BernieOnTour

2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

Almost any disease can kill you if left untreated. However according to the CDC, all the ailments you mention are curable with a well-established and recognised course of medication, especially if treatment is started early. 

 

The same can't be said for CoVid-19.

 

Also, none of those are infectious diseases that spread from person to person and more importantly, none of them is currently increasing at an exponential rate has just seen its number of cases double worldwide in the last two months.

It seems, you missed my post before that ...

Many are afraid of “asymptomatic” infections with SARS-CoV2,

and the studies, I mentioned above, estimate the number of global infections to be 1.5 - 2.0 billion.

Add in to that: the mostly non severe effects among the younger cohorts below 65 (and IFR 0.05% for those below 70).

That means:

Despite being untreated, many do NOT fall fatally ill !

BTW, your:

“... course of medication, especially if treatment is started early. The same can't be said for CoVid-19.”

Sorry, but that’s just utterly wrong, we aren’t anymore in March 2020.

Do your homework!

Just reading Twitter posts, listening to TV and newspaper headlines  is for sure easier ... but: Don’t rely on journalists, who have zero knowledge...

Even with Google, you can easily find by yourself enough studies and treatment schemes.

However, that might need some decisiveness to really do it and some concentration to understand it.

But with the wealth of information, nowadays easily accessible in the internet (even despite the filtering by BigTech like Google and YouTube), it should be manageable for every adult to make up his own mind and find out enough about it.

Especially, if due to his personal, specific circumstances, someone is afraid of Covid, that should be a no-brainer.

(I have preconditions, by the way,  - that’s why I decided to dig deeper on my own, instead of only listening to TV and mainstream newspapers.)

32 minutes ago, BernieOnTour said:

 

Well ... same as other Europeans.

 

Tanzania - which saw a huge increase in tourists from Russia and other European countries in the last 12 months - is loosing its advantages:

 

- after the ...accidental... death of President Magafuli, the new president Sambia Suhulu Hassan is reverting Magafuli’s critical approach to oppressive Covid measures

 

- not at least from Russian tourists, there are numerous reports of returnees not with Covid, but with severe cases of Malaria and Human Sleeping Sickness (not that one often seen here in LOS with the staff, but the real one from the Tsetse fly ???? )

 

So there is obviously the urgent need for a replacement of an alternative,   many of my friends used in the last 12 months !

 

By the way, some IFRs - infection fatality rates- :

African trypanosomiasis (sleeping sickness):  100%, if untreated

Pneunomic Plague (for those, who considered Madagascar): 50%, if untreated

Plasmodium falciparum, when in the category of “severe and complicated Malaria”: 20%

Dengue: in severe cases 0.8-2.5%, with adequate treatment <1%

... compared to that, Ioannidis evaluated several metastudies for Covid (even one of the infamous Imperial College) and is coming to the conclusion:

- 1.5-2.0 billion people got infected with SARS-CoV2 already

- the Infection Fatality Rate is ~ 0.15 %

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13554

STAY HEALTHY, GUYS !

... but don’t forget:

there’s a lot of sh.t creeping around in the tropical countries, we love,

which you ignored, before worrying about Covid 

14 hours ago, boogiewoogie said:

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Russians are here to celebrate that sputnik is somewhat recognisable in Thailand. And it's all we care. Because as u, and as everyone else on this forum we just want  this nightmare to finish. 

 

As everyone else here we want to get back to them beaches, tom yams and smiles because winters in Russia are freaking unbearable!

 

Well ... same as other Europeans.

Tanzania - which saw a huge increase in tourists from Russia and other European countries in the last 12 months - is loosing its advantages:

- after the ...accidental... death of President Magafuli, the new president Sambia Suhulu Hassan is reverting Magafuli’s critical approach to oppressive Covid measures

- not at least from Russian tourists, there are numerous reports of returnees not with Covid, but with severe cases of Malaria and Human Sleeping Sickness (not that one often seen here in LOS with the staff, but the real one from the Tsetse fly ???? )

So there is obviously the urgent need for a replacement of an alternative,   many of my friends used in the last 12 months !

On 4/23/2021 at 12:40 PM, Denim said:

Field hospitals ?

 

Surely they mean covid incubation centers .

 

Giant petri dishes for the plebs. Not going to get any high so and sos going near them.

Bashing the Thai again? ????

Missed your voice, when:

- Governor Cuomo in the New York hotspot sent elder patients, tested positive, back in the nursing homes

- in the Italian hotspot Lombardy elders were not allowed access to hospitals and were restrained in the nursing homes

On 4/23/2021 at 1:09 PM, Excel said:

Complete buffoons.  Far too late now. Instead of spending the last year enlarging the trough they should have spent the money on increasing medical facilities. Still I guess it is a bit difficult salting away ICUs in offshore accounts.

Not so sure about that ....

That Mr. Taweesin is great in describing catastrophic scenarios, 

however -

with validated numbers and statistics he seems to have a problem.

Per April 15, there was a documented number of 

47 Covid patients in ICU.

Compared to this number, afaik, the ICU beds available are:

1,218 for Covid in Greater Bangkok area in 105 hospitals

4,955 ICU beds in other provinces

10,184 ventilators are available throughout Thailand.

(Neglecting the fact, that meanwhile a lot of peer-reviewed studies show, intubation should only be the treatment of last resort.

The main reason, why the Chinese intubated so many patients in the first phase ...and later applied by many countries... was:

In the beginning, it was assumed that SARS-CoV2 would be far more contagious- therefore it was ...for them... a logical consequence, 

to stop free breathing and replace that by intubation in order to protect there health personnel.)

14 hours ago, John Drake said:

First, vaccine from China. Now, vaccine from Russia. Do Iran and North Korea have a vaccine?

13 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

Next on my glass bowl prediction:

India (if it helps against their latest mutation???? which some cry alarm about, would ridicule the whole vaccination campaign).

 

Yesterday I wrote Sputnik in the thread about the "2 or 3 companies".

Sorry to say, but many here seem to be living in a “political bubble”, neglecting the developments during the last 25 years.

You are totally leaving globalization out of sight and do not realize the behavior of multinational companies.

For example:

When the Evergiven ran aground in the Suez Canal,

a bill of lading from Kuehne and Nagel about a container of Adenovirus base component popped up.

Recipient: Astra Zeneca, UK

Origin:      PR China 

And India ?

- 3rd rank of pharmaceutical production worldwide by volume ...

6 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

... On-line instruction is abysmal as the teachers my GF's daughter has are very monotonal, and less than ambitious and exciting in their teaching manner. ...

That would have made me think about:

What’s those teachers’ ambition and teaching style, when standing in front of a class ?

IMHO you will never get a better impression of the quality of those teachers, as when observing them over a longer period during online instruction ...

On 4/13/2021 at 8:09 AM, placnx said:

Hydroxychloroquine was debunked in clinical trials a while ago.

As I said: adjust your evaluation to the current scientific knowledge !

The alleged or actual negative results for Hydroxychloroquine were based on:

- fraudulent data: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

- toxic overdose:

 https://www.francesoir.fr/politique-monde/oxford-recovery-et-solidarity-overdosage-two-clinical-trials-acts-considered

- delayed use: 

https://c19hcq.com

In the meantime, there are a lot of studies, proving the positive effects and safety of Hydroxychloroquine, eg.

https://academic.oup.com/europace/article/22/12/1855/5910968

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304258

https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/html/10.1055/s-0040-1713152

a good summary is listed here: https://c19hcq.com

Other treatments are based on timing and severity. In prophylaxis and the early stages,

Ivermectin, Vitamin D3, Bromhexine, Zinc, Aspirin, Quercitin, PVIs have shown to reduce severe or fatal Covid-19.

Later stages require additional medications. 

https://www.evms.edu/covid-19/covid_care_for_clinicians/

https://aapsonline.org/mccullough-protocol-3-page.pdf

https://covid19criticalcare.com

Seems, Thailand was also in urgent need of a Thai borne Neil Ferguson ????

INFECTIONS ? - wait a minute !

Really? Infections, with clinical symptoms? Or “incidences” from PCR-tests?

Seems, the journalists are still concentrating of PCR-Test results only and missed the latest WHO publications,

eg. https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

exerpt: 

“Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information”

... ( I would also conclude, even if one of those would have clinical symptoms, 

the average Thonglor party goer does not belong to the 70+ age group ????, therefore :

- better immune system

- no co-morbilities

- immune system totally fighting off the virus or restricting it to weak symptoms 

- no fatalities 

Result: immune system and antigen build-up ... even without vaccination )

Interesting news - what could we deduct from that ?

1) Increasing the number of PCR-tests will result in an increase of incidences (not necessarily severely sick or even deaths).

Therefore, the shortage of PCR-tests could point to

an increased consumption by administration initiated tests

before Songkran by whatever reason you consider appropriate,

driving up the number of incidences.

.... vice versa:

2) Stopping repeated pilgrimages of wealthy Corona witnesses to the expensive hospital tests by restricting supplies of those tests

will decrease the number of “incidences”.

That would allow a path back to normal.

Draw you conclusions at libitum 555

if Sanook considers that a vital question, if there is an UK variant,

they haven’t done their homework!

There are 352.000 mutations,

so picking a handful of those 100-thousands and just assuming,

they are more dangerous than the most prevalent local one,

is not based on any evidence, just scaremongering.

And btw.: in the UK itself, death rates were decreasing despite the UK variant (that was: before they started the vaccination campaign....)

5 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

Parts of Canada are getting  covid spikes, and are being forced to do shut downs again, of course people are upset.

I do hope that the people in Thailand have some more luck and do not get some horrible spike and have to do the same.

Good luck to all of you. Curfew or not it still seems that Thailand is in not too bad of shape.

Geezer

I have the uncertain feeling, TH is slowly moving in the same direction...

And Canada is not “forced” to do shut downs, 

Canada’s politicians decide to do that !

So, people should be upset ! - to say it with Albert Einstein :

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again

and expecting different results.”

Our most important objective should be:

     Reduce the number of fatalities !

After that comes: reduce the number of severe cases and make sure, our  health systems do not get overwhelmed. 

Reduction of rising incidence rates computed from PCR-Tests and people not getting really sick aren’t part of it.

Instead, what they are doing?

1) old-style lockdowns.

Proofed by several scientific studies as not useful.

(Everybody could do that also by himself: compare the death rates per 1000 population in North Dakota and South Dakota or take Sweden and another country with hard lockdown)

2) promote vaccinations with experimental drugs,

which aren’t designed to create sterile immunity (=stopping the transmissions)

How many billions did our politicians pump into the development of the mRNA-vaccines?

-  Compared to that, with how many millions did they support doctors and scientific institutes to find better ways of TREATMENT ?

Again astonished, how many here do not read the scientific studies and the reports about the Phase 3 trials for the vaccines...

Instead of that, it seems, a lot of guys try to compensate a missed career plan to become salesrep for Pfizer, AstraZeneca ...

Why do so many countries have still lockdowns, face masks and AHA-rules in place, some even a rising mortality rate - instead of high rates of vaccination?

... it’s not the silver bullet !

5 hours ago, sambum said:

Any stats for the percentages of old deaths and young deaths? 2800 sounds a high figure, but when you look at the total number of cases in Brazil, (Second in the World table to the USA) i.e. 13,023,189 cases, and 333,153 deaths in total, the figure of 2800 "young people" doesn't seem so dramatically high.

13,023,189

333,153

Hint:

Look at the rising numbers of deaths since January 2021

and correlate them with the rise in vaccinations ...

????

21 minutes ago, pentagara said:

It's actually not the virus being that smart. The issue is the percentage of people running around without masks in Bangkok after 9pm who think they are immune to the virus or much stronger than it. The number of such individuals exponentially increases at certain places after this time. This seems to be especially true for alcohol serving spots, that attract this subset of people like a honey pot attracts flies.

Actually, I do agree though, that there would be a better policy to "save the economy".  When I am in the elevator of my condo in Bangkok, 9/10 times I see someone without a mask, it's non-Asians, sadly. It's even observable on a nation level. The majority of Covid deaths are outside of Asia. I doubt this is only because governments in Asia and in Thailand are doing such an excellent job. It's probably also due a higher percentage of know-it-all, non-educatable, self-entitled and selfish 'people' who promote to stop mask wearing and other precautions so we can "save the economy". It's a bit ironic, considering it's this exact group of people that actively helps to create the clusters and with it the economic mess we're still in.

 

So, if it were up to me, I certainly wouldn't only implement the 9pm rule and I wouldn't only slap spreaders running around without masks with a 5000HKD fine like in Hong Kong (US$650).

 

I would ensure that anyone caught without a mask would be put on a party island full of their colleagues with free flow alcohol and no mask requirement, even before 9pm, and without the need to get a "gene-altering" vaccine beforehand. Ideally there should be a few people thrown in the mix that are confirmed with one of the recent variants that evolved due to such selfishness and which affect younger people as much as the elderly. It's just a flu, after all, so why not. This way this sub-group of people would experience first hand "how to live with the flu", as some other poster promoted in this thread. Anyone would also be allowed to leave again, after they have had "the flu" there.

 

It's fine if a grown-up wants to check with their bare hands whether the hot iron is really hot. They shouldn't be allowed to burn anyone else though.

 

This setting truely would create the environment they wish for, just for them. It would also ensure that we can "save the economy" like they say, and it only would be at the cost of those few on this island who actively wished for it. After all, it's actually them who ruin the economy by causing the clusters and spreads.

 

Gosh, it might even help save the reputation of the 90% of the non-Asians that aren't actively working on ruining life for everyone else.

Ah, sweet dreams haha.

I would suggest to check the relevant peer reviewed scientific studies,

if you find one definitely proofing a positive effect against viruses ...

And: No Pain, No Gain !

Therefore, after that, check for peer reviewed scientific studies describing the negative effects, eg. :

- rising CO2 values in the blood

- breathing resistance 

- lowered training of the immune system

- ...

It is not for nothing that the regulations for safety at work in many countries restrict the use of face masks regarding duration, breaks and prior health checks ...

... could be, that guy in the the elevator did his home work

... and you did not 

3 hours ago, smedly said:

The problem is, out of 37m people vaccinated - how many people would have had a clot, how many that received other vacancies got clots

 

I don't know the accurate answers to these questions, there does seem to be a sinister element (agenda) to many so called mainstream news reports these last few years, I generally treat them all with suspicion, many just accept what they tell you.

 

Big tech and big money are steering the narrative in our world right now, the possess the means motive and money to do so

It’s not only about clots.

If you analyze the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) in the US,

- you will find 44 to 184 deaths after vaccination between 2000 and 2020, in average 117 per year

- for January/February 992 deaths were reported, extrapolating that on a full year, these figures would amount to 5952

- that is an incredible increase by factor 51.  And in comparison, we should take into account, that every year between 45% and 60% of the population in the US got vaccinated against Influenza...

Swissmedic reports show similar tendencies 

4 hours ago, cdemundo said:

...”On March 6, 2021, a Belgian veterinarian named Geert Vanden Bossche ...

 

Well, at least he isn't a dentist.

 

No, he isn’t a dentist 555

Geert Vanden Bossche has a PhD in Virology.

He worked at:

- GSK Biologicals

- Novartis Vaccines 

- Solvay Biologicals

- Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team as Senior Program Officer

- GAVI as Senior Ebola Program Manager

- German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office

... not really a typical career for someone put by some fact checkers into the same corner as those guys with tinfoil hats and conspiracy theories ????

On 4/2/2021 at 9:03 AM, Chicken George said:

Come on !

You can find a new variant any day of the year!

The data bases report currently 452.000 mutations of SARS-CoV-2 

Try to find any peer reviewed study, which proofes a higher infectivity and more severe clinical effect of the UK-, Southafrican- or Brazilian “variant” - you won’t find any.

Well ... I wouldn’t be too sad, if the Baht would loose even more ! ????

... spring 2010, I got 50 Baht to the Euro, now it’s 36.65 ...

Nice marketing effect for the big pharmaceutical companies in the West (with their Indian subsidiaries) and Big Brother China 555

So - the millions of Russians,

who were vaccinated since the approval of Sputnik V in August 2019,

are not welcomed as tourists anymore - despite being vaccinated ?

On 3/31/2021 at 2:32 PM, bkk6060 said:

They are offering what seem to be the 2 most controversial vaccines Astrazeneca and Sinovac.

Good luck to those expats in Phuket.

well ... you should digest those negative reports with a grain of salt.

In the end, it’s also about market share (and with regard to Sinovac and Sputnik, even about politics).

The mechanisms using the Spike Protein are similar - therefore, the possible side effects coming from that are also similar.

For example, looking up Comirnaty - the Biontech/Pfizer vaccine - in www.Vigiaccess.org (that’s the Adverse Drug Reaction search tool from the University of Uppsala for the WHO, drawing data from its Vigi Base ADR database), it shows:

     385,000 adverse drug reactions in 2021

for Biontech.