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"His body was found buried 2 meters deep under the ground at a roadside bush.."

How could they find him then, buried 2 metes deep at a random spot?

Perhaps further details will reveal this.

It says in the article that they used the tracking data from the rental car. It showed that the car had stopped for 2 hours at the location, the police went to the location, found the tire tracks leading into the bush and saw freshly disturbed soil. It was not a random find.

I don't know what they are complaining about. In Thailand all the ladies work on a comms ion basis only. Split 50/50 with the owner. Many of them work for a few Spa's and travel when needed at another one. The more they work the more they earn...,that is the industry.

I know of none that split 50/50! In Chiang Mai, the basic pay for either Thai or oil massage is only 100 baht to the masseusse and the balance (i.e., generally the larger part) is retained by the owner. A friend of mine just moved to Bangkol to work in a large shop on Khao San Road and she told me that in that shop she makes 120. You might consider this the next time you get a massage and remember to tip the masseusse because she gets to keep 100% of her tips. I don't know how spa workers are compensated.

This is a godsend for AOT and the Transport Minister, " see, the gun isn't linked to Thailand so he couldn't have been carrying it when he passed through Swampy so our scanners and the experts who man them are fully vindicated. "

The same thing occurred to me....not registered in Thailand, ergo it couldn't have come through swampy according to AOT

That's a argument ,or change of story they might try, but then surely he has a bigger problem if he goes down that route..okay so now your saying it didn't come from Thailand so where and who did you get it from in Japan and how did you 'forget' it was in your luggage..he's f***** ..serve him and BiB right..more of the same please..also..Arabic numbers and English indicating where the gun was sold...!! Dubai anyone?

Arabic numbers are the same numbers used everywhere, even in Thailand, i.e., 1, 2, 3, 4, 5....

Don't buy a new Ford Ranger "High Rider" in Thailand...

1. Can't get parts for repair. I did some damage with a concrete post 7 weeks ago that damaged the fuel door, the left rear door handle and the rail that you need to step on to get into the car if you're normal height. Made the insurance claim 2 days later and sent to a body shop. The body shop ordered the necessary parts and they still haven't arrived. That's piss poor customer support. I get the impression that they don't want to give up any of those parts because they can use them to produce another vehicle and make a lot more money. They simply don't give a shit about taking care of the people who've already bought.

2. Too big. They are too wide, too high, and too long. The vehicle is fine on the expressways but when you have to negotiate narrow sois with parked cars, motorbikes coming towards you or even something simple like negotiating through a narrow gate, it's very easy to damage because they are too damned wide and visibility is extremely poor due to the large rearview mirrors on the side, the massibe post for the windshield, tinted windows, etc. If I could go back in time, I would not consider the Ford Ranger.

If you want to buy a new pickup, Toyota has the largest dealer network and I doubt you have to wait half your lifetime for the repair facility to receive the necessary parts.

Does anyone know if any of them are self-made, i.e. from rags to riches through hard graft ?

Rhetorical Question I think. This is THAILAND and they only make money by using (stealing) other peoples ideas

Just remember this one: 'At the origin of every fortune, there is, at least, one small dishonesty', not that any youngster would mind being dishonest when it is the way to get rich, that far it has come nowadays... And that, we have to 'thank' to the American 'wild capitalism', and their 'globalization', not the hard working American citizens, but that despicable greedy financial 'elite' they let run their country for their own deep pockets, and poison the whole world with their growth theory!

I don't get this part. Bill Gates is a college drop-out who happened to meet a guy who had developed DOS. He saw the potential, borrowed I think $100k from his parents and bought it. Then he went personally to IBM which had the PC but no decent operating system. IBM wanted to buy it but Gates was shrewed enough to only license it by the copy. The rest is history.

The guys who started Google were college students.

McDonald's, Walmart and KFC were started by average working stiffs who started with one small store and an idea.

America is still the land of opportunity so get your facts straight please.

Aha. Now the book that I read said that IBM first approached Dr. Gary Kildall who invented the CPM operating system, but Dr. Kildare declined to meet with them as he had a private flying lesson scheduled for the time that the emissaries from IBM wished to meet...So they contacted Microsoft and after learning what it was that they wanted, Paul Allen jumped into a motor boat with an outboard motor and sped out to Vashon Island where he concluded a purchase agreement for DOS from the developer for a measly $10,000, came back to Seattle the same evening and concluded the deal with IBM.

I opened an account with Kasikorn Securities in late January. I have a very good representative who has made excellent recommendations and each morning I receive a fairly detailed analysis briefing from their research department. So far up over 20% on dividend paying stocks. For me it was a no brainer; this is a vibrant expanding economy that makes sense to participate in.

For those waiting for the SET to pull back 10-15%, my gut reaction is that you will miss the boat.

We buy individual companies, not the market, and every day there is a new opportunity.

After reading every post from the beginning to the end, from being swayed from one side to the other, what strikes me most was the simple reported fact that the man was released on bail of 400,000 baht which I find to be curious at best - maybe to spare the state the expense of incarcerating him in a medical facility?

As to the photographic evidence, I have seen a lot of very good photos that have been Photoshopped, and while certainly no expert and of often faulty memory, I was under the impression that due to the possibilities of Photoshopped photographic evidence, that in many jurisdictions photo evidence is not allowed.

For those reasons, as I am not privy to the evidence, I will join with those who will wait to pass judgement AFTER he has been tried and either released or sentenced. That said, I am not so naive to have been convinced that where there is smoke there is usually fire.

obtaining a police report i.e., from America would not necessarily close any loop hole. In reality it only provides a local account of any criminal activity. America is a big place and when you go to the local police department, the report only applies to that city. This report when presented is accepted but I think without understanding that it is not all inclusive applying to the Federal government and all cities of America.

I believe the required report for an O-A visa in the US is a report from the FBI ?...understand its a national thing...not sure on this as nit a US citizen

The requirement is not for an FBI report. For 3 years I have went to the sheriff's office in the county where I live since I'm not in an incorporated city. I don't know whether it would apply to sex offences, but there are a lot of felonies that can be expunged after a period of time and then a person can state that they have never been arrested.

Maybe as an appropriate step for all retirees coming to live in Thailand is that they provide an upto date police report from their own countries, know this is place for for an O-A visa, but there is a loop hole in the "retirement visa" process and this should be closed...any sniff of criminal conviction, visa declined.

Each time I have applied for my non-immigrant type "O" visa (retirement) I have had to provide a notarized affidavit from my local police authority pertaining to criminal record if any. One of the problems in the case of pedophiles is that they might never have been arrested before, or previous to the 5 year window of the report requested.

I have also been under the assumption (it appears mistakenly so) that big brother would alert the authorities of the destination countries when a previously convicted sex offender was leaving the country. In the USA, once convicted of a sex offense, it follows the convicted and he must register with the local authorities whenever he moves to a new location, and the neighbors are alerted to his presence.

I'm Christian and you know what Islam says about my religion? It says Jesus Christ wasn't the son of God. Neither was he crucified and he didn't die on the cross for the sins of the world. They have disrespected the foundation of my religion. Now do you see any Christians going out there protesting and killing Muslims? Or firebombing their mosques?

There is no excuse for their kind of barbaric behavior. And it's amazing some people are still practically defending what they're doing in the name of their peaceful religion.

No.. but I see Christians creating this stupid movie that seemed to have only 1 point.. to insult and incite violence and hatred.

I believe you should qualify this as extremist Christians as I think it fair to say they are not representative of all Christians just as extrmeist Muslims are not representative of all the adherents of Islam.

Now it's of world wide news and a little more information than previously reported.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/03/vorayuth-yoovidhya-red-bull-heir-arrested_n_1851703.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D200493

5 AM in morning, might be drunk...

More pictures here :

http://www.dailynews...th/crime/153092

I assume it is the young man in the blue shirt who is being arrested and it is obvious that he shows no contrition whatsoever for what has happened.

I think if I were a common Thai that I would urge everyone that I knew to boycott purchasing Red Bull until justice has been done; and the expatriate members of TV who are aware and consume the product should do so also.

What a sterling example of Thai Visa logic. The evidence that it is easy to hide in Thailand is the arrest of a wanted fugitive.

...who ...we may assume neither walked or swam here. He boarded a flight in "oh so advanced" Europe where he has been hiding for God knows how long... and when he got here ... lights out.

Yes sir...that is some deep thinking folks...

He didn't just land here and "lights out". From one of the news articles: ...."He was arrest at a luxurious home in a lane off Saiyuen Road, Rawai, where he reportedly had been living for 17 months with a 24-year-old Thai wife."...

..."An investigation by the Belgian authorities found De Schutter fled to Phuket over a year ago and sometimes went on business trips to Singapore. They requested Thai police arrest him for extradition to Belgium."

My question is what kind of a visa did he have? For my non-immigrant "O" I have to supply a statement from my local law enforcement officials stating that I have no criminal record. If the guy was wanted, how was he able to board an aircraft from his own country?

"The Land of Smiles": one of the most successful marketing slogans of all time.

No, the word "Gay" transformed from happy to homo was the marketing slogan of all times.

Actually "gay" is a French term even more derogatory than "queer" and adopted by homosexuals in open defiance as a badge to be worn proudly. At least that is what a Sunday Parade magazine (American) newspaper insert article stated roughly 20 or 25 years ago when the term "gay" became more widespread.

This news is particularly alarming for me. Being from the United States, we don't have many outbreaks of this disease. Prior to this event, I admit to having very little knowledge about it at all. It has been confirmed that there is at least one case of it at my school. There hasn't been any talk of closure yet, but you never know when a school like Chula does something like this. Others may very well follow.

I'm back in the USA for a short while. Two days ago my 16 month old grandsons (twins) came down with this disease. One evening of discomfort and the next day fine. My daughter says it was picked up at the gym she goes to.

What is difficult for me to believe is the 'sky is falling' attitude of so many posters over a viral infection that is seriously not serious. The negative attitudes of so many posters on here denigrating Thai officials for not containing something so difficult to contain, so easily spread, is simply appalling. Are you people for real?

Did you bother to read the rest of my post about why it would be a cause for alarm? It is serious. Numerous children have died in nearby countries. It is miserable for children despite usually being harmless in the long term. Hygiene and sanitation aren't a high priority, as my experience will show regarding the very minimum of providing soap in communal toilet areas. It is SOAP! It's not ROCKET SCIENCE! I didn't talk about any Thai officials at all, so I wonder why you are quoting my post. I certainly didn't say the sky was falling. I said, in other words, that I was concerned about the outbreak for some of the reasons outlined in the OP and raised further questions which I am not educated about.

Sorry. I quoted only the part of your post that I thought concerned lack of knowledge of the existence in the USA. My other comments were not directed to your post.

In fact, according to my daughter's pediatrician, there is a general outbreak in at least this area at this time, in numerous daycare centers, of what is described by her pediatrician as a VERY CONTAGIOUS but mild disease.

As far as my comments about 'the sky is falling' syndrome so prevalent on TV, it was not directed to you or your post but to the numerous almost hysterical posts in the preceding 100 or so posts.

My own understanding of "very contagious" is simply that it is easily spread and most likely no amount of hand washing and hand wringing is going to stop the spread. To expect Thai officials to have foreseen an outbreak after an incubation period of some several days is simply not reasonable.

This news is particularly alarming for me. Being from the United States, we don't have many outbreaks of this disease. Prior to this event, I admit to having very little knowledge about it at all. It has been confirmed that there is at least one case of it at my school. There hasn't been any talk of closure yet, but you never know when a school like Chula does something like this. Others may very well follow.

I'm back in the USA for a short while. Two days ago my 16 month old grandsons (twins) came down with this disease. One evening of discomfort and the next day fine. My daughter says it was picked up at the gym she goes to.

What is difficult for me to believe is the 'sky is falling' attitude of so many posters over a viral infection that is seriously not serious. The negative attitudes of so many posters on here denigrating Thai officials for not containing something so difficult to contain, so easily spread, is simply appalling. Are you people for real?

The notion that Obama might win is far fetched at best. The mainstream media which is full of liberal arts majors from liberal arts colleges can't stand to think that he may not win but even before the Wisconsin landslide last week, Romney is a shoe in. If you see polls to the contrary, look to the source and it will be either Time, CNN/ORC, or some other liberal outlet.

That being said, I would surely think it's better to be aligned with the US, broke as we are, than a communist regime even if they are the biggest. Who wants to be a commie, not me !

China is not a communist regime. It is to communism as the Republican Party in the USA is to law and order. The Chinese "communists" function as a totalitarian enterprise focused on profitability and of securing raw materials, resources and markets to maintain China Inc. Thailand is a source of resources. The US Republicans protected the perpetrators of the US financial crisis and advocate government interference in basic individual liberties (e.g. a woman's right to control her uterus). The reds you see hiding under your bed are most likely the dirty clothes and dustbunnies, and nothing else.

I studied China as an Asian Studies major in the 1970's. Even back then (and I'm sure before) there was a debate about the Chinese Communists just being a new dynasty in the seemingless regular 300 year intervals of revolution, ascendence, decline, new revolution with the leader of the revolution becoming the new emporer. The one constant in Chinese culture is that the Chinese individual's real allegiance is only to his family and I think it could be argued that any loyalty to the state is coerced upon those below from the top. The only difference is that the new emporers come from within the party whereas the old was leadership passing in genetic descent. Emporer, premier...doesn't matter, still the common factor in Chinese history of a totalitarian state. Sorry about being so far off the original post.

I just read an article about Madsen written by what seemed to be another conspiracy theorist; evidently Madsen believes that Obama was CIA, spent 1981-1983 in Afghanistan and also involved somehow with BCCI, Bill & Hil and Whitewater too! His mother was CIA and both of her parents also as well as his Indonesian step-father. I was going to forward the editorial and the copied text from Madsen's report posted by Nana Foods until I remembered that my son-in-law gets pissed at me when I send him links to unvetted news sources.

Sorry, but considering the source, both Madsen and Madsen's article do not pass the smell test.

Obviously Obummer's "Hope and Change" didn't work like all the other things he promised.

You can try blaming it on Obama, but that's a loooooong stretch.

American is addicted to borrowing, as are all other countries' people and governments, business people and scammers. Many large corporations are compelled to take out large loans each week - just to meet workers' salaries. US dollars are issued on a debt basis, as is every other financial function. When people learn to 'pay as they go', then debt dissolves, and solvency rules. Ronald Reagan's two terms (among other things) saddled the US with gargantuan debt. In contrast, Clinton balanced the budget. After Clinton, came two term Bush Jr. (another Republican who pretended he was a 'supply sider' but was actually a 'shovel tens of billions on to corporate laps' like his Republican brethren.

Personally, I haven't had any debt for decades, and it feels ok. Plus, I don't get one penny of hand-outs, pensions, SS or anything from any government. How do I do it? Thrift and hard work. I pay as I go. If US or European countries could embrace that concept, none of the 'sky is falling' scenarios would be happening in those debt-ridden places.

Will not try to argue, however, it was not Bush 2 that directed Fannie and Freddie to accelerate loans to low income people in the attempt to expand home ownership, that was Bill "Cigar" Clinton. It was under the Clinton admin that the 3% and 0% down payments with adjustable mortgages were launched.

I bought a house at the exact top of the previous housing bubble (Sept 1981) and was underwater until 1997 which is when the most recent housing bubble started. Paid $91,950 for that place and sold it in 2005 for $238,000. So, under which administration did the housing bubble begin?

Don't misunderstand; not promoting either Democrat or Republican as I like Ron Paul and like you, I have been debt free since 1997 having paid off that mortgage that needed 20% down to qualify.

The argument about taking on more mortgage debt to reduce income taxes is the biggest crock of crap ever foisted on the general public. Do the math, you'll always be ahead with paying taxes on the money that would have went to interest and saving the balance.

I went to Vietnam once! Only once. Never had a pick pocket but tried to scam me every other way. Overcharged, no change? Got robbed by the staff in a upscale hotel. I had to argue every transaction. It was just a headache. It will be a long time before I return for sure.

Vietnam can suck a big one as far as I am concerned.

I went there last October for only 8 days and my experience was similar.

My Vietnamese friend cautioned me to not let anything dear to me out of sight. Three days after arriving at HCMC, traveled by bus to Mui Ne and if you can believe it, had 2 mangos I had purchased at a previous stop lifted from me when I left them on a table at another rest stop while relieving myself and gone for only a couple of minutes. It was obviously another passenger on the bus as we were the only people who were at the stop.

It was just one of many negatives in dealing with Vietnamese people. Vietnam has beautiful scenery, however, the general poverty and dishonesty of so many of the populace make it a place I will not return to. People are not very friendly, seldom helpful, and I was told by my friend of many scams the taxi drivers will pull and sure enough, my final night in HCMC I got scammed by a taxi driver into paying double for what was a large bill to begin with.

My intent was to investigate Nha Trang after reading an article on Yahoo that proclaimed it to be the new lowest cost destination for retirees who want to live on the cheap. I only purchased a one way ticket to in case I wanted to spend some time there, but 8 days was enough and I could not wait to return to Thailand...bottom line is that I would not live there if I was being paid to do so. If Vietnam really wants to reinvent itself as a world class destination for tourists they will need to have a massive education program for the general public.

Only 25 years after all the people who have been murdered with illegal weapons that he sold?

Are you kidding me??? This guy has sold weapons for the U.S where the U.S couldn't be seen selling weapons to certain countries. He's been in business with them all along, and now they crucify him for whatever reason! Besides how many people are killed by American soldiers on a daily basis all over the world in the name of OIL!!! The American government has killed more people than any other nation on this planet!!!

No, I think Germany, Russia, China are ahead by millions.

You're certainly correct there. I can't tell you the numbers for Adolph Hitler, but I believe over 7 million. Joseph Stalin is credited with over 25 million and Mao Tse Tung with 30 to 60 million. Pol Pot in Cambodia well over 1 million. I doubt seriously that the number of people killed directly by US forces after WWII even reaches 1 million.

If it were not for the United States, people in France would be speaking German, Great Britain would be a colony of Germany, and Australia, New Zealand and India would be colonies of Japan.

I live very near to the location. There is a mosque nearby and many Muslims live in that area and I would bet that they are as apalled as everyone else in the neighborhood as I have never observed any outward hostility toward anyone.

Naked Suicides........

Just off the top of my head, George Reeves, the original television superman was naked when he shot himself in the head. Marilyn Monroe, attributed as suicide, naked in her bed.

From a Google search: Robert Maxwell, British tycoon. Christen Schnor, HSBC head of insurance. Rebecca Zahau in San Diego.

Lots of people who commit suicide do so naked...

And who is to say that he was not sleeping nude and managed to sleep walk...

Is not suicide usually considered to be irrational? What is so irrational about commiting an irrational act in what most commentators here consider to be an irrational state of dress?

What I love about this forum is all of the people who automatically assume that foul play was involved in almost any death that did not have an eyewitness and even then the eyewitness testimony is considered to be false...

In 1976 I had the dubious pleasure of being in Taiwan as a student. While checking in at the hostel I lived at for a few days, I witnessed a public execution by firing squad of 3 young men on live TV, ages 17 to 19. They had held up a 'factory' with knives and took the owners wristwatches. Apprehended in a matter of minutes of the execution of the crime, they were swiftly tried and executed three days after. Any crime involving 2 or more perpetrators was considered 'conspiracy against the government' and punishable by death.

I had a group of 5 businessmen for a private English class. We met once a week at a restaurant in the evening for English conversation. After our meal one evening as we walked down a busy street, there was a woman hunched over in a squat position, back bent so her stomach was against her knees and she had to move like a crab. When I stopped to put a few almost worthless coins in her cup, one of my students angrily stopped me, telling me that she was a criminal. At the time, Taiwan sent their criminals to an island where they were housed in 'tiger cages' and their knees calcified and given a few years, they would never walk again.

Say what you will about cruel and unusual punishment - a strong visual deterrent led to a very low crime rate. Not that I recommend such punishment for drug offenders, but I would wager that if such a fate were the outcome for persons convicted, you would most likely not see much of a drug problem.

what absolute rubbish. e g china has very harsh laws and has massive drug use, most of the heroin from burma goes to china

I don't know what you mean to refer to about 'absolute rubbish'. In 1976, Taiwan was not under the control of the PRC. Chiang Kai-shek had just recently died and the PRC regularly shelled just offshore of the island, relations with the PRC had not yet been normalized by the US and US policy at the time continued to support a separate independent Republic of China (ROC) on Taiwan. What I wrote was what I observed with my own eyes, and the lady I observed was probably sentenced for theft. If you read carefully, I never mentioned drugs.

Whether China has a huge drug problem is moot and not germane to either the news article or my comment as Taiwan is still a sovereign state not under the control of the PRC of mainland China and in fact ROC continue to maintain that the government there is the legitimate government for the mainland.

My point was that people who emerge from tiger cages on island prisons who spend the rest of their days walking like crabs offer visual reinforcement of why it is best not to engage in criminal behavior. Same can be said for swift executions broadcast on live TV.

I would certainly be interested in a cite for your source about the massive drug use in China and heroin from Burma going there. If you'd like to make your comment germane to my comment, perhaps you'd like to tell all of us about any massive drug use on the island of Taiwan, Republic of China.

In 1976 I had the dubious pleasure of being in Taiwan as a student. While checking in at the hostel I lived at for a few days, I witnessed a public execution by firing squad of 3 young men on live TV, ages 17 to 19. They had held up a 'factory' with knives and took the owners wristwatches. Apprehended in a matter of minutes of the execution of the crime, they were swiftly tried and executed three days after. Any crime involving 2 or more perpetrators was considered 'conspiracy against the government' and punishable by death.

I had a group of 5 businessmen for a private English class. We met once a week at a restaurant in the evening for English conversation. After our meal one evening as we walked down a busy street, there was a woman hunched over in a squat position, back bent so her stomach was against her knees and she had to move like a crab. When I stopped to put a few almost worthless coins in her cup, one of my students angrily stopped me, telling me that she was a criminal. At the time, Taiwan sent their criminals to an island where they were housed in 'tiger cages' and their knees calcified and given a few years, they would never walk again.

Say what you will about cruel and unusual punishment - a strong visual deterrent led to a very low crime rate. Not that I recommend such punishment for drug offenders, but I would wager that if such a fate were the outcome for persons convicted, you would most likely not see much of a drug problem.