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Why do so many members of TV have trouble to understand the situation.

From the 1st day that Gen. Prayuth and his Junta took the power by a coup, he made it very clear to everybody that the freedom of speech was annihilated and publishing anything that does not support the viewpoint of him or his croonies would be punished (art. 44).

This law was never changed as long as the Junta is in power.

Accept that.

After all, that was what the majority of TV members wanted (PAD, Thugsuban, etc.)

Good point, but as guest in this country and live here, i really don't care how they run it. I cant vote, we can have a opinion. If the people in power don't want me here, i have to move on simple is that. Its a waste of time and energy to get angry and talk bad about leaders of this country.

There country

As far as I know, Thailand is a country where you can have an opinion as long as you keep it to yourself.

Say or write your opinion about the Monarchy and let's see how far you get.

Even before the Junta.

You knew these rules before entering Thailand.

My point. Enjoy your life here, and don't care about how they run the country, but many farang cant leave the political opinion behind

I'm sure all anti-PTP junta cheerleaders feel like you despite claiming neutrality. You know your boys will be running the show for many years to come and you don't want anyone rocking the boat.

Why do so many members of TV have trouble to understand the situation.

From the 1st day that Gen. Prayuth and his Junta took the power by a coup, he made it very clear to everybody that the freedom of speech was annihilated and publishing anything that does not support the viewpoint of him or his croonies would be punished (art. 44).

This law was never changed as long as the Junta is in power.

Accept that.

After all, that was what the majority of TV members wanted (PAD, Thugsuban, etc.)

Excepting Taksin's son who, the BP has reported today, will not be summoned. Why's that then? They're all the bloody same.

But but Thaksin's son....

The US$ will lose its dominance if the relationship between Russia and Europe improves. If you understand our current fiat money system this is what the whole story is all about.

"The eyes are the mirror to the soul" Have look at Putins - pure evil.

People here believe that there is nothing to do about rising hostility towards foreigners.

They think that as long as THEY are getting by, everything is fine.

Thank you for reporting that and I do sympathize with you, you have been treated disgracefully.

Don't listen to StoneyBoy he has already left the place because he was so cheesed off, so really it's rich of him to tell us to endure.

And no, we don't just have to leave if we don't like it, we can report, complain, use social Media etc, the Hua Hin case is a good example.

Well said! Now if the guy had been rude to the IO, the sunshiners on here would have been up in arms.

TJA Wanchai call for press freedom , this comes about once a year , people tend to forget that not only is the freedom of the press under the junta been eroded , it has been under stress for some time, particularly under the Thaksin Shinawatra administration , who would withdraw licenses pull the plug on radio stations , on unfavorable media attention, refuse reporters access to press stops and in general were complete ar!!ls if they didn't get their way , Thaksin went ballistic about his private company Shincorp getting bad press in the billion US Dollar sale to Singapore Government company Tamarisk holdings , when he paid no taxes, err the list is endless........................ .

Don't know how many times it needs saying, but if the people didn't like what Thaksin was doing they could vote him out. Whereas now....

They may be stooges but I bet they are right about the financial backing.

You can bet what you like mate but don't you think the millions of people who voted the previous govt into power are capable of expressing a few contrary opinions without being financed by a certain person. It's not as though there has been mass protests like we got from Suthep and co.

So far all I've heard are a few mutterings about the charter, some opinions on social media and a few students going to a park on a train to investigate suspected corruption.

Total outlay of a few thousand baht at the outside.

Where did I support any of the things you imply I do?

Oh yes, I'm not your mate.

You can rest assured that with your views on this thread and others, I didn't use "Mate" as a term of endearment.

They may be stooges but I bet they are right about the financial backing.

You can bet what you like mate but don't you think the millions of people who voted the previous govt into power are capable of expressing a few contrary opinions without being financed by a certain person. It's not as though there has been mass protests like we got from Suthep and co.

So far all I've heard are a few mutterings about the charter, some opinions on social media and a few students going to a park on a train to investigate suspected corruption.

Total outlay of a few thousand baht at the outside.

So is it official now? British tourists are now allowed to come to Thailand get drunk as usual and go around beating the crap out of people or am I really missing the moral of this whole story?

This is just really creepy... I mean which is more stupid and childish the "Thai can do no wrong", or the "Brit can do no wrong"? lol At least the Thais are only following this stupid rule in their own country - the Brits apparently believe that they are entitled to this rule anywhere in the world now! lol Now tell me which is the bigger problem and who has more issues - the Thais or the Brits?

So again what's the moral of the story - were they right to take matters into their own hands and use violence to "educate" the locals? Is this the message they are trying to send out there?

If I needed to go around just 1 mile of wherever the Thai thugs are hanging out, it looks like I'm gonna need to walk around at least 2 miles of wherever the hell the British people are usually getting drunk from now on, lol

Did you watch the actual video? If so, were you stoned or something or are you just blind? The only people who got the crap beaten out of them were the Brits. The most "violent" thing done by any of the Brits was when the 65 year old woman slapped the Thai man in the face after he had pushed her son onto the ground.

Please, watch the damned video before you comment so that you have at least some idea of what you are talking about.

First of all - all them were drunk, and their sonny lil boy was in a drunken stupor - the main reason he fell in the first place... The Thai man was not right to push him like that in retaliation but that was in no way intended to deliver any kind of serious damage - the punishment should fit the crime - don't you think? - and not that the Brits have any right to act as the police/judge and the jury in this country?? What the british couple did after that I see as a problem - the grannie slapped somebody and then the daddy threw a punch - all because they suspected somebody was "dissing" their little drunken sonny - this was not "self defense", it was a deliberate use of force to compensate for the British couples' loss of face lol... they are definitely worse than Thais - I mean would you go around punching people because you feel you were insulted in a foreign country?? I'm not justifying what happened after that, but I don't see that the Brits were better in this whole situation precisely because they are older - and should know better how to handle situations like this and that violence doesn't really solve anything...

Again dwelling on who caused it rather than condemning six young guys in their prime severely beating two pensioners and their middle-aged son. They outnumbered the olduns two to one for god's sake without taking age into consideration.

Some of the people on here make me want to vomit.

"When a government fears the people there is liberty, when the people fears the government there is tyranny" ; Thomas Jefferson.

Now what do the people have here? Express your opinion and we don't approve of it = attitude adjustment,

have a red bowl = charges with ten year gaol,

Express your opinion on the draft charter = gaol.

Click like on FB = gaol.

Calling for independent investigation of corruption for a park down south = attitude adjustment............

so you think you have free speech in Austrailia then

I suggest you go do a little research, there is no such a thing as free speech - there are always limits and boundaries for very obvious reasons, some countries are more strict than others, it can also depend on what is going on that could result in special powers being introduced for limited periods, there are certain groups and individuals in Thailand right now that would like nothing better than to cause trouble and violence, we have seen it many times in the past and most of us have a reasonable idea who is behind it.

People have been told they can individually express how they feel about the charter, what they are not allowed to do is distort its content or create a protest group and take to the streets

A lot of people are going to lose their theiving ability when this charter is passed and we are talking very large amounts of money - quite frankly I am very pleased with that

In a country where votes were bought for 500 bht , you never really had a democracy.

This BS keeps being repeated, but hand on heart, do you really believe that people don't just pocket the money and then go out and vote for their party of choice?

 

Regardless of who or what Watana maybe , the message this sends to the international business community is to stay well away from Thailand.......................... .

Actually, the message it sends to the whole world, is to stay well away from Thailand.

only to that part of the world that don't understand

that Watana is not standing for democracy but for a former regime that robbed the country to the bones and want to resume asap

he is not following his consciousness but is a dishonest trickster payed by another even greater dishonest trickster

and

the military regime is the only alternative Thgailand has to the previous robbing dishonest regimes which were far from democracy (t: democracy is NOT the ggoal) but using the word democracy for just opportune reasons

and there is no developed strong democratic group that could bring the country forward

the present military regime is the only chance Thailand has - they performed better than the previous dishonest, even criminal regimes - let's wait what they will achieve

They are all trying to rob the country to the bones mate. The names and personal allegiances change. But the game's always the same.

The only chance Thailand has is the double force of internet freedom (with it's uncensored information and social media exposures) now that it's widely available in Thailand, and an extended stab at voting for governments without excessive unelected oversight. It will, of course, mean ugly, corrupt democratic governments, which will come under ever-increasing scrutiny due to said internet freedoms, and which will become much more populace-friendly in the medium term. This is how it has worked in the vast majority of civilised nations. The alternative is uglier, equally corrupt undemocratic governments protected from exposure of corrupt practices by such things as internet gateways. We all know about the only way of getting rid of the latter, and it's rarely pretty.

Why else do you think the current Mafia are so keen on locking down the internet?

Excellent post. Now if only the fanboys could see outside of their blinkers.

 

Regardless of who or what Watana maybe , the message this sends to the international business community is to stay well away from Thailand.......................... .

Actually, the message it sends to the whole world, is to stay well away from Thailand.

only to that part of the world that don't understand

that Watana is not standing for democracy but for a former regime that robbed the country to the bones and want to resume asap

he is not following his consciousness but is a dishonest trickster payed by another even greater dishonest trickster

and

the military regime is the only alternative Thgailand has to the previous robbing dishonest regimes which were far from democracy (t: democracy is NOT the ggoal) but using the word democracy for just opportune reasons

and there is no developed strong democratic group that could bring the country forward

the present military regime is the only chance Thailand has - they performed better than the previous dishonest, even criminal regimes - let's wait what they will achieve

The majority of the Thai people seemed to like the previous regime. Now wouldn't you say that that's the important thing here?

If only he had been this principled when that Amnesty Bill was being rammed through...

Which, the one that the junta successfully rammed through, or the one that was stopped by the democratic processes?

Completely off topic rant: why the heck is it soooo trendy here on TV to use the word "apologist". This word is hardly used anywhere else in the media! Mix it up a little please!!

Limited vocabulary and intellect, it's still fashionable to use despite being massively passe, says much about the poster using the word.

Popular because it describes to a tee the person it's aimed at and unfortunately we have lots of them on here, don't we.

Also bear in mind that this is a forum, not an examination for a degree in English grammar.

Too bad she didn't use this logic when she was PM.

Instead different opinions might help to develop the country, she said.

To be fair to her I think that might have been her only good point. Even during the protests after the failed election she said that the proposals put forward by Abhisit should at least be looked at and discussed to try to find a way forward. Maybe if her advice had been followed thing may have turned out differently but that didn't seem to happen. But then she wasn't in charge was she.

Maybe if she listened to outsiders about the rice scam, or even insiders. Maybe if she listened to others about not trying to push forward the amnesty. Maybe....

She wasn't known for listening to those with opposing views.

If I remember correctly, in recent years, some other lot granted themselves amnesty without the parliamentary checks and balances of Yingluck's failed attempt. Any comment you'd like to make on that?

Don't recall the Statements attributed to PM Prayut being publicly reported on at the time.

So now Yingluck is commenting on a conversation between her & PM Prayut some time ago, that was a private conversation.

As other have observed, obviously the "Puppeteer from Dubai" is sticking his oar in once again, to stir the pot & create dissent.

The man is a megalomaniac; time Gov't took a strong stance against Thaksin & have him extradited & jailed as any other common criminal would be.

It's been said so many times, also common sense should tell you, that no civilised country is going to return an ex elected PM to a country ruled by an unelected junta.

Sorry but you need to watch the video again at about 1,14 seconds in the dad sucker punches the thai man that is being held. They all got what they deserved apart from mom kick to the face. There being made to look like the victims here which is far from the truth.

Hope I never get you for my defence council.

i live in Hua Hin.

I have first person info that one Farang (unidentified in the press, but well know here in Hua Hin) has now become the subject of serious police harassment over his trying to come to the aid of the family.

He may lose his business and have to return to the UK.

Not surprising.

He was interfering with Thai internal matters, and as a expat with a business he should have known better.....

They might even try to pin the leak on him, since there is nothing better than a foreign scapegoat....

A nightmare for the country,.....how about for all the fearful tourists and expats who live here waiting for their own kick to the head ?

As long as you don't escalate stuff like they did the risks are not that high. The old lady hit a guy in his face before it all started and then her hubby helped her. Just because her son shoved a Thai and got shoved back.

They certainly did not help their case.. yes the violence in response was over the top and should be punished.. but they were certainly not innocent.

I said it before and I say it again, you, me and no one else but the people involved and within hearing distance knows what transpired for the woman to slap the first guy in the face.

If you believe she did it without reason, up to you my friend.

There's NO excuse whatever transpired before or after the slap, to hit a Woman of any age or race and then kick her in the face, DON'T make up any excuses because there are NONE.

We know he did not hit her and that would be the only reason to do so. If he called her a cheap whore...still not a legal justification for slapping someone in the street. Don't justify bad behavior just because she is an old lady.

You're still trying to lessen the blame by dwelling on who started it. It doesn't matter who deserves the blame for that, it's the level of violence by six young blokes on a family of three tourists which disgusts everyone. You definitely don't kick an old lady in the face after she has already been punched to the ground. Absolutely despicable, as is anyone trying to find justification for it.

There is none.

I remember when that story broke. I was a high schooler in Wash.DC at the time. A brave man, and true liberal activities. I respect him.

The other side of the coin were people like Macnamera, Nixon, Haig, Kissinger. ......all dirty crooks who hobbled America. Macnamera (considered a Republican Whiz Kid was asked, year later, whether he made the right decisions about being so hawkish about the VN war. After a long pause, he grinned and said he would probably have done things differently. Ummmm, tell that to the parents/sisters/brothers of the 50,000+ American young men who died there, and the quarter million Vietnamese. Even to this day, I won't go visit VN because I'm ashamed for what my country did there fifty years ago.

Kissinger was even worse, if that's possible. The icing on the cake was K was given a Nobel Peace Prize! The co-recipient, the Viet Cong commander, wisely and humbly didn't accept the ill-gotten prize.

It's ironic, that Republicans currently are trying as hard as possible to savage HRC as the worse person since Attila the Hun. What did she do? Used a private web server for personal emails. ....and Benghazi, which may or may not have contributed to a few Americans getting killed. Yet how do the same Hillary haters see Nixon, Haig, Kissinger, Macnamera who actively and consciously enabled the killing of tens of thousands of Americans, and untold hundreds of thousands of Asians. They even contributed to Cambodia's Khmer Rouge problem.

I won't shed any tears for this guy.

Apartments or houses in big cities are usually quieter than village life.

I agree. If you enjoy peace and quiet and dislike bass-heavy music live in the middle of nowhere or in a city. Avoid villages, temples and beaches like the plague. I speak from experience.

"this was drunken thuggery fuelled by alcohol as a volatile situation spiralled, albeit just a brushed arm initially, albeit just a brushed arm initially"

It's pretty amazing that so many farang dismiss the initial contact as trivial 'brushed arm' when the video clearly shows the Brit man grabbing the Thai man by the arm and casually pushing him aside as if he were a child.

This was an incredibly offensive act and is what led to the confrontation Had the Brit sidestepped to avoid someone who had been clearly drinking, none of this wouldve happened. Instead he acted out in an arrogant and clearly aggressive fashion. Perhaps he had been drinking as well prior to this altercation?

Let's not forget the same Brit restraining another Thai man from behind so his dad could assault him. What was he thinking? I'm in Thailand surrounded by Thais, but no matter, I'm going to hold another Thai so he can get his face bashed in.

And what about the Brit mother? Clearly she wasnt thinking straight and was under the influence of alcohol to so rashly slap a local in a foreign country.

What kind of people act this way as guests in a foreign country? Clearly theyre not as innocent as many other farang and western media make them out to be.

Being elderly does not give one a free pass to assault others without retaliation.

You keep looking at the cause rather than the reaction so that if you can convince people that the family started it, then that makes the ensuing severe beating ok.

Looked like granny started it - she don't be doing that again in a hurry.

That is an incredibly unsympathetic, niaive and distasteful post. What's wrong with some of the 'people' on here?

Every single baby born in Thailand is brainwashed from birth to believe that Thailand is not only the finest country in the world but it is also the largest. This is the literal teaching they receive every day in school and is enforced by the press and the TV. Along with this is the implication that all foreigners are by nature inferior, somehow not entirely human, and to be tolerated, at best. At worst, particularly with young Thai men (who have a mental age of an adolescent out of control with an excess of testosterone) farangs are to not to be tolerated, given the slightest excuse. Add to this cultural belief that any kind of loss of face concerning a farang needs addressing immediately, and the aggression and hatred bursts out. As Thai men never go anywhere alone, this usually involves an enraged mob.

This wasn't just someone pushing back to save face. This was an outburst of hatred and rage - coming back again and again to punch and kick the old people who were already semi-conscious on the ground.

If further argument is needed, the same culture teaches Thai people to venerate the aged. Which they do. Unless the old people are not real people - ie foreigners.

It is irrelevant who pushed first or if the farangs started it or not. This incident is yet another example that Thailand is not a civilised nation in the way the rest of the world understands the concept. This is a country where there is so much dissatisfaction and aggression that the name of the daily exercise for everyone is to make everything *appear* wonderful and keep things in line with way that the Thais like to perceive themselves - smiling and gentle. In other words - do absolutely anything at all to save face.

Unfortunately for Thailand, again and again and again over the last few years, the instantaneous nature of social media and its global coverage is revealing the lies and cover-ups almost daily to the rest of the world. And the more it happens, the more tragic the Thai reaction, as they panic and flap about pathetically with implausible explanations and responses which only serve to dig them deeper in the shit, as they desperately try to save some last despairing shred of face like senseless schoolkids babbling obvious lies at the teacher.

Very sadly, I think it's all going to get a lot worse before it begins to get any better.

Very well said Rob.

Although the attackers, who outnumbered this family two to one I find despicable, the ones who really make me want to throw up are the farang apologists for them on here.

But the elephant-in-the-room in all these threads about the state of things in los, is not what will be done about IT, but how MUCH of IT each of you will take before you decide enough-is-enough, and take the decision to pack up and leave ? There is after all, something deranged about ranting on and on about how awful it all is and at the same time volunteering to remain.

Because a lot of us are married to Thais. I'd have been off my marks years ago if I'd been single. My respect for the locals diminishes by the day. Land of smiles my aris.