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It is a genuine production of one of the Christian sects. Antiquity unknown but around 1978-87 would be the most likely years.

At my Thai University lecturers are not permitted to give a class average higher than 2.8 GPA. An A is a rare grade.

Here is the quote from Rikker with a comment from another member following. BTW my thai teacher says I say the sound corectly after following the advice given by meadish

Rikker:

I'll try approaching this from the standpoint of articulatory phonetics, and hope it is helpful.

In pronouncing this (or any) sound, consider two important pieces of information:

Place of articulation

Manner of articulation

The sound of ง is pronounced with the tongue touching the soft palate (that is the place of articulation), and it is pronounced by expelling air through the nasal cavity (that's the manner of articulation).

I would guess that tongue position is your problem. To help you pronounce ง correctly, compare it with other sounds that have the exact same place of articulation. In English, these are /g/ and /k/. In Thai, it's ก, ค, etc. Move your tongue back as if you were going to so say a word like "go". When you prepare to say "go," you should notice that your tongue forms a seal so that no air comes out until you expel it in a sudden burst. So /g/ has the identical *place* of articulation as ง, but has a different manner of articulation of articulation. So prepare to say /g/ again, but this time, instead of letting air come out through your mouth, relax your throat so that the air comes out through your nose instead. It's critical here that your tongue *does not move* from where you first positioned it. You'll know your doing it right if while you are saying the sound ง, and you plug your nose, no air comes out of your mouth. That is, the air is blocked.

ง shares the same manner of articulation with น and ม, but they each have different places of articulation. That is, for each different nasal sound ง น ม, you form a seal, blocking air from flowing out of your mouth, and let it flow through your nose instead. So the trick is to form the seal in the right place. If you form it with your lips, the sound is ม. If you form it with your tongue right behind your top teeth, the sound will be น. And if you form the seal against the soft palate at the back of your mouth, the sound will be ง. If you're not moving your tongue far enough back, and forming the seal at the hard palate, the sound will be like "ny", like the Spanish ñ in word like "año".

Good luck, and keep it up. You'll get it

To add a non-technical comment to this. There is an excercise that I used when I first tried to get the sound right and that was to say "ring" several times in a row and then try to leave the "ri" off. Further on you can add an "oo" sound to expand it to snake for example. This way you can feel the effect the 'ng' sound has on your tongue position.

Thanks for that!

If anyone does want to send a sketch it would also be appreciated.

I am deeply concerned about the massive amounts of fictionalized propaganda being used by governments and individuals to create confusion among the masses for the sole purpose of increasing taxes and exerting more control over peoples' lives. The <deleted>' BBC and government agencies are increasingly rife with this nonsense.

My sentiments also.

Anyone have a link to pictures/diagrams?especially for ง

Thyere is another one here http://www.thai-language.com/lessons/?les=795812

for the click2 thai how many words are on the program?

Unfortunately the other program doesn't seem to have thai script, so not much use to me.

what does register on only 1 computer mean? I am getting anew computer in a few months, will I ned to buy another copy?

I tried to open at Bangkok Bank in sukhumvit 11 last week- NO way without a work permit. Not a big deal, I just returned later with my WP..

I like ambassodor city becuase of the large swimming pools, especially the 50m Olympic. They have 4 main buildings and you can get prices from 750baht for the Inn wing up to 5000 baht for a good room in the best wing. BIG differences in quality between wings.

there was a documentary on Discovery channel last month reporting on a surge in attacks on humans by elephants over the last 10 years or so.. I didn't catch it all.

I just bought a cyber dict, but went for the cheap version (1750 baht with the discounts they now offer). has a huge vocabulary and the screen is easy to read.

went to ambassdor last week. prices are now 100 baht for hotel guests for gym and pool and 300 baht for non guests.

If it is a normal non immigrant B visa you only have a 90 day stay anyhow - if you need to take a vacation during that period you would require a re-entry permit from Immigration at a cost of 1,000 baht prior to travel. I suspect you will extend your stay one year at a time from immigration and after doing that you will require the same re-entry permit prior to any travel. If you plan frequent travel a multi entry type valid until the current permitted to stay date is available for 3,800 baht.

Thanks lopburi! So when I extend my visa (after getting a work permit) I can pay for a Multi entry while still in Thailand. Any potential hicups?

Hmm, it is a single entry. Is that going to be a problem, what happens when I take holidays?

Received my Non B, took 2 days after I sent the application.

The only problem was that they insisted on a criminal record check, which took 2 weeks to arrive from the NZ privacy commission. I told them I was working for a university and I understood criminal record check only applies to non-tertiary educators, but they say new rules say that it applies even to professors.

Thailand must be the only country that doesn't distinguish professors from teachers, but anyway I did what was asked and they were quick to grant it.

Hi

I want to rent a car on monthly basis . I arrive in bangkok on october 11 and can pick up the car sometime after that. I saw an advert for 10,000 baht a month, and that is the maximum price I want to pay (less is better). The car can be up to 10 years old.

pm if you know anyone who is in the car rental business.

if the school is "true-blue" international it should be paying more in the neighborhood of 120K+.

Can someone confirm that genuine international schools pay over 120,000/ month.

where exactly is yanhee, anyone have a map?

Nice post canadiangirl.

thanks! If you happen to visit the mall and see a gym I would appreciate an update.

Looking at moving to Ayutthaya but want to know it has enough amenities? Modern shoppping malls etc...? Gyms,??

In the 25 years I have been visting thailand I would say things now are not worse than at any other time. In fact around 98, 99 it was probably more dire.

Here is someone who had a good experience in Thailand. I think it depends on kamma as to whether one meets the right or wrong people.

http://www.vipassana.info/buddhism_in_daily_life.htm

Buddhism In Daily Life

by Nina van Gorkom

This book was written in Thailand where I lived for some years. When I got to know the Thai people, I was impressed by their generosity. In Thailand one meets many people who do not set a limit to their generosity, be they rich or poor, and one is inspired to be more generous oneself. When one meets the Thais one notices their sincerity, their tolerance and their wise attitude towards the problems of life. I was also impressed by the earnestness and dedication of the monks who lead a life of simplicity, “contented with little”, and who try to realize the Buddhist teachings in their daily lives. When I visited the temples in Thailand, I saw Buddhism being lived in daily life.