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2 hours ago, david143 said:

1st September 2023 Thai nationality interviews

Interesting slide on the screen. Its a little blurry but it looks like some stats on citizenship applications. Can't quite read it, but maybe if someone has some sort of picture enhancer it would clear up and we can read it. 

3 hours ago, BritTim said:

I would welcome having my understanding on this clarified. There appears to be no problem for Thai nationals from birth who also qualify for a second nationality, right? Those who apply for Thai nationality are told they must renounce their original nationality. Am I correct? What happens (in cases like this) if you promised to renounce your original nationality, but still retained dual nationality? Is it grounds to revoke your Thai nationality?

This might clarify things a bit.

https://www.thaicitizenship.com/renouncing-your-non-thai-citizenship

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

I heard that children of PRs could become Thai citizens prior to 1992. 

Not quite - anyone born on Thai soil pre-1992 can now actively claim citizenship via changes to nationality act legislation ammended in 2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_nationality_law

Anyone who is born to two PR's still gets citizenship. This hasn't changed (though i am guessing there would only be a handful of married PRs in Thailand)

1 hour ago, tomazbodner said:

I've heard of this many times, but when asking for details, I get mud. It's not like it applies to me, but the topics of what nationality does a child, born in Thailand, where both parents have a Thai PR, is still very elusive. Would you know if there is any merit in this? Last time I've brought up this topic I was told I better not ask those who got citizenship in this way how they got it, as it was likely under the table. But I can't see why this "rumour" of a way of getting citizenship this way would circulate for such a long time if there was nothing to it at all...

Not under the table. 

You've got to read section 7 and section 7(bis) together.

Section 7 says:

"The following persons shall acquire Thai nationality by birth:

(1) a person born of a father or a mother of Thai nationality, whether inside or outside the Kingdom of Thailand;

(2) a person born in the Kingdom of Thailand, except those under section 7 bis paragraph one.

Then, section 7 bis paragraph one basically goes onto define who it means by this, which is any person born to a parent who is in Thailand on temporary visa, or a parent who is here illegally. 

So who is left? Those born here to parents who are both here on permanent visas - ie. Thai PR.  Though it isn't stated explicitly, thats the implication. 

Section 17 alludes to them again (loss of Thai nationality) as there is a special section just for these children who can lose Thai nationality under certain circumstance.

https://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-dual-citizenship/

I personally know 4 people who have Thai citizenship from this method. All blond haired and blue eyed, born in the 1970s to British parents with PR. Back then, it must be noted, up until the early 1970s, basically every extension of stay effectively granted you PR, so these people got it as a matter of course. Their kids - most who are friends of mine, are living and working here in Bangkok, one who owns a large business many in Bangkok may have heard of. 

http://web.krisdika.go.th/data/document/ext810/810050_0001.pdf

16 hours ago, DrJoy said:

One time I had to apply for a Japanese Business Visa on my non Thai PP.

 

I truthfully declared my Thai citizenship.

 

That time the vfs did not say anything, next day got a call from the Embassy that they require my Thai citizenship certificate.

I had to visit the Embassy again and present my original Thai citz certificate, they wouldn't even look at ratcha kitcha.

 

What would you or your wife do in such a situation?

or what will any female do in this situation?

Fair enough. Some people don't get it.

Sounds like the equivalent of Russian immigration getting the jewelers magnifying glasses out to closely inspect her passport as we crossed the border there once. Luckily the passports were of good quality!

UOB asked my wife for a copy of her work permit despite having a valid ID card but we waited for the penny to drop and it eventually did. For Thailand stuff, its a copy of the RG for women. I would have given them to call special branch if there were issues so they could have the law explained to them but things never have gotten to that stage.

15 hours ago, rsskga said:

Out of curiosity, what sort of problems could this lead to? Primarily that the granting of the citizenship itself could be challenged? Or other things? Thanks!

 

If not married to a Thai man, or if married to a Thai man but choosing to apply on the basis of PR instead, then would a woman receive a naturalization certificate?

There is no issue. Sounds like speculation to me.

My wife got announced in the RG 8 years ago this month. All she's got is a certified copy of the RG announcement + ID card and tabien baan. She's never had an issue and ID card (and perhaps a copy of the TB) has all she has ever needed. She is well and truely 'in the system'.

14 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

uk tests per million 190,000

Thai test per million 8,000

 

You don't test you don't find any

 

In the UK it is also raging out of control. I’m not seeing hospitals overflowing here. 

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

How about not vandalizing gov bldgs. It's obvious the major and gov can't control the mobs, so thank you Mr President.

You are so right. Only right wing militia types with their conspiracy theories are allowed to take on a tyrannical government! How dare these protesters think that they could do the same thing. 

26 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

Qld is still good atm but all the partying going on in the club district might turn that around at any moment.

Isn’t the border with NSW still open? Sydney headed towards a lockdown I feel and that’s just going to migrate north if they don’t close off the roads. 

12 minutes ago, Chassa said:

OK That's Vic and NSW. What about the bit that's left!

No one cares about South Australia..

21 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I do believe that you are born with Nationality and it doesnt need to be applied for .

Like, if you are born to a British parent you are automatically a British national .

It must be wonderful living in a fact free world. Bangladesh has clearly stated she isn’t.

But you know.... cause you ‘believe’ it, it must be true. 

56 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

But She is a Bangladeshi National , which means she has a Country to live in and therefore isnt stateless 

Oh, are you a representative of the Bangladesh government now are you? Care to tell the minister of your update?  
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shamima-begum-bangladesh-citizenship-isis-bride-british-uk-javid-stateless-a8788976.html

12 minutes ago, johng said:

I thought it was because they didn't want her either ?

 

Nobody wants her !  and after watching the video interview   where she says seeing decapitated heads thrown in a dustbin  didn't phase her  is anyone surprised ?

The law is that she can't have her UK citizenship stripped if she ends up as stateless.

In this case the UK government has gone - well her dad is from Bangladesh, she must also be a citizen there - strip away. Bangladesh have said she isn't.

It be a bit like Thailand unilaterally deciding someone's a UK citizen without the UK's involvement. It just doesn't make sense.

3 hours ago, PatrickC said:

 

What is the travelling via the Middle East option, do you know?

No idea sorry. The Thai embassy apparently tells you what flights are eligible to be taken and it’s up to you to pay for it. 

The Australian ambassadors message today on the embassy Facebook site said that there were 34 Australians approved and travelling via the Middle East, but that flight is full. 
 

I think he also said that the thai embassy in Canberra has received 200 applications from Australians to travel to Thailand. 

37 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I hope that the erroneous paperwork does not become a problem.

My thoughts too...