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countries which support free speech don't have draconian LM laws.

The LM law is one of the most egregious violations of human rights in Thailand.

I have my own opinions regarding the human rights laws, that are human rights for whom?

In Britain for example where foreign criminals, rapists and murderers cannot be deported because it may contravene their so-called human rights, where the human rights laws can actually work against the benefits of the country and benefit more the perpetrators than the victims.

There is a difference between freedom of speech and the subversives that create politically motivated propaganda in order to disrupt and cause unrest to the stability of another country or their own countries that are in no doubt enemies of the state.

Thailand, although cannot be described as a democratic country in the true sense, is still a stable country with a relatively amount of freedom and does not need extremists and activists stirring up tensions against the system here that can be extremely damaging to Thailand as a whole.

I can see the prime minister`s point exactly.

So countries that have freedom of speech should deport Thai ex-pats to face court martial where they have little to know rights at all for simply expressing an opinion? You condone this?

The prime minister is explicitly meaning those that are the most extremist, could be classified as the enemies of Thailand.

I live in Thailand and my wife is Thai and my 3 children are all well integrated into Thai society, they are true patriotic Thai citizens. Therefore, considering that I am happy to live here and intend to remain and doing alright thank you with no ambitions to move anywhere else, I except the country for what it is and it`s values for the better and for the worse. If I were not able to do this and believed there is more freedoms elsewhere and the grass is greener over there rather than over here, than I would not stay.

For those that continue to stay in Thailand by their own choice either accept the laws and rulings of the powers that be and if they don`t and believe that justice, rights and democracy are better elsewhere are then hypocrites for continuing to stay here and not opting to move back home where their views will be acceptable and lifestyles more suited to them.

You're not really discussing the issues as they affect the vast majority of Thai people. What you're saying is:

"I'm allright jack"

A lot of other foreigners in Thailand feel the same way too.

countries which support free speech don't have draconian LM laws.

The LM law is one of the most egregious violations of human rights in Thailand.

I have my own opinions regarding the human rights laws, that are human rights for whom?

In Britain for example where foreign criminals, rapists and murderers cannot be deported because it may contravene their so-called human rights, where the human rights laws can actually work against the benefits of the country and benefit more the perpetrators than the victims.

There is a difference between freedom of speech and the subversives that create politically motivated propaganda in order to disrupt and cause unrest to the stability of another country or their own countries that are in no doubt enemies of the state.

Thailand, although cannot be described as a democratic country in the true sense, is still a stable country with a relatively amount of freedom and does not need extremists and activists stirring up tensions against the system here that can be extremely damaging to Thailand as a whole.

I can see the prime minister`s point exactly.

I think that what you refer to as "freedom" in Thailand may be more aptly described as Libertarianism:

"Libertarianism has always been committed to the restriction of liberty for certain groups in order to augment the freedom (manifested in and through wealth, power and status) of privileged sections of society"

This is not a "textbook" definition.

The LM has nothing to do with the King,

That doesn't make sense. Something called lese majeste necessarily has everything to do with the King. And if he had really wanted to change the law, it would not have been difficult to state his desires clearly and unambiguously.

My understanding is that the King is against this law being used in the way it is. The politicians use this as a way to get at opponents to keep them quite. IMO invoking this law is doing exactly what the law prohibits!

WOW! He told you that?

No, HM said it in a statement he made in 2005.

The LM has nothing to do with the King,

That doesn't make sense. Something called lese majeste necessarily has everything to do with the King. And if he had really wanted to change the law, it would not have been difficult to state his desires clearly and unambiguously.

No, it makes sense, it has nothing to do with his person but with the institution itself, rather like saying, you can't complain about the prime minister, that would endanger democracy, it's just as stupid.

Nonsense read below.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/769792-notice-to-members-posting-in-thailand-news/

I cant see the reason for calling my post nonsense. If you insult the king or any member of the royal family,or any royal family in the world it is LM because you have insulted the institution itself. moderate your response, i don't agree would have sufficed.

So are you saying if we aussies expressed our opinion ions about our queen we can be arrested under thai law? If a thai wanted to say something about our queen we wouldn't care less either would she. Maybe we are a little less sensitive and don't cry as easily as thais. They need to grow a pair, harden up and catch up with the real world. Over sensitive little petals.

Yes, you can be arrested under Thai law:

The third group is insult against the Head of State of foreign countries or lèse-majesté. Insulting or threatening the King, Queen, Consort, Heir-apparent or Head of State of foreign countries (Section 133), which is an offence against the friendly relations with foreign states, is punishable by 1 to 7 years imprisonment or a fine of 2,000-140,000 baht, or both. The penalty for defaming, insulting or threatening the Thai Monarch, the Queen, Heir-apparent or Regent (Section 112) is imprisonment for a 3 of three to 15 years. Insulting or defaming a representative of a foreign state accredited to the Royal Court has the penalty of imprisonment for a term of 6 months to 15 years or a fine of 1,000-10,000 baht, or both.

Scary isn't it?

Regrettably, I feel that the inability for both sides of this issue to openly discuss with each other their views has brought this on. There really is no place where this issue can be discussed on an open forum without voices from both sides being raised in anger and hatred.

Sadly, this issue has always been relegated to only being discussed on forums that are either for, or against. There is no "middle place" where this can be discussed. It is almost as if the mere desire to openly discuss all views is anathema to the solution, ...if there is a solution. I do not think there is a solution. I think it is as futile as multiculturalism.

There are some things in history that happen once and cause change, and that change sticks. There are other things in history which continue which to come back at intervals and cause more harm than good, and do not stick.

If we look at history, this issue has been going on for a very very long time, and keeps coming back, and keeps getting put down. Each subsequent endeavor to get this issue to the top of everyone's consciousness and to make it acceptable in people's minds has failed, yet each subsequent time the ones pushing this issue feel they can do it better and do it right. Each time it fails miserably or horribly.

I wonder why that is. The trouble with my curiosity is that no one is allowed to discuss it unless one submits to either one view or another view. There is no tolerance to having one's own view, or even expressing it in literal terms. One must simply submit to black or white, or be frustrated with being booted out the back door by both sides.

And there is the rub, simply because to accept this means to change the face of human history, and to not accept it is to hold the course of the majority and continue with the repetition.

But in lightly touching upon the facts of history, one notices that whenever this view has reached any appreciable level of acceptance in society, that that society underwent changes that other societies in those time periods emphatically rejected. What I am saying (not suggesting) is that when the idea formed into a behavior, and that behavior was adopted by an entire society, that that is as far as it ever got right at the moment ...just before it came crashing down, and history shows that it came crashing down from within; ...not from resistance to these views, not from bigotry, or from any opposition. It crashed down from what is a highly debated topic of indulgence and overindulgence. The facts speak for themselves.

Thus, there are indeed examples of societies throughout history where this view dominated a society, and there was no resistance from within going on at the time that that society failed, and failed miserably, ...from within This has happened time and time again.

So, I guess, until such a time as a new view can be expressed in such a fashion to demonstrate why it is not anathema to an old idea, and until such a new view can be demonstrated as to why it is beneficial and conducive to an old idea, and moreover in a fashion that is respectful to old ideas and not a threat or attack on those ideas, well ...then that new idea (or old idea rehashed and painted with a different coat of paint) will continue to fail miserably time and time again.

I am not saying it is wrong to try... even again and again. What I am suggesting is that the burden of responsibility should fall on those who want to change the natural course of history with a behavior that never seems to be accepted, and whenever it is accepted, it comes crashing down from within, and within a very short time period.

Just my take on the situation.

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2010/02/philip-of-macedon-the-ultimate-authority-on-gays-in-the-military-speaks.html

I taught Kulp entertainment media along with about 15 other Thai students for about 3 yrs via Mahidol. I found him a complete gentleman and very modest relative to his family standing in film/tv biz and the classes.

This story is a tempest in a teapot because 1. Thai universities do not stress world history to many students, 2. Thai are generally not interested in world history nor current events outside Thailand, 3. There are many pop cultural uses of hated and controversial icons including the wide use of both Che, Castro, and Serpico faces and wearing Santa hats in Tesco, and most questioned do not know the significance of any of these icons, 4. the swastika is an old and common Buddhist image and, oriented differently, can be seen often in Buddhist lore and images, and 5. the vetting process in Thailand is unfamiliar with many Western images and slang, as seen in the censorship of movies and tv here.

The Hitler image was clearly a mistake. Let us all learn more about Western ideas and images because Thailand is now clearly IN the whole world and can no longer pretend otherwise.

Something not quite right about 'a mistake' which just keeps popping right back up like whack-a-mole and yet right on cue always manages to receive the accompanying lets kick it into the long grass smoothing treatment.

Correct. It's a "mistake" which, given the present situation in Thailand, sounds increasingly like the quacking of a duck.

I taught Kulp entertainment media along with about 15 other Thai students for about 3 yrs via Mahidol. I found him a complete gentleman and very modest relative to his family standing in film/tv biz and the classes.

This story is a tempest in a teapot because 1. Thai universities do not stress world history to many students, 2. Thai are generally not interested in world history nor current events outside Thailand, 3. There are many pop cultural uses of hated and controversial icons including the wide use of both Che, Castro, and Serpico faces and wearing Santa hats in Tesco, and most questioned do not know the significance of any of these icons, 4. the swastika is an old and common Buddhist image and, oriented differently, can be seen often in Buddhist lore and images, and 5. the vetting process in Thailand is unfamiliar with many Western images and slang, as seen in the censorship of movies and tv here.

The Hitler image was clearly a mistake. Let us all learn more about Western ideas and images because Thailand is now clearly IN the whole world and can no longer pretend otherwise.

According to poster earlschwalbe Khun Kulp attended film school in Los Angeles not Thailand. I'm only guessing, but I would not be surprised to find that he, as I did when I attended film school, watched, as part of his studies the cinema "greats" of the 20th century. He will also have discussed, in group, the ideas and imagery contained in those films.

It is very likely that he, as I did, watched and discussed "Triumph of the WiIl".

If he did so he would have got a VERY good idea of what the Nazi imagery in that film was about and the philosophy of the people who commissioned it.

We would have to ask him, but I suspect he would decline to answer. After all we wouldn't want a confrontation - would we?

See what you mean about the website.

http://www.kantanamotionpictures.com/

I'm very glad that I have managed to get the message through to someone! I can go and have a cup of tea now.

I have seen very little real background on this.

I used to work in Thailand as a post-production specialist, so know some of the background.

The director is the son of the owner of Kantana, one of the oldest and biggest media companies in Thailand that makes a lot of the most popular Thai television soaps.

It is a very wealthy company, and the family that owns Kantana are reputed to be worth over a billion Baht.

Kulp Kaljareuk is one of two sons of the Kantana family.

They will inherit the company and be multi-millionaires.

Kulp's elder brother is gay, which of course doesn't matter, but he spends an hour every morning getting made up, spends millions on designer clothes and handbags, and is only interested in making shows about fashion. He is universally detested, and everyone in the industry knows that it will be disastrous for the company if he takes over.

For a while, the father disowned him, but finally relented and brought him back into the company.

However, his hopes for the future of the company must rest on his son Kulp.

Fresh from film school in the US, Kulp was put in charge of the feature film division, and given the budget to make films. His first feature film 'Hong Hoon' flopped at the box office.

Still in his twenties, this is unfortunately a classic example of a boy who has had the best education that money can buy, who has been given the resources to follow his dreams, but who has no idea what the real world is like.

Let's make no mistake about it. There is a section of Thai society which treats the nazi emblems as 'chic' and trendy, with no regard for what these emblems symbolize.

One thing that no one has picked up on is that this film was directed by Kulp Kaljareuk, whose company position is Managing Director of Kantana Motion Pictures.

Please see the logo attached.

Why has nobody picked up on the fact that the very logo of the company is itself remarkably close to the Nazi eagle?

Again, it is just seen as chic and trendy.

Very interesting post, however, one could also liken the image of the Eagle to that used by the USA?

It's not just the eagle. Go to Kantana Motion Pictures website and check out the colours. Move your cursor towards the top of the screen to see them to best effect.

I'll let the beast himself spell it out for you:

The Nazis denounced the black-red-yellow/gold flag of the Weimar Republic - which now is the flag of Germany.^[9] In Mein Kampf Adolf Hitler defined the symbolism of the swastika flag: the RED represents the social idea of the Nazi movement, the WHITE disk represents the national idea, and the BLACK swastika, used in Aryan cultures for millennia, represents "the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of creative work."

I have an uneasy suspicion that these people, and their backers, are not quite as ignorant of what went on in 30s/40s Germany as we like to think.

Keep a bag packed.

I have seen very little real background on this.

I used to work in Thailand as a post-production specialist, so know some of the background.

The director is the son of the owner of Kantana, one of the oldest and biggest media companies in Thailand that makes a lot of the most popular Thai television soaps.

It is a very wealthy company, and the family that owns Kantana are reputed to be worth over a billion Baht.

Kulp Kaljareuk is one of two sons of the Kantana family.

They will inherit the company and be multi-millionaires.

Kulp's elder brother is gay, which of course doesn't matter, but he spends an hour every morning getting made up, spends millions on designer clothes and handbags, and is only interested in making shows about fashion. He is universally detested, and everyone in the industry knows that it will be disastrous for the company if he takes over.

For a while, the father disowned him, but finally relented and brought him back into the company.

However, his hopes for the future of the company must rest on his son Kulp.

Fresh from film school in the US, Kulp was put in charge of the feature film division, and given the budget to make films. His first feature film 'Hong Hoon' flopped at the box office.

Still in his twenties, this is unfortunately a classic example of a boy who has had the best education that money can buy, who has been given the resources to follow his dreams, but who has no idea what the real world is like.

Let's make no mistake about it. There is a section of Thai society which treats the nazi emblems as 'chic' and trendy, with no regard for what these emblems symbolize.

One thing that no one has picked up on is that this film was directed by Kulp Kaljareuk, whose company position is Managing Director of Kantana Motion Pictures.

Please see the logo attached.

Why has nobody picked up on the fact that the very logo of the company is itself remarkably close to the Nazi eagle?

Again, it is just seen as chic and trendy.

you are completely right about the crest, although it does look rather like this one

It's not just the eagle. Go to Kantana Motion Pictures website and check out the colours. Move your cursor towards the top of the screen to see them to best effect.

I'll let the man himself spell it out for you:

The Nazis denounced the black-red-yellow/gold flag of the Weimar Republic - which now is the flag of Germany.^[9] In Mein Kampf Adolf Hitler defined the symbolism of the swastika flag: the RED represents the social idea of the Nazi movement, the WHITE disk represents the national idea, and the BLACK swastika, used in Aryan cultures for millennia, represents "the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of creative work.

I have an uneasy suspicion that these people, and their backers, are not quite as ignorant of what went on in 30s/40s Germany as we like to think.

Keep a bag packed.

Sorry this is the first time i've done this. You need to go to KANTANA MOTION PICTURES website.

It's not just the eagle. Go to Kantana Motion Pictures website and check out the colours. Move your cursor towards the top of the screen to see them to best effect.

I'll let the man himself spell it out for you:

The Nazis denounced the black-red-yellow/gold flag of the Weimar Republic - which now is the flag of Germany.^[9] In Mein Kampf Adolf Hitler defined the symbolism of the swastika flag: the RED represents the social idea of the Nazi movement, the WHITE disk represents the national idea, and the BLACK swastika, used in Aryan cultures for millennia, represents "the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of creative work.

I have an uneasy suspicion that these people, and their backers, are not quite as ignorant of what went on in 30s/40s Germany as we like to think.

Keep a bag packed.

Thankyou for This info.

Thanks for your reply,

It wil be a Thai teenager who is studying, not me. Your reply prompts me to ask how many terms are there in the Thai academic year?

Can anyone tell me how much it costs per year for a student to attend a Vocational/Technical College? Are there separate fees for registration/course/term? Do the students have to pay for their materials and equipment and to enter examinations? It is likely to be an engineering/electrical maintenance course in Roi-Et province.

Thankyou.

Does anyone know where to get a Hand Operated/Cranked Rice Transplanter In Thailand?

I've seen one demonstrated (in Thailand) on Youtube and also what may be a Thai copy being discussed

The e-mail address for the company doing the demo doesn't work.

It's for use in Roi-Et.

Thanks.