welo

A short word on visa agent services at Aranya Prathet/Poipet border.

• The Cambodian Visa is offered for 1000 THB up (including the 20 USD=700THB** visa fee).
  What you'll get: you wait in the air-conditioned agency office while a tout will take your passport, fill out the application form and run to get a 30-day Tourist Visa for you. After that you can take your passport and proceed through normal border formalities, that is walk (by feet) through Thai immigration and enter Cambodia / no-man's land.
  
• Cambodian Entry and Exit Stamps for 300-500 THB
  What you'll get: after you left Thailand (obtained the exit stamp from Thai immigration) and walked about 100 meters to the big stone arc (crossed the actual border line) you can wait while a tout runs another 150-200 meters to obtain the entry and exit stamps from Cambodian immigration.
  

**a word on the visa fee: The official visa fee is 20 USD, which is about 700 THB, however, immigration officers will ask 1000 THB from you anyway, even if you apply for the visa at the official Visa On Arrival booth/office (AFTER Thai immigration next to the big stone arc). It depends on your perseverance and the officer on duty what deal you'll get - it IS possible to get the visa for 20 USD without prolonged waiting time.

I personally would not consider those services 'scams'. Applying for a visa on your behalf is a perfectly legit business (even if the visa office is just a view 100 meters away ). Walking a view 100 meters to the checkpoints to get two stamps might not be completely legal (since I assume you should be there in person), but it is a service that you might or might not use.

What makes it of course often a scam is that those touts want to make you believe that it is the only option to use their services. For instance it is NOT illegal to enter Cambodia (obtain the entry stamp) and exit the very same minute, as visa runners do. I personally have never been asked to pay for this supposed 'privilege', but I heard that others have been asked to do so. If you just decline and insist on your rights (usually in calm way works better), you will get your right, even in Poipet.

What IMHO IS a scam is the immigration officers asking for tea money even if you apply at the official Visa On Arrival office and have 20 USD at hands. The situation is similiar to that of underpaid cops upping their salery as you can find all around SEAsia (no excuse here from my side, just an explanation).

I personally never use agent services since I don't mind walking a view 100 meters and queuing for a couple of minutes, even if it is hot. But I know friends who know all of that and still prefer to pay extra for more convenience.

welo

Bellste, I was referring to this post:

The general rule is that Thai Nationals need to show and stamp their Passport when they leave Thailand, but they do not need the Cambodian Visa if they just stay in the "Casino area".

I know that Thai nationals need a Visa to travel to Cambodia (just like you say), and that it is usually not easily possible to enter the no-man land between borders (in general, not just in Poipet) and return without entry/exit stamps from the other country.

What I don't know is if there is any inofficial (or half-official) rule for Thai nationals who visit the Casino. I guess there are ways...

welo

One problem being an end user is that when you ask for help, you are often offered multiple options by well meaning and kind people replying to your request for assistance but you are sceptical because what they suggest takes you outside your comfort zone and there is no way back if something goes wrong. I suppose I just wanted a quick fix as I can't get involved in reinventing the wheel.

And I guess it's good to be sceptical! You will find many posts on that forum where during the ongoing of the thread it turned out that the person was following instructions to accomplish things that were way much beyond his/her level of knowledge. And at the same time you will find others who are sometimes too helpful advising people to do things that might as well lead to disaster if followed by inexperienced users.

However, when it comes to Firefox and its addons there are safe ways of finding the culprit. You can easily disable an addon temporarily (without uninstalling it) from the Tools/Addons/Extensions menu. The addons that are listed there are all user-installed addons that provide additional features, no core component is listed there (just stay away from the 'plugin' tab). Disabling addons will not render Firefox unusable and will only disable some additional features that an addon provides. If you really can't live without a feature for a couple of days while you are troubleshooting then you can easily re-enable the addon from the same menu dialog. Just a view clicks, restart Firefox and everything is back to normal

See what I did just a couple of weeks ago when my Firefox got more and more sluggish: I disabled all of my addons at once (but did not uninstall them), and kept using the PC as before. I would then notice that a certain feature was missing which I really wanted (and needed), hence go to the Addons dialog and re-enable only this addon. So after some days I re-enabled some of those addons again, but some that I had only installed to try them out and had rarely used stayed disabled. Well, some I had already forgotten about and couldn't even remember what they were for, and others I had used so seldom that I decided not to use them anymore to make Firefox less bloated.

This way I trimmed down my Firefox in both memory footprint and speed (startup speed and responsiveness).

If this goes to far for you there is an even simpler way to see how Firefox without all those addons 'feels' and performs: Firefox Safe-Mode. This has nothing to do with starting Windows in 'Safe-Mode' which you might have heared about. It just affects Firefox and what it basically does is disable all addons, themes and reset all toolbars to its defaults. But wait, all of this is only temporarily until you restart Firefox, which will set everything back to normal!

While you are in Safe Mode, your extensions and themes will be disabled, and any toolbar customizations will be reverted back to their defaults. These changes are not permanent - when you leave Safe Mode and start Firefox up normally, your extensions, themes, and settings will return to the state they were in before you entered Safe Mode. source: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Safe+Mode

You will be surprised how fast Firefox will start and I guess memory consumption will be a lot lower, too.

1. Close all open Firefox Windows
   
2. go to Windows Start Menu -> Mozilla Firefox -> Mozilla Firefox (Safe Mode).
   
3. A dialog box will appear where you have to click 'continue in Safe Mode'.
   
4. done
   

When you are done just close all open Firefox Windows and restart Firefox normally. Everything will be back to normal.

It's OK if you are busy doing other things and don't want to follow up on this, I promise I'll shut up

welo

Seems I was wrong about the visa requirement. Thai nationals can visit the casino area without requiring a Cambodian visa. Checkout this thread.

But I guess my post came too late anyway.

welo

The thing is that I don't want to disable add ons or use it in a safe mode or as a portable edition or even to have to do more restarts than I wish. I remember at work phoning IT when there was a problem and they would always say, "have you turned it off and on again". I don't see that as a solution (certainly not blaming you) but I want a solution, not having to drive my 150mph car at 45pmh because we cannot work out why it overheats ?

Same as I don't want to be altering the inner workings of the beast. I am an end user. I'll happily get into the deepest codes in VBA but I expect the PC to just "work", straight out of the box.

I am Software Developer, too, and during the past years I've become more and more annoyed with the common attitude in IT business and especially in my own domain, software development, that a software can never be error-free. Well, whereas this is true to a certain point due to the complexity of computers/software in general and the vast variety of different setups and configurations of computer systems (bla bla, I hate hearing myself talk like this ), I personally believe that the industry (and the consumers) have come to accept too easily that something is not working.

Whatever, this topic is far too complex to discuss here, just know that I share your 'the PC should just work' attitude. Unfortunately, the industry is nowhere close to that. And - here I go again defending that 'never error-free' mantra argh! - Firefox is a typical piece of software that is very vulnerable to software errors sneaking in due to its addon architecture.

1. Addons are developed by people outside the Mozilla team. Hence quality assurance does not include those addons (at least not to the same extent as the core code).

2. Addons are mostly developed by coders for free. Limited resources often mean limited quality assurance. Open Source Software outweighs this disadvantage by its community that actively helps fixing problems

3. The large number of available addons is a huge advantage of Firefox, but opens the door to errors arising due to unforeseen interactions or incompatibilities between different addons.

So my point is that Firefox is not resource-hogging by design. It obviously has something to do with your specific setup or usage pattern. Looking at your Task Manager listing I assume that you are a user who likes to try out new stuff and installs quite a lot of software and probably also Firefox addons. If you want a PC that 'just works' this is surely not the strategy to get there. The problems you have is NOT due to an obvious coding error in one of the apps that you use, but probably due to the numbers of applications/addons interacting with each other.

Just think about somebody tweaking his car and engine all about, and later when a problem comes up bringing the car in for repair and expecting the mechanic to look at the car for a few minutes and saying, 'Ah, I see, here this screw has become loose!' (Well, since we are on a message board the analogy would actually be that this person phones the mechanic and describes the problem to him on the phone).

Btw nobody expects you to switch permanently to Firefox portable, or disable all your addons forever, this were just suggestions to troubleshoot your problem, so you can later fix it by maybe disabling only the one addon that caused the memory hogging.

And as you posted here on this board we all assumed that your intention is to troubleshoot the problem yourself, otherwise you would probably go to a professional and pay him to fix it.

And you are not 'just an end-user'. Installing various antivirus software products and multiple Firefox addons clearly makes you fall out of that category

welo

okie dokie .. my gf will be coming with me again so she helps me get tere etc but for the last two times she waited in thailand while i went accross alone .. never seemed any point in her coming accross and back in for the sake of it .. maybe i'll drag her this time ..lol

thanks for your help , its really appreciated

If your girl-friend wants to come along after Thai immigration she will require a Cambodian Visa, too, even if she is Thai national. She cannot check out of Thailand and come back without the Cambodian entry/exit stamps, as far as I know.

But Poipet is not that hard to master as it might seem at first. Just remember that calmness, confidence and knowledge is your friend

If you are willing to pay 1000 Baht for the Cambodian Visa (which actually already includes 200-300 THB tea-money) you will not have any problems there. 1000 THB is the commonly charged price and you'll have to 'fight' (and need US dollars) to get the official price of 20 USD. In your case I recommend to go with the 1000 THB to avoid stress. (Otherwise checkout the other threads on this topic, bring 20 USD and give 100 THB if they insist.)

You can get the visa with any of the agencies on the border area (where you can even wait in an air-conditioned room until they bring the passport back), but no chance to get it cheaper than 1000 THB there, or get it at the official Visa On Arrival booth which is located AFTER you checkout from Thai immigration just below the huge Angkor-styled stone arc. I recommend the latter though since viewer people are involved who want to get their share of the deal.

Unforunately there might be some construction work going on at the moment, at least it was when I was at the border about 2.5 months ago. The visa on arrival booth moved from its old place on the right road side (when coming from Thailand) to the center left. Not sure if the construction work has been finished.

This is an old picture from before they started building.

This is a photo from November 2009, the Visa On Arrival office moved to the centre of the road.

Here a quick guide how cross the border and come back

1. get exit stamp at Thai immigration counter (check your departure card for completeness before)
   
2. walk 100 meters to the big stone arc covering the street and get your temperature checked (if they still do that)
   
3. find the Visa On Arrival booth if you don't have a Cambodian visa yet. It should have a sign 'Visa On Arrival' and a sign stating the 3 types of Visas and the prices (see pictures). Bring one photo, fill the smallish application form, takes 5-15 minutes, you'll have a 1-page sticker in your passport
   
4. keep walking for another 200m (along the right road side), passing the casino hotels, until you arrive at a small building/gateway, fill the arrival card, get your Cambodian entry stamp.
   
5. Welcome to Cambodia!
   

In front of you you will see a roundabout and touts will approach you to board the bus to the bus station or whatsoever. Say, no thank you, and just walk cross the street to the Cambodian Exit immigration counter where people will probably already line up.

1. get exit stamp at Cambodian immigration counter
   
2. walk 100m passing the Casino hotels to the big stone arc, cross the street, keep walking until you come to the the Thai health checkpoint and have your temperature checked there (if they still do that)
   
3. keep walking and get to Thai immigration, where you get your entry stamp
   
4. Welcome to Thailand
   

Good luck!!

Let us know whether the downgrade fixed it for you. Is it only me who thinks that the CAT statement is questionable? SP3 is out for about 1,5 years, shouldn't any incompatibilities be fixed by now?

Well, it's probably worth a try.

Btw if your Windows XP has been setup with a CD that had SP3 integrated (aka 'slipstreamed') then a downgrade is not possible via uninstalling SP3. You have to do a 'Repair Install' from a Windows XP SP2 CD. Google will tell you more.

Personally I would try to fix the problem by fixing the software or the driver involved than doing a downgrade. But not knowing anything specific about your problem and that specific modem/software I cannot really recommend anything. And since you didn't really ask for it I assume you already tried to fix it and it didn't work.

welo

I accept that there may be some historic confusion in what is running, security wise, but nothing gets through, the system works and though now is probably a very good time for an overhaul, the issue here is FF running daft amounts of RAM.

Since some Antivirus software also implement web security features the vast number of antivirus and security software running simultaneously might as well have something to do with your Firefox' consuming too much memory. That's just a guess though since not many people run 3 antivirus guards simultaneously (since everybody recommends against it.) so this problem might not be well documented on the net.

I remember many problem reports of users when a previous installed antivirus software was not removed cleanly from the system before installing another product (Norton and McAfee was well-known for troubles of that kind).

However, I agree that there might be as well no connection at all between your security software setup and firefox.

One more thing about memory consumption. Have a read on wikipedia about the difference between commit charge and working set size. Commit charge usually means physical memory usage plus page-file usage, working set size means the physical memory usage. A 'mem usage' column in the task manager usually shows the 'working set'. Since your listing says something about 'commit' it might be the commit charge. What column is your Vista task manager showing? There is also a difference between 'private bytes' and 'public bytes', the latter including modules/libraries in memory that are shared between processes.

I wonder whether Vista shows the commit charge or the working set by default?

Whatever... I see that you were looking for more straight forward answers. I think many good points for troubleshooting were mentioned in this thread. Disabling addons, using Firefox Safe Mode or Firefox portable edition, system restarts, etc. Up to you whether to invest some time for troubleshooting or not

welo

No tests/benchmarks will be valid comparison unless you have software written for the target OS. IE: there's probably not much commercial software out there for 64bit. Wait, it will be and then it will blow away anything else given the memory to support.

64bit Windows is not the newcomer you might think it is. Windows XP 64bit was released April 2005, Vista 64bit was released 2006 (at the same time as its 32bit version).

There is a lot of 64bit software out there, both free and commercial. Especially professional software that makes heavy use of CPU and memory (e.g. video and audio editing, rendering and encoding such as discussed in this thread) should offer 64bit versions of its software, and from what I know it actually does. However, my impression is that adaption of 64bit was rather slow and some products still need more work on optimizing the 64bit code.

This seems to be the case with Sony Vegas, too, I just found a thread from October 2009 where somebody describes howto run 32bit Vegas on 64bit Vista, since 'Codec developers, as of late have yet to develop 64-bit codecs'.

All that said, this thread here made me really wonder whether Win7 64-bit was the right choice for my 3GB Core Duo 2 Laptop!?

welo

welo

The interesting issue here is that Sony Vegas on Win7 64 bit performs significantly worse than its 32bit counterpart, seeing a 20% performance drop instead of the expected (slight) performance advantage.

My guess is that the culprit is with Sony Vegas not with Windows 7 in general. Since the re-run of the WinRAR benchmark brought the expected result (slight performance advantage on 64bit), one might assume that Sony Vegas (or maybe your setup of Sony Vegas) is underperforming.

Tried to find articles/posts on that topic on the internet but was not really successful. Seems that one problem is that some of the plugins have not yet been converted to 64bit, not sure though whether as of today this is still a problem - maybe the plugins used for encoding are different in 32bit and 64bit Vegas and the 64bit version is performing worse.

http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/903267

Which version do you run? There seems to be a version 9.0c out which fixes several issues. Continuing from here, posting in a dedicated video forum might yield better results to speed up your Sony Vegas setup.

welo

Any response from the OP?

Your system is way to bloated

On my Win7 64bit I have 53 processes running in total ('show processes from all users' enabled).

A few comments on your listing:

• Do you have both AVG, Avira and Avast installed!?!? avguard.exe is Avira, avgchsva.exe is AVG, ashwebsv.exe is AVAST. Running 3 antivirus guards at the same time is surely not a good idea and is enough to completely mess up your system - you don't need firefox to do that.
  
• TeaTimer.exe should be a Spybot process, but why does it take up that much memory? I've read that it is some protection mechanism similiar to UAC, are you sure you need that?
  
• Your top 10 processes use too much memory IMHO. On my system SearchIndexer.exe is 20MB, all svchost processes 150MB (you: 340). Of course memory allocation is a tricky topic, which I don't know much about , and I have absolutely no experience with Vista (maybe the memory bloating is just one reason why so many people hate it).
  Did you use the default Vista task manager to get the listing? There are different memory related properties, only one will give you the actual memory allocation of a process. However, I assume that Vista displays the correct column by default.
  

Your biggest problem is that you run too many security related programs, or, that your computer is heavily infected with trojans/viruses disguising themselves as those programs (not too smart though to use names from different antivirus programs )

welo

far too expensive....

If new 5000 Baht why someone should pay 4000 for a second hand one.

Try 2000 Baht.

If it's genuinly only 1 month old and the current market price is still 5000 THB why would somebody not be willing to pay between 3000-4000 THB?? which is 20-40% off from the current market price.

OP should make clear that:

• the monitor is in perfect condition (that he already stated in the thaivisa ad)
  
• it comes with the original Tesco receipt (already mentioned here in this post), and state exact date and price on the receipt
  
• mention the product warranty for this Acer model (3 years?)
  

Of course he is in the bad situation that he needs to sell quickly, and that he wants people to come for pickup.

Surely he will not get anything close to 4000 THB from a commercial 2nd hand reseller, but for a private sell 4000THB is a valid starting offer IMHO.

Unfortunately I'm not anywahere near Bangkok...

welo

...but they wanted ME to pay for the cable to my house. Seems a bit off, given that I'm in a housing development and it was going to cost 1800 baht. And no guarantee that it would be my line alone, so others could connect to it so I wind up paying for everyone's cable run. ...

1800 THB connection fee for laying the cable doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. Sure others might benefit from your pioneership, but from everything I've read on the forum so far it's worth to get rid off TOT and switch to TRUE. I myself unfortunately don't have that option, using a reliable but internationally horribly slow 2MBit TOT package.

TT&T wants 4000 THB connection fee (they are not present in my street yet) and the only thing that keeps me from switching is that I'm not sure how long I'm going to stay at my place .

welo

@lopburi

The name is correct, at least this is what shows up inside the program and on the webpage. But since it is probably hoax/malware anyway the name could change any day Look at the screenshots on the linked website.

@stolidfeline

I know what you mean. Disabling Task Manager, Removing Folder Options from explorer menu, and disable 'Show hidden files and folders'. The computer didn't show any of those signs though.

Thanks for your input, guys!

I am 99% sure it is malware. And even if not, it is probably crapware Developing and maintaining a good antivirus solution is nothing trivial, so even if this is a real product (which I doubt) it is probably not very effective.

Will ask the laptop owner where they got it from, but since the windows install was 'fresh' (modified 'truefaster' windows xp) I suppose it was installed at the shop.

welo

By some trial and error you could adjust the amount of space available to System Restore so that only 2-3 points are retained and older ones are over written as time goes on.

System Restore Points are incremental, meaning each System Restore Point only 'contains' changes that have been made since the last Restore Point. I further assume that System Restore only uses significant space for changes that delete files (or update files since the old copy has to be retained), not for adding files to the disk. That said I admit to not knowing exactly how (well) it is implemented.

However, in your case the concept of limiting the amount of disk space that System Restore uses should be exactly what you need.

From my experience System Restore is not 100% reliable, especially when it comes to virus infections since they love to hide in and mess with System Restore. Interestingly, to clean up virus infections, you will often be instructed to turn off System Restore and restart Windows in order to wipe any malicious files in System Restore.

System Restore works well in situations where you mess up your system due to software or driver installs, or other configuration issues.

For disaster recovery I recommend system imaging software, Acronis is one you already mentioned. Interestingly Windows 7 introduces a complete system image as additional option for system recovery.

So if you have a system image for disaster recovery I recommend to turn off System Restore and restart Windows. This way you will have a 'fresh start' with System Restore.

Btw System Restore should not fill up that quickly if you don't install software frequently. Any data (documents, images, etc) are excluded from System Restore by definition and should not affect space requirements. If it is really System Restore that fills your harddrive so quickly I would have a closer look on what is going on there. .

Reading your first post again it seems that your problem is rather NOT related to System Restore. Emptying the recycle bin is not related to System Restore AFAIK. System Restore data that becomes deprecated due to your configured size limit does not get moved to the bin.

The recycle bin is only filled by files that are deleted by the user (not sure about automated file deletions by other applications). You can always check what's inside your bin before emptying it.

You might also want to check out ccleaner, a free tool that empties several locations that hold temporary files (IE, Firefox, trash bin, etc) at once.

welo

welo

Just had to fix a small problem on a friend's computer and stumbled over a new Antivirus Product installed by the Thai shop that had originally setup the computer.

System Defend Antivirus 2010

http://www.preedasoftware.com/

Can't find hardly any 3rd party info on this antivirus software on the internet, so I assume it's either a hoax (rogue-ware) or just a product limited to the Thai market (maybe licensing one of the major antivirus engines).

Couldn't run more tests on the computer due to time constraints.

I'd rather opt for the rogue-ware...

Any ideas?

welo

The other thing I did at the same time is to uninstall an add-on called 'IE-tab'. I was told this suffers/ed from a 'memory leak'. Dont really know what that is but it didnt sound good. (IE-tab is a very popular add-on that enables you to look at internet pages using explorer.) I suspect that something was causing a leak as firefox started at 150mb and then would simply go on rising.)

'memory leak' means that elements/objects in the browser are not cleaned up/removed correctly and remain in memory even after they are not used any more.

E.g. after leaving one webpage by browsing to the next all the objects/elements from the first website should be removed from memory since they are no longer of use, however, if something goes wrong (usually due to bad programming or a bug in the program) some elements remain in memory and are never cleaned up (only when the application process is terminated that is the program quits). Over the time this can cause a significant increase in memory usage.

OP says he sees iexplore.exe even though he didn't start internet explorer. IETab might load iexplore.exe as a seperate process.

welo

Follow welo's advice, but may I suggest you set your e-mail client on the Notebook to 'leave mails on server' ?

Good point! If forgot to mention that.

Btw, a completely different approach is using GMAIL to check your POP accounts. This way you have all your emails always accessible from every PC with an online connection. However, it's a different philosophy and not everybody likes it (especially those who mind Google's data collection efforts).

welo

POP doesn't support downloading emails based on the date. (Not sure about IMAP if you are using an IMAP account)

With POP you would have to tackle the problem on the server side. You could use your primary PC and change your email program's settings 'leave mails on server' (which is probably enabled) and enable the feature 'delete emails after x days'. If you check the inbox the next time all emails older than x days should be removed from the server. Next time you use your secondary PC it will only download emails on the server that is emails since x days.

But of course this way emails will be deleted from the server, make sure this is acceptable for you.

welo

Did you check whether it's a cache problem? You could copy the URL to your browser's address bar and hit CTRL-F5. This will re-fetch the image from the server. A 404 is rather unusual for a cache problem though.

Open the command line (Start Menu / Run / 'cmd') and type

 nslookup static.thaivisa.com

It should look somehow like this, the second paragraph being the important one.

 C:\Users\welo>nslookup static.thaivisa.com
 Server:  dsldevice.lan
 Address:  192.168.1.254

 Non-authoritative answer:
 Name:	static.thaivisa.com
 Address:  202.170.126.89

It might also be some browser setting or browser plugin (security, ad blocker,..) or a personal firewall (other than windows firewall) on your PC that disallows loading images from other domains than the website's original domain. I guess even a subdomain is considered a different domain.

I thought Firefox had a feature like that but looking at my Firefox 3.5.5 installation I cannot find it anymore.

welo

welo

You are probably using OpenDNS or similar, and True doesn't like that. Change back to True DNS settings and you should be fine.

Really, true doesn't allow me to use the DNS of my choice?

How exactly are the restrictions implemented? It is obviously no simple IP based block, otherwise the DNS service would not work at all?

welo

Seems that everybody is following this thread but the OP

I was told I cannot get TOT internet without the 100 THB for the phone line. However, I would rather save the 1200 THB since I don't even have a phone connected.

About TOT vs TT&T vs TRUE

This is greater Bangkok area where I think true offers better broadband service from what I read on the board here. I have a TOT line (outside Bangkok in the woods) and I am not happy with it.

TRUE currently runs a nice promotion where you get TV for free (limited channels though) when you sign up for any BASIC internet package.

Back to my original question.. Can anybody give me hints on how to interpret the TRUE hotline's statement?

In case there is no phone line in a building, does TRUE connect the cable themselves or do they only rent services from TOT/TT&T?

welo

After talking to the true call center and visiting a local truemove 'outpost' in the neighborhood (Samut Prakan) I'm still confused whether and how my friend can get true ADSL or not.

I know how ADSL basically works and that the company connecting the phone line isn't necessarily the company that provides the 'internet connection'.

Can somebody enlighten me how true usually handles a new setup where no phone line is connected to the house (single family house) but phone cable, probably TOT(?), is present in the street.

I got different and confusing statements from the hotline as well as my local true 'office' (=sales booth).

Hotline first said they don't provide ADSL internet in that area, but then talked about another option to establish an ADSL connection. The lady wouldn't give any details, but said the connection would still be setup by true and it is also a phone cable that is used. She told me to visit a local true office to check whether this option is available in that area.

Went to a sales booth in Tesco and the lady took note of the address to have it checked by the 'true office'. Couldn't give me the number of the office. Said something about requiring a phone line from TOT for 100 THB a month.

Is true now offering ADSL over other companies' phone lines? I doubt it. Anybody knows what this 'second option' could be? I assume everything depends whether true is already 'connected' to the telephone exchange in that area. Any ideas and/or specific experience?

Thx,

welo