do 90 day reporting?

Slightly different to a one year multi entry non-O visa where the holder has to leave the country every 90 days (if they don't use any of the extensions available to certain reasons for the issue of the visa)

My visa is a non-o retirement visa that is renewed annually, at the discretion of Immigration - I'm on my fifth renewal. The B3,800 is the fee for making the extension multi-entry as opposed to single entry. I do indeed do 90 day reporting.

There does indeed seem to be a difference, as you've observed, though if I were in the OP's position, I'd stay over. It seems that a majority in the forum have had multiple positive experiences. I tried it once and wound up in a Kafkaesque nightmare that I'd not wish to repeat. Looks like there's not a single right answer.

You can enter and return in a minute if you wish.

Not my experience. See above.

Thanks for the info just what i was hoping tohear

I would not try it. Last year I crossed the border to Malaysia in my car en route to attend a Moto GP at Sepang. All papers in perfect order, car had the little passport, I have been in Thailand ten years, last five on a non-o retirement visa. The Malaysian authorities would not allow my CRV to get insurance because they claimed the windows were too dark. If so, that's the way they came - no film on them - and most of the other cars around me were much darker than mine. I chose not to continue with the trip without insurance, blowing off $300 in pre-paid hotel reservations and two sets of Moto GP tickets for another $150. Exited Malaysia, and was denied entry to Thailand by a horrible lady Immigration chief. She said re-entry was not allowed on the same day, and since Immigration was closing for the night, I'd have to either try to get back into Malaysia, or spend the night in no-man's land.

I will never set foot in Malaysia again, and I'll never try to get in and out of Thailand on the same day again. Yes, I have the 3,800 baht multiple re-entry permit, I am extremely polite, and I speak Thai adequately.

Spend an extra day in KL.

S.

I prefer to get there around 1145, get my ticket number, have lunch and browse, then back in at 1300 to wait. Depending on the day, this could cut your total time by an hour or more, if you are lucky.

Otherwise, i'd plan on collecting my ticket right after the lunch break, at 1300.

For US-based Verizon users: Verizon is now blocking access to your account information from outside the US. I wasted one hour this morning on a chat line, and basically was told that for my protection, I could not access my own account from outside the US. If I care to return to the US, I'll be able to access it, or, alternatively, they will mail (not email - too insecure) a copy of my statement to my US address of record and someone there could in turn forward it to me in Bangkok.

So, while you are not able to review your statement, you are also liable for paying your bill on-time, and for any late fees.

If you maintain a US phone number and check your billing statements before paying electronically, you are now out of luck. FYI.

It turns out that the seller believes it will take a week for the LTO in Phuket to issue the tabiyan rot (green book) with my name replacing the seller's. This is something that takes a few minutes in Bangkok.

Correct, changing the name takes 1h, a quite simple process.

No new book will be issued, your name will be in the same book on the next page

Thanks for the confirmation. I have pulled the plug on this purchase, and don't think I will regret it. Appreciate the advise from all respondents. Over and out.

1.If tambyon rot is green book, yes.

2. I've read in these forums that changing outside book & plate ==> Pattaya requires going to provincial office in Chonburi 2 or 3 times.

Costs not much more to have agency do it.

Perhaps more straightforward in big mango.

Thanks for this. It turns out that the seller believes it will take a week for the LTO in Phuket to issue the tabiyan rot (green book) with my name replacing the seller's. This is something that takes a few minutes in Bangkok. Since I don't have a week to sit around waiting in Phuket, and since I'm not inclined to take the bike out of Phuket without anything showing my ownership of it, I'm probably not going to go ahead with this transaction.

Next time I'll look for something closer to home, there are too many moving parts in this type of deal.

Tks all for your suggestions.

S.

I bought a bike in Samui.

Went to LTO there and transferred book into my name and paid seller.

Drove on that until road tax & insurance were due,

then had book & plate changed to local by Pattaya agency.

Took ~month to come back.

If you just pay the Phuket guy and get bike and have problem with papers @ BKK LTO, you are screwed sir.

Yes, the getting screwed part is what I'm trying to avoid. Let me clarify two points:

1. You believe that it will be possible to get the tabiyan rot for the Phuket-registered bike transferred into my name (with BKK tabiyan baan) while retaining the current Phuket registration and plate?

2. It seems that when you brought the bike back to Pattaya, you did not do the transfer from Samui to Pattaya yourself, but had that done by an "agency". If I'm understanding that correctly, why did you use an agency, and was it not possible to have done that yourself?

Tks in advance for your advice.

A variation on the question:

Do I have the option of going to DMV in Phuket with the Phuket-based seller and getting the tabiyan rot in my name THERE? This would mean that I, a BKK resident, would have a tabiyan rot and license plate from Phuket.

Can that, or must that, be transferred to BKK, and how easy is that to do?

I've reviewed the recent discussions on this topic, but want to make sure I have the correct information for my situation.

Which is:

I, the buyer, am a farang residing in Bangkok on a retirement visa. I have a yellow tabiyan baan here in Bangkok.

The seller is also a farang residing in Phuket on a valid work permit.

The bike is registered in the seller's name in Phuket.

I will go to Phuket and pick up the bike and the paperwork.

What do I need from the seller before leaving Phuket in order to transfer the registration without difficulty here in BKK.

Tks in advance for clear, concise, experience-based replies.

Thanks all, this is very helpful. Will give a first try to Thai Post.

Much obliged.

S.

I have personal items - books, papers, clothes, similar such effects - that I am not using here. Much I will give to others who could use them, but some things can be returned to the US where they will be useful to me.

Questions:

1. Has anyone done such shipping using the Thai postal service? If so, what are the rules and restrictions regarding weight, size, containers, etc.? How was your experience.

2. Does anyone have a recommendation for a shipping/freight company that can do things that the postal service does not do?

3. I have a few Buddha images, some of which I have brought IN to Thailand, and none of which are old or particularly valuable except to me. That would not guarantee an easy exit from Thailand, depending on the luck of the the Customs Official draw. How do you do the paperwork to ensure that you have no problems with hand-carried or checked luggage exit of such images?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

S.

Thanks to the link quietly put forward by JohnC, I am in fact now able to answer my own question. Or, more accurately, I am in a position to substantiate, with more or less official documentation, the fact that the 90 day clock does indeed reset when you return to the country. That is what I had believed before, and I now understand that I was unfairly fined and penalized by BKK Immigration when I acted in accordance with that belief. That will not happen a second time.

Next time I go to Immigration, I will be carrying the following, which is extracted directly from the Immigration web site - English version first, then Thai:

• If a foreigner leaves the country and re-enters, the day count starts at 1 in every case.
• เมื่อคนต่างด้าวเดินทางออกนอกราชอาณาจักร เมื่อเดินทางกลับมาให้เริ่มนับเวลา 90 วันใหม่ทุกกรณี

In case you speak but don't read Thai, here is a transliteration of the Thai:

Meua khon thaang daao deun tang awk nawk raat anajak, meua deun tang glap ma hai reum nub wela 90 wan hmai tuk karani.

​The link from which the above was extracted is here:

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days

This is exactly what I was looking for, and I offer my thanks to all of you who helped me to understand and substantiate this issue.

Regards to all.

S.

Perhaps you miscounted the 90 days or they made a mistake. They should of checked your entry date and counted from then or did you by chance have an old report receipt in your passport.

I did not miscount the days.

It is possible that I had an old report receipt in my passport, though I do not normally keep those receipts in my passport. In any case I would have provided the TM.6 which corresponded to the date of most recent arrival.

I recall us having a discussion about this - I did not just passively accept that I was in violation of the rule. I can read Thai and speak well enough to discuss this topic. Though obviously not well enough to have avoided the penalty.

If I take at face value the statements being made in this thread that in this case the clock is reset from the most recent re-entry (in this case, 29 September as opposed to 9 August), then I would wish to go to Immigration next time with official Thai documents that state the rule. Where would I find such a thing?

Tks much for all your help.

S.

You have answered your own question.

The 90 day period starts on the day you enter the country. If you don't leave the country at all you have to make the 90 report every 90 days.

If you leave the country and return the 90 day report time starts from the day you re-enter.

If you leave the country every time just before the 90 day period is up you never need to file a 90 day report as you have not been in Thailand for the full 90 days.

In which case, why was I fined and had my passport stamped the previous time?

Both responders have confirmed my understanding that the clock resets if you go out and return within a 90-day period. So I do not understand why I was penalized.

Is there an official reference that explains the process (in Thai and/or English) so that if I follow the procedure, I am not again penalized without cause?

S.

I am in my fifth year of one-year retirement visas.

I had been under the impression that the 90 day reporting clock resets if you go out and come back in within a 90-day period. For example:

Case One: I arrive in Thailand on 1 January. Assuming I do not leave, I have to file my 90-day report before 1 April.

Case Two: I arrive in Thailand on 1 January. I leave for one week and re-enter Thailand on 15 March. In this case, is my 90-day report still due by 1 April, or is the clock reset to 90 days from 15 March, which would be 15 June?

I thought that an exit/re-entry resets the clock, and in 2012 I went to Immigration in Bangkok accordingly before the end of the "extended" 90 day period. I was fined 2,000 baht and gained the entry in my passport for being in violation of the 90-day rule.

I am now back in the same situation, and am uncertain as to what to file, and when. The TM.47 requires that you provide the date of entry, and the number of the Arrival Card (TM.6).

I arrived in Thailand by air on 9 August 2014 and cleared Immigration with the second half of the TM.6. I left Thailand on 12 September - the second half of the TM.6 was collected by Immigration at the airport. I returned to Thailand on 29 September and cleared Immigration with the second half of a new TM.6.

So, following the logic outlined in Case Two above, is my next 90-day report due by 9 November, or by 29 December? If 9 November, which TM.6 number should I use? The one that I presently have, which shows a different date of arrival, or the original one from 9 August, which I no longer have. (Luckily I happen to have the number, though obviously not the document itself...).

I hope the above is explained clearly enough to be intelligible. I don't want to collect a second fine and stamp, but neither do I wish to go down there with the wrong documentation and spend hours only to find that I'm doing the wrong thing, or submitting the wrong docs.

Advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,

S.