thoongfoned

13 hours ago, kickstart said:

Rearing broiler chickens over a fish pond use to be popular in this area ,the waste use to feed the fish ,the fish where Bla Dook walking Cat Fish,Bla Sawie, Stripped Catfish ,use to work well ,the wife said it stopped because the fish use to smell  of Kee- Gie ,chicken poo.

Also the chicken sheds where made from eucalyptus poles with a grass roof ,not only cheap ,but kept the shed cool ,no tin sheets, but  2-3 years and they had rotted out.

Going off topic ,like the idea of mobile hen house ,any one thought of an out door pig unit here in Thailand ,not easy in the rainy season ,would it work.

TF would know, Thetford in Norfolk , UK very, very, light land free drainage good carrot land ,full of out door pig units.

used to visit norfolk alot, (the showground a good few times a year) yes lovely land and loads of out door pigs, many acres of hemp growing too..

breeding sows out doors here, i would try and split there time in/out with plenty of shade needed.. good animal wellfair, would like to see the psy over a couple of years..

1 hour ago, cornishcarlos said:

You guys up North are lucky...

Down where we are, it's 150k plus for a bore hole !!!!

5,000baht around here.... 

1 hour ago, farmerjo said:

While your at it Thongfoned????

Seen any caravans for egg production in Thailand.

 

funny you should say that... looked at a system where they had mobile hen houses that were towed (moved) every few weeks after the cow/pig had been grazin.....(not in thailand, but could work here with a few tricks)

i think a good idea is have the hens living over a "pond" and all the waste goes in the water for the fish.... can remember someone posting about how to move the water at he bottom of the pond by some guy that was in the north that sold the eggs over the border, fish being a nice side line....

for you farmerjo, was watching something frm the uk (oxford) the other day about a farm that sells all veg at a profit that grows some weeds that go down a long way? 3/4m?  that they use to fertislise the land with, no extra in puts.. "ch4 apocalyspse cow" was the name of the program (torrent) (have to much time on my hands...555)

google b inter   (its a part of the betagro group) silo info

or key man farm tech

or asia vet tech.

we have used all the above companies over the years

do you buy any of the aggricutual magazines, loads of info, but all in thai.....

another idea, would be expensive to start thoughh... a silo...

maybe do some google search in thai for feed mills/different smaller companies, try and join some facebook groups that deal/talk in/about chicken/eggs, would think again mainly in thai. its been said on here before about the locals love for facebook.....

i would think that most of the larger mills will be in the greater bkk area, but some must be making there way north, as business spreads...

the thai foods group might be worth a look, about the 3rd largest pig producer in thailand so would think they would do chickens ect... cargils and such would also produce feed... try and look and see who's who in the egg/chicken world here in thailand and work through the list...

try the "smaler" bagged feed surpliers like sunfeed ,spf ect... if you contacted them direct it might help. have a look around your area for a feed mill, the tansport costs will be high if you have to have it trucked in 100's of km...

we have the 10 wheeler trucks in every month, 600 30k bags is how they are loaded, they travel up from just a little north of bkk to us, its about 450km door to door, they always run back down empty..... i think they  used to charge around 20 bath a bag delivered/unloaded... (last time i asked was years ago... could ave gone up by now) this is a large lorry firm that work all the time for a large feed producer.

17 hours ago, kickstart said:

Our roads are the same very quite, but saying  that a lot of cane is hauled at night time ,no police about pulling up over loaded trucks ,I often see empty trucks coming past our house in the morning.  

  Around here  it is due to low rainfall last year, yields are down by 50 % 2-5 ton cane/rie is common this year ,on what you are saying this area is probably glad we do not have any weigh stations .

As far as I know it is still 750 baht /ton ,started to see a few loads of burnt cane about ,I would say they are having cutter problems ,cutters can not make they money cutting un-burnt cane,and the growers having to pay  a lot more to cut said cane.

So , some growers back to burning ,cutters happy can make more money ,growers happy paying less ,even with the cutters earning more ,growers are still paying less than before . 

on a good year they average 5/6 ton rai here (min vits added, bit of weed killer ect..) land next to where we live, this year they did not even average 2 ton per rai, spent zero baht on the crop this past season, this is the 2nd year in the ground, 1st year was around 5/6 ton, afew bags of vits thrown about... they sell it to a firm that cut and haul themselves,  4 lady cutters not even one days work to cut and bundle (not tie up) this plot was burned,  2 grab tractors plus lorry and drag unit, not full, 1 other lorry and drag was waiting, went away empty..

the family that have took over most of the wifes land do a better job, about 10 ton arai this year from one of the plots they rent, other plots also looked good, they spend money on vits and weed killer ect... same plot 2 years ago did not even average 2 ton rai, different family renting before.

family that used to rent this land ^ are still big in the cane game, they must be making money from somewhere coz they have laid some bahts down as a  deposit on some land the wife wants to sell and are talking about some more rai they want to buy.... they get paided out for the bulk of their cane delivery just before april, i will be happy when the rest of the bahts have changed hands... 

couple that  work for the wife doing odd jobs about the place are "moon lighting" as cane cutters, husdand and wife (hard workers) are lucky to hit 500 baht a day between them, are cleaning lady is still cutting and lucky to earn 200 a day she says, all moan about how hard the work is...

18 hours ago, kickstart said:

A weigh station is paying 930 baht/ton, factory is paying 750 baht/ton ? how do weigh stations make they money ? ,Thoongfoned explained how the weigh stations work ,still do not understand them , and how they make they money ,we do not have them in our area.

Around here cane price is still 750 baht/ton. 

wife says the local price here has also gone up, 800 for burned of 850 not, last time i looked i think is was 650/700 ish, before new year.

the  village roads dont seem as busy (cane carting) as years before, maybe the weigh stations are worried they will not fill their agreed quota with the buyers, if so they will loose a lot of baht per ton on what they deliver, so have put the price up to try and buy more cane to fill the tonage shortfall?

afew years ago i knew a local (thai) that put alot of borrowed money into a set price cane business, he bought lorries and tractors/grabs ect... could not get enough cane delivered and lost it all, plus..house/pickup/farm ect still had to find more money to pay back the main buyer, he is still in south korea working of the debt, this was 4/5 years ago

1 hour ago, Tagged said:

Finished drilling at 60 meter, good water they say, and 20 000,- for the bore, and another 13 000,- for the package with pump ready. 

 

I think that sounds cheep? One year warranty. 

 

 

sounds good, good looking drilling set up. around here its just 2 men and a pickup with drill and afew buckets of water....and of course the tent if have problems..555

on the "digging" for the well, around us they will go to around 50m for 5000 baht, or no water no pay, over the years we have put in 5/6 wells on different plots. this is very cheap for a well, i have spoken to some people in different areas that have paid around 50,000 baht for 50m... 

12 minutes ago, Tagged said:

I read one HP will do the job even deeper, the the most important is how much water needed to pump daily when choosing power? 

 

The more I research, the mor I regret I gave it a go, when Im not here! 

 

To many details I doubt will be taken care of! 

we have a 1.5hp franklin 47m down in the land/water, its pumps up to a  6/7 m water tower, just under 1 hour for 8000 liters of water. we use around 20,000 liters a days so the pump gets a work out, first one lasted around 5/6 years, on the secound one now. cost if you get one made in mexico budjet around 25,000 baht, but if made in taiwan i think the last one cost 7,000 ish baht, well under 10,000 baht any way, bought it at a little shop that only does pumps, never seen these pumps so cheap.....

kubota do a lovely 6kw diesel geni about 55,000 baht will start/ run this type of pump with with spare power... if you went for a petrol i would look a kwai thong 5.5kw (i think) for about 20,000 baht again will start/run this size of pump, over the years had afew kwai thong products always good stuff. honda are good but more bahts...

a 1hp or even 0.5hp could/would do a good job (franklin), and alot low starting amps needed. just read the spec on line.

looking good what you have so far...

the burning has started around us, fires in all directions last night as soon as the sun went down....555

drove past the largest weigh station this morning, afew tractors and trailers waiting to be tipped, 2 macro's unloading and loading, did not look like burnt cane, but did not stop to look, 650 baht a ton.... 

4 hours ago, ireckonso said:

With the low prices and hopefully chemical bans most of these sugar cane toxic waste dumps will go out of business, in the last 5-6 years with the growth of cane around here the environment has taken a heavy toll let alone the children and elderly showing up at the hospital where my wife works with major lung problems. I say F&&k em all and their sugar cane !!!

we have 4 children all have lived in the village full time, only now the eldest is off at school in bkk, never any lung problems, we are surrounded by cane land.... around the village there is no rubbish collection, so people just burn all the non sell items, always have since i ve been coming here. i would think that living in say bkk would be more harmful to ones health then living in the sticks.... not to menetion chaing mai...

even if the price at the gate drops alot the processor plant we still be making good bahts, dont hold ya breath on the banning of the chemicals to control weeds...

the returns per rai on say growing cane vs say rice, what returns the best baht do you think?

from what i can make out from the wife the local government have said there is to be no burning of cane from now on.... our cleaner lady said some thing along these lines this morning, she is cutting full time at the mo, stops when she gets to 200 baht a day...

On 11/24/2019 at 1:47 PM, kickstart said:

Burnt sugar cane  has always had a reduced price , burnt cane is easy to tell ...........because it has burn marks on it and it is black,......and it has a  lower  sugar containt ,so a lower price ,but growers  take a lower price ,as a burnt cane crop is easy to cut than un-burnt cane ,and with cutters getting more  difficult to find each year ,growers will almost do anything to keep them happy .

And remember cutters are paid on piece work one bundle of cane has 10 storks ,and a cuter gets 1 baht /bundle ,so to earn some money a cutter needs t cutat least 300 bundles day ,can not be done with un-burnt cane.

In this area this year more cane will be cut be machine , can not find the cutters ,and most are from Burma or Cambodia ,and we get the Issan rice farmers ,come come down after harvesting they rice crop.

lady that "cleans" our house also does the farm labor jobs localy, past couple of days she has been out cutting un burnt cane for re- planting. 10 "sticks" in a bundle 2 baht each bundle, says most of the day working all for about 200 baht.... working cleaning our house for a couple hours every other day seems like a dream job when you put it into context.

10 hours ago, IsaanAussie said:

I seem to remember the thresher we used to use took 10% of the rice as payment. For one or two rai, I doubt they would turn up. 

yeah its about 10 percent here, but if you have less then 50 bags they will take more...

almost managed to stop fil working now, they (plus wife) used to do 50/60 rai plus, to a good standard years ago, but old age ect and the fact that they will be given money most weeks from family means they only really "plod" about doing this small patch of land and or course the cutting of trees for "black wood"

On 11/25/2019 at 5:51 PM, IsaanAussie said:

Well the harvester has been and gone. 300Kg per rai is not what we had hoped for but with the rice blast issue, it could have been worse. Holding on to enough for the next year and the rest sold at 11.3 baht/kg. The washup is we just about covered cost and have seed and eating rice for the next year. 

you got more than the father inlaw got from his 7 rai, 20 bags or about 500 kg total, always more weeds than rice, same for the last few years...

13 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

We have lots of those notices... massive posters, put up all over the countryside here in CM too...… today cycling I passed a couple of the signs next to rice fields that were burning.  No good having these laws and spending money and time on putting posters up, if everyone knows there is zero enforcement!  

where we are they set the fires after dark.....,  drove past the local weigh station this morning,they got the tractor in clearing the weeds, get the finance in place (had a bank car in the lot also) then open the gates come new years time...

13 hours ago, IsaanAussie said:

Today we harvested a 1 rai plot. 150kg at best of crappy rice. Fall army worm, water stressed and rice blast.

the wife has been saying that around here the rice yields are lower this year, most people are well into the harvest now,alot of the wifes friends have had the machine in to cut, 600 baht per rai so im told. 

this is the first year i can remember not selling out of the bags (from the pigs feed) still got afew hundred in the "shed" we have been selling @ 3.2/3.5 per bag if buy at least 1000 or 4 baht for smaller orders.

2 hours ago, Grumpy John said:

We haven't grown rice for 3 years. The one 20 rai block is rented and the other 20 is unused. The first year we had it good and got average 650kg per rai.  I was shocked! I was expecting 900kg or more. ???? Had to pay for soil prep,  labour on several days and machine to harvest. Still we made enough to have a go next year.....which wasn't so good.  4 rai at the West end didn't get enough water as the dam dried up and yield suffered.  Still made money but not enough to do it again.   We made a bit more on corn each year and we only planted 14 rai.   Not enough water for more corn.  And there is a shortage of farm labour here.  And the average age of the workers is 50's something.   Moving 3" hoses around in the corn almost killed the both of us!  Looking after mango trees is a snap in comparison.....but,  not highly profitable. 

where we are the land is not that good,loads of stone(large under land) plus clay.... wife rents some land out, if they can get 17/20 bags (500 ish kg) per rai this is good, only rain fed, hand planted and small vits added. sister inlaw has some good land for rice, maybe  600/700 kg per rai, she lives abroad so the  wife/family handles this, keeps father in law in 3 diggit lotto numbers for a short while at least..... in the past i have messed about with the tractor making large land locks, added loads of pig poo, put still never improved the yeild... now most of this land is going for home builds....

got teak trees spread over the "gardens" of 2 houses, mostly grown from seedlings from some small trees we bought years ago. just measured the one by the front porch its 59cm around @ 1.5m this was just some seed pods thrown on the land around 5 years ago. some of the ones that we bought (very small around 10cm high, 20/25 baht each) around 8/9ish years ago are very big, at a guess about the same size as my waist 34/36 inches around, just rain feed never any shop bought vits, if you were to "feed" them would be massive.... 

i used to buy finished teak furniture afews years back from indonesia, had a walk a round afew plantations over there, at 25 plus plus years they used to have massive trees/logs, some are left till 50 years old...

like you say we have some massive euca trees around too, just grown from the wind/seedlings around 7/8 years old, always getting asked to sell them to the guys that cut the euca.