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3 minutes ago, Spidey said:
Why didn't you have an embassy letter?
I shan't be extending until November, when Embassy letters will already have lapsed and be out of date eligibility.
So this was an enquiry as to exactly what they are looking for under the new system.
Better prepared than having to fly to the UK and start again...............- 1
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Information for the Group about my experience today asking about the detail of the new system for extending a Retirement Visa.
First off, This was at LOPBURI Immigration office.
I do the income based one - 65,000 per month. I ought to be OK for that barring exchange rate disasters......... And there's time for the system to settle for me - renewal in November.
I'm with Bangkok Bank, use their Bualuang iBanking and transfer money into Thailand from the UK with TransferWise.
I was very rapidly passed up to the senior officer. We all know each other over many years, so no personality issues. And Father in Law was with me.
The conversation was animated. I formed the strong impression they had not previously done an extension under the new system. Folders and directives were quickly resorted to.
I took with me a print out of my iBanking statement - which looks exactly like a UK bank statement. They were quite bemused by that. My Bank Pass Book got the thumbs up, though.
They were reasonably clear that they were looking for total "International Transfer" amount over the course of a full year. 12 X 65k is actually 780,000, but they said 800,000. I'm sure that would resolve with further discussion. They were not bothered by my money coming 13 X 4 weeks - they wanted the overall total.
I was certain they had not yet understood the availability of discretion for the first year.
They also said they were prepared to look at an account statement provided by the Bank.
I then went to the Bank to update my Pass Book. I don't usually do this. As I have iBanking and it's a 60 km round trip to the nearest place that can do that update, I generally rely on the iBanking on screen............
A PassBook update can, it transpires, only go back ONE month. So I have big gaps in my PassBook. So the bank did manual prints on headed A5 slips for the missing periods and stapled them into the PassBook........... That is going to be a nightmare for Immigration to read come the time...........
The good news is that "International Transfer" against a transaction seems to be sufficient. And Bangkok do record that against a transfer in from TransferWise.
Conclusion.
The easy path is to keep your Bank PassBook up to date. That seems like it is going to be readily accepted by Lopburi Immigration. Other solutions to demonstrating the transfers look like they might be challenging......
If you have been below the threshold of 65k per month to date, it is going to be acceptable to over-transfer later, so that the total transferred over the past year is above the 780k/800k.
My other suggestion is to have prints with you of the actual directives from Big Joke in the original Thai. I suspect that could be useful...........
I hope that assists people.
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As an aside to this for UbonJoe and for JackThompson.........
Savanakhet had led me to believe that the whole process could be done on the spot at my local immigration. So I was a bit disappointed with this extended sequence of actions explained more fully at Lopburi. I opined that perhaps it might be better to take another trip out of country and get a straightforward O-A Retirement at Vientiane/Savanakhet. Lopburi were VERY keen for me not to do that but to follow this process through them.
Maybe the mesage is getting through that a lot of farang are spending a lot of money OUTSIDE Thailand at Thailand's behest......
I would add that Lopburi is a positively exemplary office. Well laid out, pleasant officers, never a queue etc etc. Just a pity it's a 120 km drive... Us farang want everything, don't we... :)- 1
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Ta muchly, UbonJoe!
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Yes. That's exactly how I understood it, ubonjoe. The only bit that surprised me was the "legalisation" requirement for the Embassy Income letter bit......
Am I right that the legalisation service is done here.....???
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You and I both would have supposed so..... Savanakhet instructed me to do it this way and Lopburi thought it routine on Friday....... Strictly speaking, what they say they are doing is converting one type of Visa to another......... And that is apparently OK......
The bit with wider relevance is this requirement to validate the Embassy Income letter. Which is new to me. -
I attended my local Immigration Office in Lopburi on Friday 18th. I had, I thought, all documents to allow me to convert a single entry Tourist Visa ex Savanakhet into a one year OA "Retirement" Visa..... The office accepted that my UK Embassy Income letter was OK. But require it to be stamped as valid at ChaingWaettana before accepting it with the application.
That's news to me! Has it happened to anyone else?
The implication is that that would be necessary for all circumstances in which an Embassy Income letter is a required document........
I shall be visiting ChainWaettana tomorrow, then back to Lopburi thereafter....... I will report how I get on...... -
Thanks UbonJoe.
Worked that one out for myself already.... The question is, how do I track down the schools and courses...?? -
I have a friend who is a Swedish national aged 25 years. He wants to spend an extended period based on Kanchanaburi. I am in the role of search assistant (!)....
The most promising avenue seems to be to sign him up for a college course that would allow him to get an O - ED category visa (I think that's the right terminology - please correct me if wrong). But I haven't been able to find any listing of suitable courses.
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Thanks for that!
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I'm a UK citizen with a Thai family and have been living here continuously (bar visa runs) for a bit over three years. My partner is a bloke, so I can't show marriage eveidence. I live with his family - I've been coming to and fro for another 18 years. - and regard them as my own.
My OA Retirement visa expired at the end of January and I am unable to renew it because the combination of the collapse of the pound and the raising of the income threshold to 65,000THB means I'm below the requirement. All will be well again in July 2018 when my state pension kicks in.
In the meantime I am planning to do runs to Vientiane - the closest to where I live in rural Lopburi - getting a single entry tourist visa (they seem not to be prepared to issue multi entry) and exteding it at the local immigration office in Lopburi to give an effective 90 day between visa runs. I've done two runs so far.
I've heard rumour, but can find no evidence on line, that there is now a limit of two conscutive tourist visas from the same consulate.
That would well and truly screw up my plan.......
Firstly, is it true?
Secondly, any suggestions?
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djvolak especially, thank you all.
I really am with djvolak in saying not to quit. I wasn't brought up a quitter and quitting now is just going to reinforce all the negative worthless thoughts in Amnuay. It will therefore make me really unhappy. So self first - I'm not going to quit here until I've had a really good crack at solutions.
The medical input has been most interesting. It seems to me that it has a place here in giving the addict space to sort out the underlying issues.
Thanks again all
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Thannks all
ThePool, you're quite right. I also posted this in the health section, but without the gay reference. It just feels nicer to be able to be totally open here.
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Thank you all.
Yes, Jessi's advice is exactly what we are doing as a family. I am extremely fortunate to live in a rural area with as many as 100 close relatives in close proximity - the ultimate nightmare for the city dweller, but in these circumstances they constitute a huge support network.
Wat ThamKrabok does indeed look very promising and isn't a huge distance from here. Nevertheless, I echo all that has been said about the person needing to want to stop. That has yet to occour, but we've only just started on the cash withdrawal. That has quite clearly had the desired effect so far, but I reckon there's at least a month to go before the "rock bottom" position is reached.
The walk away option isn't really on my agenda after 13 happy years and I am fortunate in being able to compartmentalise my partner into with YaBa and before YaBa - so I can ignore all the insults etc with reasonable equanimity.
You are also right about the potential dangers. That's where the family support network comes in. I never sleep or do anything alone and we are all conscious of the potential hazards from my partner, the drug sellers and from complicit Police.
Your thoughts are much appreciated.
Chris
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Thanks for that. Yes I'm acutely aware of the potential dangers. We live in a rural community, so money is less easy to source than BKK, but I agree with your concern. I was hoping for some inspiration, but unsurprised by your response.
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It transpires that my boyfriend and partner of 13 years has developed a serious YaBa addiction.
Are any treatment programmes available through the state? With or without a prison sentence? Any available in the voluntary sector, eg through particular temples?
My reading to date suggests that any treatment programme has a limited chance of success. Anybody got any specific knowledge?
Obvious first steps have been taken already, eg cutting off money supply from all potential sources.
Chris
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It transpires that my partner has developed a serious YaBa addiction.
Are any treatment programmes available through the state? With or without a prison sentence? Any available in the voluntary sector, eg through particular temples?
My reading to date suggests that any treatment programme has a limited chance of success. Anybody got any specific knowledge?
Obvious first steps have been taken already, eg cutting off money supply from all potential sources.
Chris
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The Visa was obtained from the Thai Consul in Cardiff. It's a "retirement" visa, although I was unable to discern any criteria other than they wanted to know my income after tax. Mine actually fell slightly below the alleged threshold, but the Consul didn't seem too concerned by this. They took copies of recent bank statements to verify the income. I rang first and spoke to the Consul in person and this seemed to greatly ease the process.
Chris
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I am a UK citizen and have a non immigrant O 12 month multi entry Visa. I'd like to stay as long as possible, so clearly will be doing "visa runs" to renew my entry stamps (3 months at a time). When I get towards the end of the validity of my Visa, will the permitted stay until date extend beyond the Visa date?
In other words, can I do a journey outside of Thailand, return to the Thai border on the last day of validity of my Visa and still get a 3 month entry stamp?
Chris
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Thanks for that. Can't beat an unambiguous response!!
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After a certain amount of conflicting info from UK Embassy and Consul sites, I now have a one year multi entry non imm O visa in my UK passport. And to go with it a 90 day stamp on arrival at Suvanubhumi. The conflicting info didn't end at obtaining the Visa, but appeared to give new requirements for renewal of the stamp once in Thailand - I'm here for 6 months.
I've had a good look around in this section and I haven't found what I think I'm looking for, so:
- I used to simply pop up to Nong Khai (we live quite near there) and do a land run across the Friendship bridge into Lao. Will that still produce a 90 day stamp or is now only a 30 day stamp?
- Is it possible to get a new stamp, either 30 day or 90 day, at the immigration office in BKK Satthorn Soi 2?
- If I travel by air out of the country and back again to any airport other than BKK will that provide a 90 day stamp?
Thanks all
Chris York
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What I find a little strange is how so many of those you see in "Pride" parades in the US look stereotypically gay, while so many of those in the UK just look perfectly "normal". On the other hand, no-one seemed to notice that Anthony Blunt and Guy Burgess were gay, so who knows ....?
I think that's really quite peceptive. There's clearly a cultural thing at work there in addition to any innate sexuality. A bit like the difference between function and presentation. For me Gaydar is about spotting the function - "can I get sex with this person?" - and is quite different to the next question, which is "do I fancy this person". Intrigueingly, the answer to the second question seems to vary for me according to how horny I'm feeling, whereas the results from the first seem pretty consistant.
As to how to spot a Gay Thai, well the first question still works for me regardless. The cultural clues required to help make the second question work well are undoubtedly very different in Thailand, though. You could characterise the USA stereotype described above as being overt advertising, with the UK version being overt conformity. Thailand strikes me as being completely relaxed, neither advertising nor repressing.
Observations like the pointy shoes discussion earlier, strike me as simply a fashion spreading amongst a group of freinds and followers - I think that's how things get started in the Gay community and are picked up later by the staright?
Chris
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Suradit is quite right. I find a more helpful model is of the poor family who suddenly find a wealthy barrister thrust into their midst by marriage. For sure the family will want to test the limits of generosity of the barrister, be they Thai, English or American!
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I approve of (almost) anything that allows Thailand to be energy independent! The political consequences of being dependent on Burma for Natural Gas are obvious and very damaging.
But I do wonder what the life span of such a dam on the Mekong would be. The river carries large quantities of silt and there must be a serious risk of the reservoir silting up in pretty short order.
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Lopburi Immigration View on new Visa extension system
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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I'm sure you're right!
Better prepared, though..............