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On 2/27/2022 at 4:11 PM, Postharvesting said:

Why farmers buy 2nd hand harvesters or balers?

isn’t buying new equipment convenient as they can get retail finance support?

is there any retail finance support for buying old equipment ? do you know/talk to a thai person that that has bough or tried to get finance on something? maybe good to start here.?

maybe go to your local kubota dealer/ go speak to the government bank and see what terms they will want to finance something? gov bank will loan around 40% of current land value

bananas. bamboo.fruit tree.hard wood trees.ect...mix it up, will not cost alot.

around us (udon thani - rural) we have had afew done over the last 15 years. drill and not find water no pay, drill to 50 +  netre 6'' bore/blue pipe 4,000-6,000 baht.  that is the going rate, (its very cheap) i have heard in different area/province anything upto 50,000 baht.

just been getting quotes for some 12'' pipe, been a while since we have bought large size pipe, had to sit down when they told price for thickness i wanted, ended up going with the thinnest grade (5)

have pipe in sunlight for some 11 years still works good.

yep lumpy skin problem is indeed a problem around us, udon thani.  all local village stores have had no fresh beef for sale for 2 plus weeks now, not allowed to sell so i have been told.

over the past month many cows have been struck by lighting and died in and around the villages close by to us, plus many shared photos of dead cows in facebook that have also been hit by lightning in said province.

price, a lady that comes to the farm daily has some cows for sale like in photos above, 3 mums 2 that are in calf  and 2 smaller calfs,she has been offered 200,000 baht but wants 220,000.....

cows around here are still expensive.

@ 5kg that will be an easy job. nice money for the vet too.

20 hours ago, Moonrakers said:

Thanks folks.

There's no way I'll be doing it myself. I'd rather pay a professional to do it to help ensure the litle fella comes to no harm (asides from having his bits removed, obviously).

We found a BKK vet that'll do it for 5k. A bit more than I thought it would be but OK. 2 other places quoted 20k. Ouch... 

how old is the pig? about how much does it weigh?

i would say from 5 days old....

in farm we would do say 200/300 per month.

sharp blade/razer. 2  little nicks then pull the balls out, iodine , done. straight back to drinking milk.

if you do yourself check that the balls are "free/loose" if one is attached to the stomach area i would try and find someone to do for you. ie you could pull intestine out.

have a look on youtube, video tutorial  ect,, maybe...

3 different styles: wife buys the fish in bags once every 4 ish years, never buys feed,  can eat them from 6  months in pond, max 0.5kg most around 300/400 grams, they just reproduce then get eaten.

family a short walk from us rear them on shop bought feed, have 5 large ponds, always selling fish most under the 1kg at 70 baht kg. they whole sale most to the guys with the tanks in back of pickup trucks, must earn a bit or would not keep doing, (need to buy feed) being going 6 plus years.

contract growing for betagro. many people in the village started this some years ago, say 6 or 7 families. some dug ponds on 20 plus rai most "only" dug under 10 rai. now only 2 still doing it, alot were loosing 50/60,000 baht a cycle..(if you dont produce x amount of kg per stocking volume you end up paying for percentage of feed.) that would be on say 4 or 5 ponds 20m x 40m per cycle. on top of that feed lose/cost you would have to factor electric cost for bore pump plus the chemicals they use to try and keep he water ph on track. from what i see they average 0.6/0.7kg in 4 months, with high mortality rate.

red ish with long ears.....  yes. its crazy if they can get anything near the price that she says.

a lot of people gotton back into cattle this past year in and around the village, going back 6 or 8 months ago i was hearing 40 - 50,000 baht for mum with a walking calf, then 2 or 3 months later i heard people flippng said animals for anything from 50 -70,000 .... no investment just hand cutting some weeds (have 2 people at the farm now cutting..) we always have people here cutting weeds.

road side beef is 280 kg in village shop 320 kg i buy good minced beef in macro from 270 - 350 kg.

live animal prices just seem crazy to me even if they are sort of subbed by local gov.

on a side note this year someone bought a kubota bailer, now alot of people have a store of "hay"

wifes friend has some cows, 1 just birthed the other day, looks ok, mum on the thin side, what got me was the prices that were being thrown about, 80/90,000 baht was said to be the going rate for a mum with calve in toe, this lady said to me that she would not sell at said amounts as tooo cheap.. thats almost their value if you butcher them then sell @ 300 bath a kg.

anyone getting top baht for their cattle at the mo?

if your wife uses facebook have a look at some of the "pig" groups. loads of photos of farm set up's ect... people also sell farm stuff on there, maybe cheaper then buying a load of steel then welding it up.

14 hours ago, IsaanAussie said:

Some ten years ago I had a neighbors mob of Soi dogs kill about ten piglets overnight. The piglets had run into the aisle in the sty and the dogs topped them, nature in action I suppose. I took the dead piglets to see the PooYai, he asked if I saw which dogs did it. Despite having a load of dead piglets I said I didn't so he could/wouldn't help. 

6 months ago someone in the village poisoned both my pups. They had supposedly become chicken killers. Again no witnessing, no help.

My point is simple. Your neighbors will only control their animals on their own land but will not limit them to staying there. Do the same, including predators. No need to ask or wait. Keep your stock safe and eliminate any and all introduced/invasive risks.

we have been on both sides of the problem dogs... for years are dogs killed chickens ect... always paid the going rate (kg weight) had many dogs killed, maybe 15 plus over the years.... now we "only" keep 5 dogs over 2 houses, just the other week the  dogs have started to break out over a high walled few rai and kill again.... dogs that live at are farm house have had kennels built that they can not get out of... im bored of dogs....(we used to breed dogs)

this year the wife has started to keep ducks and turkeys, of course we have dogs come in from time to time and kill afew here and there,  but i have put a camera on the main pond/area. when the dogs kill a duck the wife just sends the video clip to the owner of the dogs (owners all live around us) and said person pays some baht (80 baht kg of duck) most we have recieved in one hit was just over 1000 baht, those dogs do not come around the ducks much now... if the village head gets involved its just baht again, if its a big problem just get problem/dispute written down in the village log, 3 problems noted down over time and then the village head could/should get the police involved...

we are lucky that we do not have wild dogs about.

the cow business is still busy around us, people buying /selling, see afew pickups loaded with cattle most weeks buzzin about the roads... wife friend bought 2 mums and 2 babies (looked like native stuff...) around 2 months ago, 80,000 baht since sold on for 120,000 baht....  a woman that does some work for us from time to time has gone into the cows, they have bought 6 so far... she now spends her time cutting the weeds at are farm, she says 5 bags each per day.. her sister lives abroad and has spent this years holiday money on some cows (not coming this year cos of covid) not sure how much she paid for cows... can not get a stiaght answer, around 30 each ish me thinks, all girls...

the other day the wife was saying the main worry is fmd at the mo, some say its around this are at the mo...

14 hours ago, douglasspade said:

Recap:

I pay 70K Baht yearly for about 60Hrs of shoddy tractor work done. (Although rethinking it might be half those hours!)

If in Five years at a cost of 350K Baht with 300 Hrs of work done, how is that not viable to buy a tractor in the 250K Range with lower hours as advertised? Why will the investment not return?

 

I will also work land for my mom in law and some family in the nearby village when and if needed. This may  reduce my investment period dramatically.

 

Besides at 40 jrs old I have another 20 jrs to earn it back, knock wood!

even after x amount of years/hours you will still have the machine too sell on again..

the main reason why i bought a tractor was the crazy quotes we were getting for work that needed to be done...

back when i was a student picking apples ect every summer one or two farms would have tractors still working at well over 50/60 years of age.

1 hour ago, douglasspade said:

Thanks for that, I am rethinking as the L3406 is just on average 50K cheaper than the L4508 looking at hours and general condition of course. That is 5K Baht per HP difference for the same year model, it is worth thinking bigger. ;If I end up leasing 10 or 20 more Rai the I might work a smaller tractor to the bone.

 

And there are bargains, here is a 45 that has 1200Hrs (+/- 72000km) with relatively good tyres, comes with a fwd dozer with a new cutting edge and a 6 disc harrow with new discs. All for 268K and the first 400km delivery is free. That harrow in that condition alone is worth 30K making the price for the tractor only around 230K.

 

all the kubota dealerships around us (there are loads) have more second hand (repo) tractors on the forecourt then new ones....

had a 47 hp one around 9/10 years ago, very good after care, spare parts everywhere and cheap to fix, even when i had to get the low loader out to pick it up.

we use AGITA 10WG as our fly control program. can see results in minutes.... google it for more info.

26 minutes ago, Michael Hare said:

Make sure you plant your grass before buying any cattle. 

if the wife buys i would like to try some of your seeds....

around our house we have a round 7/8 rai of grass all year round, ground is always wet cos we have so much sitting water from the fish ponds and the aeration ponds from the pigs.... people cut and cart grass all year long.

since this covid business has started the wife now keeps ducks, turkeys and has gone back into bamboo in quiet a large way... just gotta get her doing the washing up in her spare time 555

1 hour ago, kickstart said:

If what I hear round here I think the prices will be high ,why I do not know with the Covid-19 , uncertain economy ,and in this area a drought ,it does not make sense.

Even cull dairy  cow prices  are on the up, again  for some reason .

Some photos would be interesting.  

interesting read this thread...

around us people seem to have the cow buying buzz again, few of the wifes friends have bought mum with a calf in tow and preggers again, long ear type, high ish body, brown colour, 50/60,000 seems about the price here for said set up. we still have a couple of people cutting grass daily to haul to their cattle (more so when its dry season) helps to keep some of the weeds downs....

the wife has also been on about maybe buying some cattle..., (i just laugh at her) like i said it seems to be the "thing" to buy around here at the mo, wife said her friends have some spare cash and have just put it into some livestock (these are not farming type village folk)

a  few people that farm pigs (like we do)  have been buying cattle this year, seems to be plenty of cash about in and around the villages...

around here beef per kg at the "road side stalls" is still 280/320. in the village shops 350/370.  people still cutting up cows in the village and selling it in 500,1000 ect lots most weeks... the beef biz seems busy all round...

do you check that the "straws" are alive before AI?

what does it sell for in your local markets?

in the nearest largish maket town to us there is area where people sell the tobacco, good few stalls, its very cheap to buy...

back when we had rubber was always putting poo in the middle of the rows (not around the base of the tree) 

12 hours ago, kickstart said:

The odd thing about this one is that it has infected more than one farm ,looking at Google as IA said it did mention Parvo virus ,And TF has asked a lot of questions .

I did think of Leptospirosis ,Rook-Chee-Noo in Thai ,that could have spread from farm to farm .

Are the farms feeding the same feed ,feed shot of minerals ,salt .?

But like a lot of livestock problems in Thailand ,use Google and nearly all the post say get a blood sample and send it to a lab ,in my field of cattle that is almost unheard of in Thailand ,TB test are done now and then.

TF ,does your vet blood sample your pigs if you have any problems . 

we is the vet....555

yes, do 5 random samples every month. plus gilts are tested before being allocated to new farms. do here of gilt farms having problems with blood test not meeting company standards,(gilt farm basic 700 head) its on a massive scale though, think of trying to just have enough replacement gilts for over 300 sow farms every month, thats just in the north east....

alot of the problems i hear about in thailand are just down being to hot,over feeding and poor hygiene...

few months back was talkin to a fella that farms pigs, he had then just just gone back to buying betagro... he said they had just starting to sell "b" grade labelled feed at a very good price. last time i spoke with him he was still buying the b grade, said good results, pellet size is not unformed as the other grade feed, but he is happy.