heretostay

6 hours ago, Label89 said:

heretostay, for example, if the last working day is 1st August, so can I get visa extension on 25 July until 7 August? Or I have to go to Immigration for visa extension on 1st August?

I'm no expert, but it seems to me that you cannot do any of it in advance, which is part of the challenge.  But why not give it a try?  In the worst case, on 25 July they will deny you the 7-day extension and have you come back on 1 August.  Let us know how you fare!

Yes, your visa runs out as soon as your WP runs out, which happens on your last day of work at the current company.

On that day, you need to go to immigration and get a seven-day extension and make sure your new employer is ready to run the race that will follow.

Soooo....

Please go to your the new employer and ensure that they know how to get a new WP for you.  If they failed the first time with WP3, they should try again with WP1, as someone mentioned earlier.  If they do not show their willingness to go through these hoops, then I think you need to forget this new job.  The new employer is the key to getting through the immigration/labor process.  

1. Last day of employment (letter of termination of employment), go to immigration for 7-day extension

2. Labor ministry for WP extension, which will probably be issued with three-month validity; must be issued within the 7 days of the visa extension 

3. Immigration to get visa extension to end of validity of WP

4. Labor ministry to get new WP extension, for full year

5. Immigration to extend permit to stay for full validity of WP

This was my experience.

Good luck.

3 hours ago, YetAnother said:

was the old employer involved ? if someone resigns, there may be hard feelings from the old employer and they may refuse to cooperate in any way (especially if the new employer is a competitor); 

No, the old employer simply provides the confirmation letter that employment has ended.  They may or may not return the WP to the Labor Ministry.

Most of the work is on the new employer, with multiple visits to Immigration and Labor.

My two cents:  I have done it (changed companies)!  And switched provinces in the process. I did not leave the country.

It's complicated.  There are many steps.  And fees.  But it IS doable - without an agent.  The main support must be provided by the new employer.

Good luck to you and hope it works out!

At CW last year, they forced me to make a transaction (e.g., withdraw 100 baht) on the account where I have the 800K on the day that I was applying for the extension based on retirement.  (A transaction made the day before, apparently, did not count.)   On the other hand, the "statement of account" letter from the bank was dated the day before, and that was accepted.  This year, they accepted the bank letter dated the day before, but I made a transaction at the bank branch at CW on the day of my application, just before getting my queue number, just to be sure.  It worked (again).

Apologies to all for my poor translation of เจ้าบ้าน  You're all right: it should be house-master or head-of-household or something like that.  The Yellow Book is not proof of ownership.

I guess I got off easy, listening to your stories!  Sometimes you just get lucky!

Just for the record, when I did the same process, I changed provinces, too, so it IS possible WITHOUT traveling outside the country, I believe.

Hi.  Someone else will do a better job at explaining this.

But I just wanted to let you know that the process is doable, but long and arduous!  I went through it and survived!

It goes like this:

You have to give up the first WP, then ask for a seven-day extension of your visa at immigration (bring letters from both schools with you).

During those seven days, the new school needs to procure a new WP which may only be valid for a few months, which was my case.

Then you take the WP back to immigration to get a new extension of the visa (or they may only give you the same period as the WP).

Then back to the labor office to get the WP extended for the full year.

If needed, back to immigration to get the full year extension.

There are fees all along the way.

Good luck to you!

None of my business what you do, but the rule concerning people with more than one passport in most countries is to show the passport of the country you are entering/leaving in the country you are entering/leaving.  So a Thai/German would show the Thai passport at BKK and the German passport in Germany.  (The airline will want to see both, but that's a different story.  In this case, there will be no Thai visa in the German passport, so they need to see the Thai passport, which demonstrate that the passenger can get through Thai passport control.)

This makes sense.  Why would you hide your Thai nationality from the Thai authorities when entering Thailand.  And why go through all the paperwork and expense for a visa in the German passport???

Just my two cents.

On 1/1/2017 at 11:53 PM, Dah fahrang said:

You must obtain a letter consenting to the minor travelling, from the parents (mother in particular) which must be written at, and by the local amphur for the district in which the minor resides. The parents must sign in the presence of the senior officer at the amphur, and the letter must be countersigned/attested by that same official. The stamp/seal of the amphur must be affixed.

The letter must be no more than six months old on the date travel commences, and is returned to your possession for any future travel, after passing Immigration outbound. You must also take along when you travel, a certified copy of the minor's Thai birth certificate, again signed by the parent(s) consenting to the travel, and certified by the officer at the amphur. The amphur should have both knowledge of, and experience in writing such letters.

 

Be prepared for a lengthy, in depth interview with a senior immigration official at the point of departure. In particular, they will be very interested in your relationship with the child. They are likely to want to speak to the minor's parents. This may be by phone, or, if the parents come to the airport to 'see you both off' then the immigration officer may call them to interview. Allow extra airport time for this.

 

Beware: as I presume your family name is not the same as the child with whom you are travelling, a further letter, in English is likely to be required by the airline bringing you back from Singapore, before they agree to check you both in, and board.

Sorry, I do not know what the Singapore Immigration Authorities may require. Perhaps you will post the outcome of that after your journey?

 

I have thrice now had first hand experience of your predicament. In my case, travelling from Bangkok to the UK via the middle East with my 8 year old grandson, a dual national holding both Thai and UK travel documents, and sharing the same surname.

About Singapore:  the embassy's response only mentioned the ampur travel authorization letter, which you've described already.  I wrote a second email saying that I would obtain the letter but asked (again) if the Singapore immigration officer would need any other documents.  I also asked if I needed a translation to the ampur letter.
They responded back (quickly), " It would be good if you could get the district letter translated just in case the Immigration Officer in Singapore ask about your relationship with the child. "  But you mentioned that the authorization letter doesn't actually mention the name of the accompanying person, so that won't help with showing my relationship with the child.  And they said nothing about my query about addition documents.  I hate to "assume" that there is no additional documentation needed.

When it gets closer to the travel date, I'll ask again, just to be sure.  Will keep you posted, too. 

9 minutes ago, khunPer said:

If you plan to stay overnight, check for package deals at Resort World at Sentosa, they have quotes for room plus entrance tickets to Universal Studios, SEA Aquarium and the water park. Mono rail is also free. Price was extremely affordable, for what you get – of course hotel prices are always relative, but Singapore is not cheap – and you have a very nice area around Resort World with beautiful gardens and lots of (free) exiting things to look at within walking distance; both for a child and grown-ups. We stayed at Hotel Michael, but the other 3-4 hotels in Resort World may have similar fine quotes. It's only about 20 minutes taxi ride to/from Changi airport.

 

Resort World seen from one of the cable-car lines, with Universal at left, SEA Aquarium entrance in front, and hotels and arcades behind – and of course also Singapore's brand, the Merlion.

 

The big tank in the aquarium – stated to the biggest in the World – but there are several other big and breathtaking tanks; also with dolphins. They have a special little open tank for small children, where they under guidance can touch some of the sea-animals.

 

Some magic adventure castle, "far far away"...

Thanks for the suggestions.  I'll do some research first and then decide on the itinerary.  First I want to get the document from the ampur - that will be the tallest hurdle, I expect!  Then we can choose which fun things we want to do.

7 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

I think the parents are nuts to let somebody take their child to Singapore to meet up with other adults and to visit a zoo. 

Thanks for your opinion.

12 hours ago, khunPer said:

I went to Singapore alone with my Thai-national daughter last year (July 2016), however she was 10 years old. No questioning at Singapore Immigration, but we did bring my Thai Girlfriend, the mother, with us to Thai departure Immigration, just in case, but no questions asked, presumable because my daughter has my family name and was 10-years old.

 

What I merely would say is, that you shall consider SEA, South East Asia Aquarium, at Sentosa Island. They state, that it's the biggest in the World, however it's impressive. I had my daughter up Bangkok to visit the aquarium under Siam Paragon when she was hardly 5 years old, and that was a great success. Our Singapore-visit was aimed at Sentosa only. There might well be more interesting and educational things at Sentosa for a 5-year old, so worth checking the 30+ attractions on Sentosa Island – just mono-rail and/or cable car might also be very exciting, or a trip up with the revolving view-tower

Thanks for your suggestion.  We've never been to the Siam Paragon Aquarium - got to plan a trip there.
I'm not sure I want to prolong the visit to Singapore - maybe just two nights - since we've never done an overnight before other than to the child's family's home upcountry.  But will give Sentosa some thought nonetheless.

12 hours ago, Dah fahrang said:

 

Not really that complicated. Depending where it is, the amphur will have knowledge of this procedure, and be able to produce a standard pro-forma letter easily. As long as the consenting parents are there to sign. You will not be required to attend. Your name will not be on the letter of consent. If there are "connections" at the amphur, then it will be a simple "in and out" event.

 

The letter in English: as you are travelling with a minor not bearing the same family name, of (presumably) different nationality, with differing nationality passports, I have witnessed airline staff refusing to accept passengers for check-in. (Qatar Airways, and Emirates, both at UK check-in). This, I believe, was due to concerns about child trafficking. I myself, travelling with my grandson who holds dual UK and Thai nationalities, was given a lengthy questioning when I presented my UK and his Thai passports for check in for a return to Thailand. The solution here was the presentation of his UK passport in addition to his Thai one.

In my post, i suggested this letter might be required for check-in on the return journey. The presumption is that the airline check-in staff on your outward journey can read Thai, so the letter from the amphur, albeit for immigration, would double up as proof the travel was legitimate and consented to.

Good luck with this. And, don't be deterred. Immigration, whilst thorough, were human, honorable and humane throughout.

Thanks again for your thoughtful suggestions.

I was thinking of having the ampur letter translated into English - wouldn't that solve any possible problem on the return trip?

I'm surprised that my name is not on the letter from the Ampur - so it's a general authorization for the child to travel abroad without the parents, I guess.

There is no rush for this trip, so we'll take it one step at a time.  I'll get the parents into the ampur as soon as I can.

11 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Why would you like to take a 5 year old which isn't yours to Singapore?

The plan is to meet up with European friends who already know the child and who will be visiting Singapore, and to take advantage of them being there to visit the Singapore zoo, as we haven't been overwhelmed by the one in Bangkok.  This is part of the child's education.

12 hours ago, Grubster said:

I would not do it with all the child trafficking going on in the world.

Thanks for your opinion.

14 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

You may also wish to bring the parents with you to the departing airport just in case their are questions from the thai immigration that you can not answer. As far as Singapore is concerned... You should not have ant trouble. 

Good suggestion.  I am a careful person.  I'll have the mother see us off at the airport, to reduce the risk of problems at passport control.

Still waiting for an answer from the Singapore embassy.  Will keep you posted here.

8 hours ago, khunPer said:

Presume you will also need a Thai passport for the child to enter Singapore...

The child is Thai and holds a Thai passport.

22 hours ago, Dah fahrang said:

You must obtain a letter consenting to the minor travelling, from the parents (mother in particular) which must be written at, and by the local amphur for the district in which the minor resides. The parents must sign in the presence of the senior officer at the amphur, and the letter must be countersigned/attested by that same official. The stamp/seal of the amphur must be affixed.

The letter must be no more than six months old on the date travel commences, and is returned to your possession for any future travel, after passing Immigration outbound. You must also take along when you travel, a certified copy of the minor's Thai birth certificate, again signed by the parent(s) consenting to the travel, and certified by the officer at the amphur. The amphur should have both knowledge of, and experience in writing such letters.

 

Be prepared for a lengthy, in depth interview with a senior immigration official at the point of departure. In particular, they will be very interested in your relationship with the child. They are likely to want to speak to the minor's parents. This may be by phone, or, if the parents come to the airport to 'see you both off' then the immigration officer may call them to interview. Allow extra airport time for this.

 

Beware: as I presume your family name is not the same as the child with whom you are travelling, a further letter, in English is likely to be required by the airline bringing you back from Singapore, before they agree to check you both in, and board.

Sorry, I do not know what the Singapore Immigration Authorities may require. Perhaps you will post the outcome of that after your journey?

 

I have thrice now had first hand experience of your predicament. In my case, travelling from Bangkok to the UK via the middle East with my 8 year old grandson, a dual national holding both Thai and UK travel documents, and sharing the same surname.

Thanks for the detailed info. I will attempt it despite the seemingly complex procedure. The Child's family is somewhat well connected at the ampur. Worth a try.

Not sure I understand the purpose of the letter in English for the return flight. If you can explain, I'd appreciate it.

I haven't heard from the Singapore embassy yet but will keep you posted here.

Hi all,

I didn't find this case on the forum yet and apologize if I'm in the wrong place.

I'd like to take a Thai minor (5 years old) on a short trip to Singapore.  I am not the child's guardian (the parents, both Thai, are close friends of mine), but the school has my name on the child's school ID card as his ผู้ปกครอง.

What documents do I need to present to Thai immigration on the way out?

I've sent an e-mail to the Singapore embassy in Bangkok about requirements for entering Singapore, but if anyone knows that, too, I'm all ears.

Thanks a million.

Not sure anyone mentioned the FIRST step in this process - the passenger needs to ask the check-in desk at his departure airport to check his luggage through to his final destination.  Once that's done, yes, he goes through the transit hall at DMK and proceeds to the transit desk or to his ongoing flight's departure gate.  Be sure that the luggage tag on the bag has the final airport in big letters at the bottom!

Bon voyage.

IMHO, the online 90-day report option solves all of our problems. I know, I know, it rarely works the first (or second time), but it does work (use Explorer, ignore the warning about a certificate). I'd rather sit at home in front of the computer and try that three or four times than take the time to go to an immigration office (or to the post office with photocopies and a self-addresses stamped envelope) than take a chance of meeting up with an immigration officer who got up on the wrong side of the bed that day. Make your life simple. Accept that things may not be as streamlined as you'd like or expect. Stay calm.

To answer the OP's original query,

- Sure, do anything you can to help the kids learn English (and critical thinking, creativity, and discipline)

- IMHO, you can do it for free without bringing down the average wage of other teachers; follow your heart

Keep us posted - would love to share experiences on this type of work.

Never assume it's too late. So many schools, so many positions, there will always be SOMETHING going on. What's nice about this post-start season is that the application/hire/start process can go really quickly, since schools will be in a rush to fill vacancies. Keep knocking on doors!