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10 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

 

Dawg origin

This was the 1970s, before Ted Turner was famous outside of Georgia. But the program was called "Deputy Dawg," and it was spelled this way. And this is a "suth'nism," if you catch my drift: an eye dialect on how Southerners actually pronounce words as opposed to the American English standard.

Exhibit A Dawg:

6 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I can assure you that me talking about the Punjabi influence on the English language has done nothing to make your point, in fact it has rubbished it.

 

Jamaican patois does not contain the vernacular 'init', however British Jamaican youths use the term, having picked it up in the UK, where it developed originally from British Punjabi youths.  You should, unless you are a completely hopeless racist, be able to see that 'init' is no more a black thing than it is a white thing.

 

Do you think that white kids in Georgia say dawg to try to sound like black people?  How would that work considering they all say dawg, blacks and whites the same.  The pronunciation is an imitation of a southern states accent, nothing to do with black people, get over it, you were wrong about both examples you gave.

Two things:

1. I made it clear in my first reply that you were correct about "innit" being of Punjabi origin. Although there are Punjabi elements in youth slang the bulk of it comes from the black immigrant culture. So you can move on from the Punjabi thing now as you seem to be stuck there and ignoring the relevant point. Why it seems to be difficult for you to admit that white British kids like to talk like black kids (a fact supported by linguists) seems to be a denial of the obvious.

2. If you do a quick google search you will see that "dawg" in the urban dictionary  means "Slang for "my close acquaintance of an African-American ethnic background" . So yes white kids are trying to sound like black guys when they say it and not like their white grandfathers. Again, quite obvious you'd think.

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Oh, so British Punjabi culture is being imitated by British youths, really, and there was me thinking they are British youths, you learn something everyday, I guess you meant that British youths pick up vernaculars from their peers. 

 

But what are you on about when you say, 'black culture'?  Punjabi is a language, the speakers of it tend not to be black people.

 

Dawg really did become popular from the Deputy Dawg cartoon and if you didn't realize he was a white dog who happened to come from the Southern states where people pronounce dog like dawg, that has nothing to do with black people, it is just a regional accent.

 

So, as you said, or at least implied, you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about.

 

 

You're making my point for me. White British youths are imitating the vernacular of immigrants, particularly Jamaican patois. Or to put it another triggering way for you, "talking black". Ali G typified this whole phenomenon to a tee.

As for "wassup dawg", yes white kids say that because of the original old cartoon and has nothing at all to do with hearing cool black dudes say it to each other and trying to imitate them. Riiiiiiight.

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Nice try with the racist generalizations, shame you don't know what you are talking about.

 

'Init' comes from Punjabi communities in the UK, nothing to do with the West Indies, it is a direct translation of 'Haina" a Punjabi tag on negative question word and gained hold in the UK in the West Midlands where lots of Punjabi words have made it into the British vocabulary.

 

'What's up, dawg', comes from combining Bugs Bunny's, 'What's up, doc?', with the pronunciation of dog seen in the cartoon Deputy Dawg, people started saying, 'What's up, dawg', in the 70's when Deputy Dawg was on TV, nothing to do with "talk black", whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.

"Nice try with the racist generalizations, shame you don't know what you are talking about."

Never watched Ali G then?

“The term MLE describes a ‘social dialect’ (sociolect), an informal spoken style of UK English used initially by ‘younger’ speakers and first identified and associated with London,” Antony Thorne, a linguistics researcher at King’s College London, wrote to me. “This way of speaking is characterised by a vocabulary reflecting a high degree of ‘black’ (terms possibly coined by African-Caribbean speakers in the UK, and US black ‘street’ language and hip hop terminology) influences, with some noticeable ‘cockney’ elements too. "

"'Init' comes from Punjabi communities in the UK, nothing to do with the West Indies, it is a direct translation of 'Haina""

I stand corrected. 

"people started saying, 'What's up, dawg', in the 70's when Deputy Dawg was on TV, nothing to do with "talk black""

"The word "dawg" is often used when referring to or gretting friends -- mainly used by the Black American community. Alternative words used instead of "dawg" are: homie, gangster, G, n*gger, bro, brava, etc."

"nothing to do with "talk black", whatever the hell that is supposed to mean."

Look it up then. Also known as African American Vernacular English or Ebonics. 

So, as I said in my original comment, white youth culture in both the US and UK is highly imitative of black culture. 

3 hours ago, BangkokSausage said:

They will if you like a career bar girl that's 50 and can no longer attract customers. Lots of farang in Pattaya who are pensioners scratching out a living can be seen with them. Not judging just stating facts

Pensioners aren't broke by Isarn standards - even if it's small, they get a guaranteed monthly income from their home country and that's pretty sexshy to a Thai woman ?

On 7/1/2018 at 5:09 AM, mstevens said:

Even if a foreign bloke has nothing going for him (no money, no game, no looks and no future), he can still find plenty of Thai women who will give him a chance.  That can cause some to say that Thai women are special, when perhaps what they mean is that Thai women give them a chance when women from their homeland do not.

I strongly disagree. If you're broke, ugly dude, hell if you're a broke good looking dude, it is highly unlikely that a Thai girl is going to be interested in developing a relationship with you.

4 hours ago, cyberfarang said:

It seems there have been many jobs created just for the sake of. For example, the staff that hand out tickets in store car and motorbike parking lots. 

 

IMO this is better than having people sit at home on the dole like in the West.

2 hours ago, Mattd said:

This is indeed correct, however, 90% just do not bother, a good example is my ex. wife's family, her two sisters had 5 boys between them, none of these got past the age of 13 at school, none of them have ever worked or even make any attempt to work, not claiming anything etc. I would imagine that is likely to be representative of a good percentage of Issan, where the unemployment is probably reasonably high, though due to no other reason than not particularly wanting to work.

How much are the support payments? If it's too low a lot won't bother, especially if there's a whole heap of running back and forth with paper work and waiting in long ques.

11 minutes ago, HAKAPALITA said:

An astute observation, English is the status symbol for Chins today.My only dislike is that very few Native Brit teachers cant speak without some weird dialect as if its something to be proud  about....Im happy i learned from BBC in the late 50s  before it went Geordie Shore yob/chav style.!!. My spelllnz kin awfull, but its comunication that matters

The younger generation in England like to imitate black West Indian mode of English innit? In the same way white kids (wiggers) in the US talk black - wassup dawg?

On 3/15/2018 at 10:10 PM, Coconut007 said:

99% chance of being made by the big 3... so overpriced shit anyway

It's 53 baht / 1.61usd. Not exactly pricey ?

14 hours ago, ncc1701d said:

Interesting, but there's more at stake then just carbon footprint. At the moment, there is no effective method to stop a lot of plastic bags ending up in the oceans / waterways. And most aren't biodegradable. 

The way to stop them ending up in oceans and waterways is to correctly dispose of them at the individual and household level and have them effectively removed to a sanitary disposal site or landfill, something that countries in the west are doing an excellent job of currently. Note that Five Asian Countries Dump More Plastic Into Oceans Than Anyone Else Combined.

The problem isn't plastic bags, it's proper waste disposal. 

17 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Wrong. I live here. Though I do live in an exceptionally clean area. I agree there is more that can be done. They need to install 30,000 trash receptacles nationwide. It sometimes takes me 10 minutes to find a bin to put something in Bangkok. And Samui needs to arrest the mayor, so they can divert the money to the waste management plant, that is being sucked into his many, many personal accounts. And in Issan, they need to establish a trash collection program for most villages. But, most Thai people are quite clean. And many houses I see are well kept. 

So in other words it's no where near as tidy as the West ?

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Strange perspective. I consider Thailand to be quite clean. Most Thais I know shower two or three times a day. Their clothes are usually spotless. Many mop their floors daily. I see them constantly sweeping, dusting, and washing their cars. In the west, I see floors that have not seen a mop in weeks. It is all relative. I see some smaller towns here that really go out of their way to clean, and keep their homes looking quite nice. 

 

When I spent time in India, a case could be made for the filth. Everywhere you looked, there was thick film of dust, and grime. Not the case here. Alot of the stores and markets are immaculate. 

My impression is when compared to the West Thai's are generally cleaner when it comes to their person and personal presentation but less so when it comes to homes, yards, lawns, litter etc. The exceptions are cars and some other personal belongings. Plenty of exceptions of course.

3 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

Of course it will....but let’s applaud the fact that they’re making a start

They made a start many years back. They are still making a start. At some point it has to be called for what it is.

3 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

How is it pointless? The point is to reduce plastic bag use and it does this effectively. The more people that use a reusable bag, the fewer plastic bags are released into the environment.

 

It seems that following this method is very much the rational thing to do.

 

It seems irrational not to want to reduce plastic bag use.

 

Could you perhaps explain why not trying to reduce plastic bag use seems rational to you?

I refuse plastic bags all the time and have a pile I reuse at home but we all know it has precisely zero effect on the environment. Thai people smile and say that's nice that the eccentric farang does it or his Thai wife does it but they also know that rubbish is piling up on the streets and when it's finally collected it's often dumped in unsanitary piles creating an environmental disaster in the making. They know the beaches are strewn with rubbish. They know how their fellow citizens behave. So why bother? Do you think you're setting an example that is going to shame people into action, awaken some kind of shift in consciousness? Of course not. So why would a Thai do it?

And all that said I still reduce and recycle plastic bags even in spite of the futility ? but I totally get why it appears illogical to Thai people

14 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Interesting. Is that because it makes it look like you are poor by reusing a bag, or is it just going against the crowd that is the issue?

She probably quite rationally finds the whole exercise pointless and embarrassing.

A ban isn't the answer. Efficient and timely garbage collection and proper disposal (landfills etc) is the remedy.  Also the fishing industry needs to be told that they can't use the ocean as a rubbish tip anymore.

35 minutes ago, jaiyen said:

 Here in Perth Woolworths have stopped giving out any plastic bags effective today.  Try doing that in Thailand !

Perth is already a nice and clean place with or without plastic bags so a ban isn't going to change things much - ditto for the rest of Australia.  Five countries in Asia send more plastic into the oceans than the rest of the world combined (Thailand in at number 7 according to the link below). It's going to take more than a puff piece in a news paper article every year or so to fix this in Thailand.

https://www.statista.com/chart/12211/the-countries-polluting-the-oceans-the-most/

1 hour ago, wealthychef said:

 

  BTW, they've shown that highly educated and intelligent people are better at defending irrational biases against good evidence.  So "stupid" is a bad description of them.  

 

I prefer the term "the clever silly" for this group of people.