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40 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

More likely he is playing golf with Blair and Cameron.

Or showing May the English countryside with his Ferrari.

 

Well let's not blame England for giving him refuge when it is up to the Thai authorities to actually issue a warrant.

They either issue a red notice or they don't.

Just now, onthesoi said:

I don't see how the news would break if he was travelling incognito and/or on fake documents, hes been evading authorities for a while now and has access to almost infinite resources and high level contacts so not beyond the bounds of possibility, for eg why is there no news of exactly where he is?  The authorities in some countries do leave rich people alone but the media do not.

 

Also, England the UK has a long history of protecting rich criminals....they even allowed Thaksin to buy Liverpool FC, while it was public knowledge he caused the deaths of thousands and was corrupt.

Well if he wants to hole up in some crappy place like Port Rush more power to him.

He has a distinct face and look and basically we know where he lives in England. There is no place for him to hide there.

Just now, onthesoi said:

 

It's possible he could be travelling under the passport of another person or even under diplomatic protection....knowing the circles he moves in.

That news would break. England would be the last place I would go if I am him. I would do time in a place where rich people are left alone. There are many places that are like that. 

Just now, onthesoi said:

No one knows for sure where he is, so who can say for sure if hes in the UK or not, the rest of your post is just repeating what I've said already.

 

However, we do know he was in the UK a few weeks/months ago, which is what is being discussed....the reason he is no longer legally in the UK is probably down to the aforementioned UK immigration guidelines.

if he is in the UK now I would be shocked they have a very capable police force and one of the most intrusive paparazzi in the world. Last we know he left Singapore. There is no trail that leads him to England right now and it would be very surprising if he was located there. If he is there it is 100% certain he is found.

So we actually agree. If he has half a brain he is somewhere with out extradition agreements. 

Just now, oldhippy said:

He isn't in the UK any longer so what does that matter?

Maybe he is not, maybe he is. What matters is that he was, and that the UK immigration neglected their duty.

 

Any country can refuse a visa if they don't like the flavor of bubble gum you chew. A visa only gives permission to land at a point of entry and ask permission to enter.

Indeed. So you agree that the UK could have sent this scum away, on entry or afterwards. Even without using the rules that Onthesoi explained to you several times.

 

Please stop being such a Thai. The more you try to save FACE, the deeper you sink in the hole you dug.

 

 

They could do whatever they want but were under no obligation it is their country and at their discretion. Hopefully he is in the UK now because at this point it would be checkmate. 

He had no international warrants at the time and was facing a minor charge when he entered the UK. He is a billionaire what do you expect? There still isn't an international arrest warrant for him. He now has a blue notice which means he is to be located and questioned.

Refusal of entry wouldn't matter as you get to choose where you go when refused entry. Deportation is another matter and if he violates the terms of a visa and gets deported he will be sent to Thailand unless he is a resident of another country.

In order to deport somebody you must let them into your country so refusal of a visa or denial of entry wouldn't have mattered anyway. He would have to enter the UK and violate his visa. You can not arbitrarily deport people but you can arbitrarily refuse entry. 

Hope that clears things up.

He isn't in the UK any longer so what does that matter? Any country can refuse a visa if they don't like the flavor of bubble gum you chew. A visa only gives permission to land at a point of entry and ask permission to enter.

Just now, onthesoi said:

 

Did you read the document I linked? ...he doesn't even have to be charged never mind proven in order to be deported or visa refused.

 

However ...as a matter of public record he has already admitted what he did.

I was only commenting on one comment you made.  It is still for the court to prove. For all we know those statements could be inadmissible in court. Again the allegations have not been proved. Do you not get what trials are for?

.As for "unproven allegations", hes already admitted the offences in Thailand,

I am simply saying the allegations are indeed not proved. Pretty simple concept. He hasn't been tried.

Just now, Mrjlh said:

It was the Thai Police that was informed not Tahiti.  Tahiti isn't going to do crap.

What did you expect them to do when he was in Tahiti? they need to file a red notice. After that when he is arrested they can request extradition.

Just now, Mrjlh said:

At that time they didn't even know where he was.  They were looking for him so they could track him or figure out how to get him back.  How they planned on doing that is completely different issue. The point is they were told where was was long ago.  If the courts are to lazy to do anything so are the cops.  Now it's suddenly a big deal.  So go look in the family resort, they were given the name. I doubt they will.

The point is it wasn't a matter for the authorities in Tahiti at that particular time.

Just now, onthesoi said:

 

It's a "nonsense position"?

 

Did you not read my post quoting from the UK Home Office visa rules and the link to the Guidelines document used by UK immigration officers? ...let me give you the cliff notes, if any applicant was involved in the injury or death of another( the actual example they use is drunk driving CHECK! ), it also says if the case is high profile CHECK!, it also says the applicant is not required to be convicted of the crime CHECK!......then either the visa should be denied or if the applicant is already here they should be deported. 

 

If you haven't worked it out by now, Vorayuth Yoovidhya fits the definition perfectly, its almost like the UK Immigration had his case in mind when the wrote the 'Visa Refusal' guidelines....

 

 

 

....As for "unproven allegations", hes already admitted the offences in Thailand, please inform yourself of the bare facts of both the case in Thailand and UK visa rules and then reference them directly when replying to prevent the conversation from being remedial.

That is for a trial to decide not us. 

Just now, Mrjlh said:

But he was for failure to appear in court a different and lesser charge.

 

If he had no international warrant he wasn't a fugitive in Tahiti. 

2 minutes ago, Mrjlh said:

Try the family resort in Tahiti.  That's were my daughter saw him a year ago.  Tried to tell authorities but nope...no listened.

Probably because he wasn't a fugitive last year.

Just noticed that now the statute is 15 years not 10 like before. There really should be no statute if a warrant has been issued. It is just so backwards.

2 minutes ago, tomwct said:

I don't think this will be acceptable to the US Government, which is pushing for a 5 or 10 year Visa to Match the 5 or 10 year Visa awarded to Thai;s!

I don't think the US government cares what Thailand does either way. 

Why not a red notice?

5 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

I never used to break into machines but as a kid in London in the 50's we used a lolly stick to unblock jammed public phone boxes and postage stamp machines, quite a lucrative sideline for a 7 year old  

We used to do the offering boxes at churches. Just take a paper clip and some scotch tape. Take an incense stick provided by the church tape your paper clip hook to it and start fishing. Give a man a fish he can eat for a day  but give him a fishing pole and he can afford candy and soda. 

1 hour ago, cyberfarang said:

I bet this man will never serve a day in prison.

 

Anyone wish to give me some odds?

He willbe in prison with in 5 years. I will take 10 to 1 odds. My $10 to your $100

59 minutes ago, Lemonltr said:

Is he a convicted cop killer then?

Funny how people seem to put so much value on the life of a Thai cop between vehemently accusing them of incompetence.

If he is really on an interpol red alert he will be detained. The farcical paranoid outright uninformed comments here are laughable. 

36 minutes ago, lkn said:

It does include breakfast, at least the deal (from their site) that I am looking at says: “Offer includes accommodation plus daily gourmet breakfast”.

 

Personally, if I would need the lounge access (for some stays, I really like having an executive lounge) then I would definitely go for the Junior Suite booked directly with the hotel, rather than take the Deluxe Suite via TE :)

 

 

God knows after we pay for the visa we need to find some deals. :)

Just now, berybert said:

The picture says nothing about him being wanted by Interpol. It just has the date he left a house in London.

He has travelled far and wide since then, Probably been in and out of Thailand. He is above the law of the land.

If he wasn't he would have been in and out of jail by now.

The Thai authorities said they informed interpol. Guess you just have to trust them.

Just now, berybert said:

Is he wanted by Interpol and was he when he last showed up in Britain.

 

april 5 according to the pic.