Richard W

7 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Hmmmm....talk about making things worse.  Wow.

"According to Putin's order, published on the Kremlin website, Russia will temporarily recognise identity documents, diplomas, birth and marriage certificates and vehicle registration plates issued in the eastern Ukraine regions of Donetsk and Luhansk."

So how do you think people living under the control of the rebels should obtain such documents?

3 hours ago, Orac said:

 

Again, revisionist.

 

Wilson to parliament in 1967, the white paper in 1971, the Daily Mail as I quoted and also The Sun were clear that this was a political union as much as an economic one.

 

Your claim that Heath 'admitted his deceit' in the 1990 interview is just him confirming what was being said at the time by many people involved.

During the televised debates for the 1975 referendum, Roy Hattersley denied that there would be political union.

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

From 1973 the EEC free-trade area mutated, "ever closer", to becoming a federal state, which the people of the UK did NOT approve in the so-called referendum of 1975. Everyone thought the idea was indeed a "common market", a purely economic arrangement. Ted Heath gave that impression and in the process he effectively lied!

I remember Enoch Powell explaining on television during the campaign that the ultimate destination of the EEC was a federal state.

9 hours ago, Pdaz said:

 ... ฟ becomes บ in the final position ...

A lot of Thais have forgotten that rule.

1 hour ago, tgeezer said:

I called on to the 711 on my way home. I could not get anyone of the four employees I spoke with to commit to ไหม or มั้ย. When I suggested that with เอามั้ย that I might want a stick เอาไม้ an exasperated chap who had already explained ภาษาพูด ภาษาเขียน said เอาบาทเจ็บไหม and moved off, unamused. He may have said เอาบาทเจ็บมั้ย or even เอาบาทเจ็บมะ ,
in conversation one understands and doesn't remember.

My understanding is that, except in compounds, ไม้ is pronounced [H]maai, not [H]mai.

5 hours ago, Pdaz said:

Being that the Thai Alphabet doesn't have an accurate "V" sound. Only a "ฟ " ( For )  

I guess I could have written Waif, Waaf, Waef or whatever.. Hard to know as the OP could have been English, Dutch, French or any other nationality that doesn't pronounce English with standard English sounds.

Surely so heavily clipped a word should be pronounced with sounds used in Thai, even if they're sounds only used in loanwords.

Long ago, we did come up with a scheme here based on the RTGS, but showing vowel length.  The problem is that you'd have to show the tone as well - in this case committing yourself to [H]weef or [F]weef or whatever.

9 hours ago, tgeezer said:

This is just getting silly, you are being pedantic. Have you consulted any Thai speakers? Have you found มั้ย in the RID?

The RID is not to be trusted on vowel length or on tones beyond what can be fixed by adding ห nam.

Li gives the additional examples of ผม and ฉัน 'I' and หนังสือ 'book'.  I've a suspicion that this sound change is linked to the 6th tone in Bangkok Thai, which has now vanished and was unrelated to the merger of low mai ek and high mai song or any vacillation in mid class with no tone mark.

11 hours ago, John1012 said:

If a law has been passed by congress, is it a law or not? According to you, it can be challenged. One would have thought only congress can change it.

 

1952 Immigration and Nationality Act,

 

Section 212(f), states: "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

 

I do not believe that this law has been repealed or changed, so on what grounds are the challengers of the EO contesting?

The Hart-Celler Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 apparently outlawed discrimination in immigration on the basis of national origin etc.

7 hours ago, 7by7 said:

The pre Columbian inhabitants of the Americans were the first humans there.

There's actually a growing suspicion that they replaced the pre-pre-Columbian inhabitants.

6 hours ago, Lokie said:

Where do we start; Malaysian Flight shot down by Russian BUK missile system two years ago, how many innocent poor souls perished on that, could not have happened without his nod.

I'd be astounded if Putin knowingly consented to the Malaysian airliner being shot down.  You'd do better to accuse him of fomenting a conflict with the Ukrainian government - that conflict has cost the lives of Ukrainian nationals, of both Little and Great Russian ethnicities.

On 12/12/2016 at 8:59 AM, dick dasterdly said:

It tends to indicate that there are terrorists out there who have nothing to do with any 'main group' - but its easier for Western authorities to pretend that they're all ISIS or whatever it was called previously (edit - just remembered, Al Queda)......

I don't think that the first part is in doubt.  The Nice attack by lorry seems a very good example.  I think that there is a very good chance that a Moslem going postal nowadays will 'pledge allegiance' to ISIS.

10 hours ago, Emster23 said:

UK is only traditional allied country I can think of that Trump has had some sort of contact or mention of without pissing them off.

The 'Muslim ban' hasn't endeared him to the UK.  The Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary were tasked with asking what on Earth was going on, even if the Iraqi-born Saatchis are no longer as important as they were.

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 What was your point then.

 

The referendum result was determined by counting all the votes cast and seeing which option had the most; end of.

Reporting the counts by areas has given separatists useful ammunition.

6 hours ago, elgordo38 said:

Hey Obama could have come up with a tough response Donald we expect more from you. Rattle your sabre a bit. Give em a bit of fire and brimstone at least. 

Brimstone is an accurate, low collateral damage weapon not assembled in the US.  It is therefore totally unsuited for his purposes.

4 hours ago, KhonKaenKowboy said:

So how quickly are these screenings being arranged?  They don't sound so straightforward from Iran.

20 hours ago, bangon04 said:

" Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson earlier contacted US officials for clarification over the 90-day ban on visa holders from the seven countries ordered by President Trump. "

 

yes he has kept his dual Iranian nationality really quiet so far.......

I can't work this one out.  He may be Turkish (his father's paternal grandfather was Turkish Minister of the Interior), but he's well known to be an American citizen.

It's a relief to hear she wasn't merely restraining a wandering hand.

29 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

The list came from the last administration as "countries of particular concern."  Where was all the hupla then?

 

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316733-spicer-obama-administration-originally-flagged-7-countries

(a) There was advance notice before it came into force.

(b) It only affected visa waiver - visas were still possible, and visas weren't cancelled.

The banning of green card holders was particularly  unpleasant.  Will the administration be given the benefit of the doubt, and put down merely to gross incompetence?

I switched to Linux because I was having trouble booting my dying desktop machine.  I had to reboot less often for Linux.  When I finally replaced the desktop by another one, I used  Linux because my scanner wouldn't work with Windows 7.  Ubuntu had been recommended because it supported building one's own keyboard layout (I use IPA and the Lanna script, though originally nothing beyond the capability of the Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator (MSKLC)), and the highpoint was Ubuntu Precise 12.04.  As program build support was becoming antiquated - HarfBuzz utilities failed for example - I upgraded to Xenial 16.04, and have had miseries with keyboard switching ever since.  The problem may have been that I had had to upgrade C++ to compile ICU, and upgrade scripts using python consequently initially failed.  At least the HarfBuzz utilities now work.

50 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting

49 killed, 53 wounded -- terrorist shooting attack by U.S. born Muslim

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Ohio_State_University_attack

13 wounded in car ramming & mass stabbing -- terrorist attack by Muslim/Somali emigrant

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Minnesota_mall_stabbing#Perpetrator

10 wounded in mass stabbing -- terrorist attack by Muslim/Somali refugee

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack

14 killed, 22 wounded - terrorist shooting attack by U.S. born Muslims

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting

13 killed, more than 30 wounded -- terrorist shooting attack by U.S. born Muslim

 

Afghan, Somali, Kenyan, Pakistani, Palestinian.  The ban doesn't seem very well targeted.

There are two separate issues here.  One is the intended future policy.  The other is the dishonouring of visas already properly granted for still-valid reasons.  Not even the UK does that.  It seems that the courts are saying, pro tem, that they should be honoured if the holders can reach the border.  I don't know what is happening on the  land borders - and if Google knows, it may be staying shtmm.

1 hour ago, Savilesghost said:

So more alternative truths told by the MSM then ?  as your quite correct green card holders are not US citzens, and therefore the phrase dual citizens in their case is not true either, they are not dual citizens, they are citizens of 1 country with Permanent residence in the US

No, they're US residents with 2 non-US nationalities, e.g. British and Iranian.  There's a report that Canadian citizens with Iranian nationality are exempt from the ban.

51 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

It's what politicians do!!!

 

I was relying on Information on another thread, weeks ago, wherein It was agreed that a Democrat has been elected without a popular vote majority, perhaps my mistake.  I didn't Independently research the point

 

However, IT IS IRRELEVANT.  There Is a voting system In place. Trump was elected fair and square under that system.

This has been done to death on TV, and elsewhere.

12.30 am here, so goodnight.

To which the reply is:

37 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

It is entirely relevant to the lie you posted, which was:

 

"Trump Is not the first President to have been elected with less than a majority of the popular vote.  There have even been Democrats....... perish the thought!!"

It depends whether Kennedy got the majority of the genuine popular vote.  The incompetence of Americans in holding close elections makes it difficult to quantify the amount of fraud.  I think 'lie' is too strong  a word here.

13 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The difficulty for, and therefore resistance from, us oldies is in no small part due to the UK government providing only negligible advice and information to help us make the change; unlike decimalisation where copious amounts were provided.

The government also brought in a rather high rate of inflation, to help make conversion to old money rather pointless.

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Except that the size of a party is not generally measured in the number of people who vote for it, but the number of people who join it.

And generally, it's the number of MPs that matters.  Evenly dispersed voters are frequently irrelevant.