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hope someone lets their insurance company know that they were intending to defraud them
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last time i was there, about 5 years ago i thought it was strange very few public access roads to the main beach
every one walked through the various bungalows and resorts etc to get to the beach
i thought it would only be a matter of time before the owners stop public access or start to charge for it
has it happened yet?
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, So in the words of Johnny Cash "I'll be a solitary man." Jim
i think neil diamond was the solitary man, johnny walked the line.
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if you want to check if your partner is lying to you
install a keystroke logger on your computer and monitor it for a while.
it will be a shock to most guys what some of these so called good girls
are getting up to on their email accoounts and the sites they are looking at.
i think it is a must if you are serious about your thai girl friend
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I have always found it odd that most men insist on fidelity. I always thought what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Perhaps that's why I get lied to less or maybe not. At any rate it is not an important issue in my life. A calm home life and peaceful existence is far more important to me. She is 35 and I am 65. If she wants a little on the side, good for her. All of my needs are met and I am a happy camper.
also, lets not forget some guys get a bit of a buzz from the idea of their wives being pumped by another guy
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It was discussed in a different thread here on TV. Different hotel, different symptoms and certainly unrelated.
Mr Pandolo said his wife was staying in a different hotel, but the symptoms were the same.
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Another mystery death in Thailand
By Stuart Dye 5:21 PM Wednesday Mar 9, 2011
Mariam Soraya Vorster, left, died mysteriously in Chiang Mai just weeks before New Zealander Sarah Carter, right. Photos / Supplied
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American Mariam Soraya Vorster, a 33-year-old from Seattle working as a guide in Chiang Mai, died on January 11 - just over three weeks before 23-year-old Sarah died.
Ms Vorster's husband Tony Pandolo told the Herald his wife was perfectly fit and healthy and became sick with symptoms of food poisoning before she died.
"I kept asking about the health department, or what the next steps would be with the restaurant," Mr Pandolo said. "No one really seemed to know, and it turns out no one really did anything.
"Soraya had an autopsy at University Hospital in Chiang Mai on January 12 or 13 and we still have no results."
Ms Vorster's death is one of five in a six-week spell in Chiang Mai.
Local woman Waraporn Pungmahisiranon died two days before Sarah and British pensioners George and Eileen Everitt died less than two weeks later.
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Mr Pandolo said his wife was staying in a different hotel, but the symptoms were the same.
At a press conference in Bangkok yesterday, Chiang Mai Governor Pannada Disakul said: "We have to admit that these deaths coming one after another are nothing more than coincidence.
"We have done and will continue to do our utmost to make tourists confident in our city."
The press conference was told Mr and Mrs Everitt, 78 and 74, died within minutes of each other of heart attacks.
The couple's son Stephen Everitt yesterday told the Herald that was not a believable explanation.
"They had no history of heart problems or any other problems," said Mr Everitt from his home in Lincolnshire.
"They were active and healthy for their age and it has come as a total shock.
"And now they want me to believe they both had heart attacks at the same time. It doesn't make sense. How can it be coincidence?"
Yesterday's press conference, which did not include details of Ms Vorster's death, was told tests were still being conducted into Sarah's death.
Tests on tissue taken from Sarah Carter had been inconclusive and samples had been sent for analysis to the United States and Japan, said Dr. Pasakorn Akaraseri, of the Communicable Disease Department of Thailand's Ministry of Health.
He said there was no evidence to suggest that any of the deaths were as a result of the guests eating food bought at the local market or on the street.
Sarah and two friends - Amanda Eliason and Emma Langlands - became sick in the Downtown Inn in Chiang Mai on February 4. Sarah died in hospital two days later.
Amanda and Emma recovered and are now back in New Zealand.
Richard Carter, Sarah's father, said the press conference was a "fob off".
"It doesn't sound like there's any real investigation going on here.
"You start to wonder how many other deaths there have been that are being swept under the carpet."
Mr Carter said the New Zealand Government needed to put on more pressure to find out how many similar deaths there had been in the last few years so travellers could make informed decisions.
"At the moment it's pot luck. People head off on holiday and then 'bang' they're dead."
Foreign Minister Murray McCully said the comments from the press conference were "not wholly convincing and we intend to give them closer scrutiny".
"We will look into the matter further. I gather there is still some work being done of a forensic nature of some samples and we are looking forward to seeing that material too.
"It's clear that we need to ask some more questions."
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NZ woman one of four to die mysteriously at Thai hotel
By Stuart Dye 7:07 AM Friday Mar 4, 2011
The Downtown Hotel where Sarah Carter (inset) was staying when she fell ill. Photos / Supplied
Four people have died in mysterious circumstances at the Thai hotel where a New Zealand woman fell fatally ill last month.
New Zealander Sarah Carter was among those who died after she and two friends became sick in the Downtown Inn in Thailand.
Now it has emerged two British pensioners were found dead several days after Sarah lost her fight for life.
And police have confirmed a Thai woman died in the room next door to Sarah's the day before Sarah fell ill.
Health authorities initially blamed food poisoning for the Sarah's death, but have since said tests have proved inconclusive.
The Herald understands authorities have not yet uncovered reasons for the deaths of the three other victims - pensioners George and Eileen Everitt and local woman Waraporn Pungmahisiranon. It is not known if the authorities believe there are links.
A Chiang Mai police spokesman confirmed the deaths but stressed: "It is dangerous to jump to conclusions."
aimRenderAd(300, 250, 'RECTANGLE','ContentRect','/SR=1/POS=2');if(!$.browser.msie){ContentRect_frame = $("#ContentRect")[0];ContentRect_frame.src = ContentRect_frame.src;}Richard Carter, Sarah's father, told the Herald he had still not been told by Thai authorities what had caused his daughter's death.
"One death the day before and two in the following days indicates it's not just pure coincidence."
The New Zealand Embassy had been helpful but had received little information from the authorities in Thailand.
Mr Carter said he hoped the New Zealand Government could apply pressure.
"We need to get answers - not so much for ourselves, but for other travellers going to Thailand."
Sarah's body did not undergo a post-mortem examination back in New Zealand.
Mr Carter said the initial shock and trauma of Sarah's death had subsided but had left behind a "constant anguish".
"We will never have Sarah with us and that's a difficult thing to live with each day.
Letters and phone calls of support had helped, he said, but each day started with the awful thought of never seeing Sarah again.
"That is a constant thing that will never leave us," Mr Carter said.
Sarah, 23, died in hospital on Waitangi Day, two days after she was found in her hotel room with friends Emma Langlands and Amanda Eliason, who were also both very ill. They have since recovered and returned to New Zealand.
Richard Langlands, Emma's father, said his daughter had only just recovered and started showing signs of her old self.
"In the last few days...she has started revisiting what happened. She is very interested now in helping to determine what happened."
The girls had been told by the hotel manager about the death of the Thai woman, he said.
Peter Eliason said the only communication from Thai health authorities had been an email asking for a new blood sample from his daughter.
"At the time (of the illnesses) we were concerned only with getting our daughter safe and getting her out. Now it is becoming very suspicious. It's all a bit too coincidental."
Mr Eliason, a farmer in New Plymouth, said tests results were promised within two weeks.
"It's way more than two weeks now and we need to have some answers."
The Herald understands the first body - that of local woman Waraporn Pungmahisiranon - was found in the room next door to the New Zealand girls either the same day or the day before the girls fell ill.
A source at the Downtown Inn said the body was covered in a sheet, and taken down a fire escape.
"They obviously took the body down that route so as to not alarm guests. It was not the easiest way out."
Less than two weeks later British couple George and Eileen Everitt, aged 78 and 73, were found dead in separate beds at their room on the fourth floor of the hotel.
Chiang Mai Police Captain Wichian Chompu said the bodies were discovered in Room 42.
"There were no signs of violence or any signs of medication indicating they might have taken their own lives," he said.
A friend of the couple, who were holidaying from their Lincolnshire home, said they had been given no indication of what had caused the deaths.
"It's knocked the stuffing out of us and we've not idea what happened," said the friend.
Hotel manager Thantep Bunkeow said he could not comment on the cause of death.
Hundreds of people have been ringing up including tour operators. I am referring all calls to police and the Department of Health."
A spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade said Thailand's Centre for Disease Control and Chiang Mai Public Health Department were carrying out investigations into the death Sarah Carter.
"New Zealand Embassy staff have requested a copy of the findings and continue to follow up with the Thai authorities.
"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade has been made aware of unconfirmed reports of the deaths of other foreign nationals in the same area and we are making contact with other Embassies in Bangkok to verify these reports."
MYSTERY DEATHS:
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NZ woman one of four to die mysteriously at Thai hotel
By Stuart Dye 7:07 AM Friday Mar 4, 2011
The Downtown Hotel where Sarah Carter (inset) was staying when she fell ill. Photos / Supplied
Four people have died in mysterious circumstances at the Thai hotel where a New Zealand woman fell fatally ill last month.
New Zealander Sarah Carter was among those who died after she and two friends became sick in the Downtown Inn in Thailand.
Now it has emerged two British pensioners were found dead several days after Sarah lost her fight for life.
And police have confirmed a Thai woman died in the room next door to Sarah's the day before Sarah fell ill.
Health authorities initially blamed food poisoning for the Sarah's death, but have since said tests have proved inconclusive.
The Herald understands authorities have not yet uncovered reasons for the deaths of the three other victims - pensioners George and Eileen Everitt and local woman Waraporn Pungmahisiranon. It is not known if the authorities believe there are links.
A Chiang Mai police spokesman confirmed the deaths but stressed: "It is dangerous to jump to conclusions."
aimRenderAd(300, 250, 'RECTANGLE','ContentRect','/SR=1/POS=2');if(!$.browser.msie){ContentRect_frame = $("#ContentRect")[0];ContentRect_frame.src = ContentRect_frame.src;}Richard Carter, Sarah's father, told the Herald he had still not been told by Thai authorities what had caused his daughter's death.
"One death the day before and two in the following days indicates it's not just pure coincidence."
The New Zealand Embassy had been helpful but had received little information from the authorities in Thailand.
Mr Carter said he hoped the New Zealand Government could apply pressure.
"We need to get answers - not so much for ourselves, but for other travellers going to Thailand."
Sarah's body did not undergo a post-mortem examination back in New Zealand.
Mr Carter said the initial shock and trauma of Sarah's death had subsided but had left behind a "constant anguish".
"We will never have Sarah with us and that's a difficult thing to live with each day.
Letters and phone calls of support had helped, he said, but each day started with the awful thought of never seeing Sarah again.
"That is a constant thing that will never leave us," Mr Carter said.
Sarah, 23, died in hospital on Waitangi Day, two days after she was found in her hotel room with friends Emma Langlands and Amanda Eliason, who were also both very ill. They have since recovered and returned to New Zealand.
Richard Langlands, Emma's father, said his daughter had only just recovered and started showing signs of her old self.
"In the last few days...she has started revisiting what happened. She is very interested now in helping to determine what happened."
The girls had been told by the hotel manager about the death of the Thai woman, he said.
Peter Eliason said the only communication from Thai health authorities had been an email asking for a new blood sample from his daughter.
"At the time (of the illnesses) we were concerned only with getting our daughter safe and getting her out. Now it is becoming very suspicious. It's all a bit too coincidental."
Mr Eliason, a farmer in New Plymouth, said tests results were promised within two weeks.
"It's way more than two weeks now and we need to have some answers."
The Herald understands the first body - that of local woman Waraporn Pungmahisiranon - was found in the room next door to the New Zealand girls either the same day or the day before the girls fell ill.
A source at the Downtown Inn said the body was covered in a sheet, and taken down a fire escape.
"They obviously took the body down that route so as to not alarm guests. It was not the easiest way out."
Less than two weeks later British couple George and Eileen Everitt, aged 78 and 73, were found dead in separate beds at their room on the fourth floor of the hotel.
Chiang Mai Police Captain Wichian Chompu said the bodies were discovered in Room 42.
"There were no signs of violence or any signs of medication indicating they might have taken their own lives," he said.
A friend of the couple, who were holidaying from their Lincolnshire home, said they had been given no indication of what had caused the deaths.
"It's knocked the stuffing out of us and we've not idea what happened," said the friend.
Hotel manager Thantep Bunkeow said he could not comment on the cause of death.
Hundreds of people have been ringing up including tour operators. I am referring all calls to police and the Department of Health."
A spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade said Thailand's Centre for Disease Control and Chiang Mai Public Health Department were carrying out investigations into the death Sarah Carter.
"New Zealand Embassy staff have requested a copy of the findings and continue to follow up with the Thai authorities.
"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade has been made aware of unconfirmed reports of the deaths of other foreign nationals in the same area and we are making contact with other Embassies in Bangkok to verify these reports."
MYSTERY DEATHS:
Feb 3: Waraporn Pungmahisiranon found dead in room 516
Feb 4: Sarah Carter found sick in room 518. She died in hospital on Feb 6
Feb 19: George and Eileen Everitt found dead in room 42
Getting back on track
Emma Langlands and Amanda Eliason have finally been able to get their lives back on track and both started back at work this week.
However, Peter Eliason said his daughter still had a long way to go.
"She can only work mornings because she gets so tired at the moment and she still has to see a cardiologist."
Amanda, who works at the Ministry for Economic Development, was in intensive care and needed a heart procedure before she was eventually allowed to fly home on February 13 - more than a week after she fell ill.
Richard Langlands said his daughter took a number of weeks to bounce back from the physical toll.
"Only in the last few days she has regained her energy and vitality. That shows you the timeframe of the impact of this."
But the emotional toll for both girls will take much longer, Mr Eliason.
"They've held it in and I don't know if it has fully hit them. Amanda has lost one of her best friends and, particularly in such circumstances, that is tough. We've all lost a lovely girl."
- additional reporting Andrew Drummond
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NZ woman one of four to die mysteriously at Thai hotel
By Stuart Dye 7:07 AM Friday Mar 4, 2011The Downtown Hotel where Sarah Carter (inset) was staying when she fell ill. Photos / Supplied
Four people have died in mysterious circumstances at the Thai hotel where a New Zealand woman fell fatally ill last month.
New Zealander Sarah Carter was among those who died after she and two friends became sick in the Downtown Inn in Thailand.
Now it has emerged two British pensioners were found dead several days after Sarah lost her fight for life.
And police have confirmed a Thai woman died in the room next door to Sarah's the day before Sarah fell ill.
Health authorities initially blamed food poisoning for the Sarah's death, but have since said tests have proved inconclusive.
The Herald understands authorities have not yet uncovered reasons for the deaths of the three other victims - pensioners George and Eileen Everitt and local woman Waraporn Pungmahisiranon. It is not known if the authorities believe there are links.
A Chiang Mai police spokesman confirmed the deaths but stressed: "It is dangerous to jump to conclusions."
aimRenderAd(300, 250, 'RECTANGLE','ContentRect','/SR=1/POS=2');if(!$.browser.msie){ContentRect_frame = $("#ContentRect")[0];ContentRect_frame.src = ContentRect_frame.src;}Richard Carter, Sarah's father, told the Herald he had still not been told by Thai authorities what had caused his daughter's death.
"One death the day before and two in the following days indicates it's not just pure coincidence."
The New Zealand Embassy had been helpful but had received little information from the authorities in Thailand.
Mr Carter said he hoped the New Zealand Government could apply pressure.
"We need to get answers - not so much for ourselves, but for other travellers going to Thailand."
Sarah's body did not undergo a post-mortem examination back in New Zealand.
Mr Carter said the initial shock and trauma of Sarah's death had subsided but had left behind a "constant anguish".
"We will never have Sarah with us and that's a difficult thing to live with each day.
Letters and phone calls of support had helped, he said, but each day started with the awful thought of never seeing Sarah again.
"That is a constant thing that will never leave us," Mr Carter said.
Sarah, 23, died in hospital on Waitangi Day, two days after she was found in her hotel room with friends Emma Langlands and Amanda Eliason, who were also both very ill. They have since recovered and returned to New Zealand.
Richard Langlands, Emma's father, said his daughter had only just recovered and started showing signs of her old self.
"In the last few days...she has started revisiting what happened. She is very interested now in helping to determine what happened."
The girls had been told by the hotel manager about the death of the Thai woman, he said.
Peter Eliason said the only communication from Thai health authorities had been an email asking for a new blood sample from his daughter.
"At the time (of the illnesses) we were concerned only with getting our daughter safe and getting her out. Now it is becoming very suspicious. It's all a bit too coincidental."
Mr Eliason, a farmer in New Plymouth, said tests results were promised within two weeks.
"It's way more than two weeks now and we need to have some answers."
The Herald understands the first body - that of local woman Waraporn Pungmahisiranon - was found in the room next door to the New Zealand girls either the same day or the day before the girls fell ill.
A source at the Downtown Inn said the body was covered in a sheet, and taken down a fire escape.
"They obviously took the body down that route so as to not alarm guests. It was not the easiest way out."
Less than two weeks later British couple George and Eileen Everitt, aged 78 and 73, were found dead in separate beds at their room on the fourth floor of the hotel.
Chiang Mai Police Captain Wichian Chompu said the bodies were discovered in Room 42.
"There were no signs of violence or any signs of medication indicating they might have taken their own lives," he said.
A friend of the couple, who were holidaying from their Lincolnshire home, said they had been given no indication of what had caused the deaths.
"It's knocked the stuffing out of us and we've not idea what happened," said the friend.
Hotel manager Thantep Bunkeow said he could not comment on the cause of death.
Hundreds of people have been ringing up including tour operators. I am referring all calls to police and the Department of Health."
A spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade said Thailand's Centre for Disease Control and Chiang Mai Public Health Department were carrying out investigations into the death Sarah Carter.
"New Zealand Embassy staff have requested a copy of the findings and continue to follow up with the Thai authorities.
"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade has been made aware of unconfirmed reports of the deaths of other foreign nationals in the same area and we are making contact with other Embassies in Bangkok to verify these reports."
MYSTERY DEATHS:
Feb 3: Waraporn Pungmahisiranon found dead in room 516
Feb 4: Sarah Carter found sick in room 518. She died in hospital on Feb 6
Feb 19: George and Eileen Everitt found dead in room 42
Getting back on track
Emma Langlands and Amanda Eliason have finally been able to get their lives back on track and both started back at work this week.
However, Peter Eliason said his daughter still had a long way to go.
"She can only work mornings because she gets so tired at the moment and she still has to see a cardiologist."
Amanda, who works at the Ministry for Economic Development, was in intensive care and needed a heart procedure before she was eventually allowed to fly home on February 13 - more than a week after she fell ill.
Richard Langlands said his daughter took a number of weeks to bounce back from the physical toll.
"Only in the last few days she has regained her energy and vitality. That shows you the timeframe of the impact of this."
But the emotional toll for both girls will take much longer, Mr Eliason.
"They've held it in and I don't know if it has fully hit them. Amanda has lost one of her best friends and, particularly in such circumstances, that is tough. We've all lost a lovely girl."
- additional reporting Andrew Drummond
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If it doesn't stimulate either blood flow to the groin or testosterone production, it's probably quackery. I'm always suspicious of anything containing ginseng that's being touted as some "novel stimulant."
But the oyster content (rich in zinc) is likely what gives it it's oomph. I used to get the same effect by eating squid, too, but not so much anymore. I personally take a small amount of zinc gluconate every day along with a lecithin capsule (to maintain good seminal volume) and either tribulus or a small amount of DHEA to stimulate testosterone production.
Also, some mucuna pruriens daily without fail for that nice dopamine boost (the "pleasure chemical" ).
I also have some yohimbe but limit its use to about once a week or so as it is too much for my system to take all the time now. I still get the desired prurient "itch" from it but only slightly now. It mostly just raises my blood pressure and gives me a slight headache a few hours later. But, it's my opinion yohimbe may, in fact, have anti-fungal properties which is why it will tend to inflame persistent fungal infections at first, but then later on cause then to be alleviated. I had a mild but stubborn case of jock itch as well as some mild facial fungal infections that hung on for years, and after a few months of the yohimbe they were finally gone. A nice "side-effect" for a change...
In terms of safety, there are numerous reports of unsafe reactions to this herb. The FDA in the United States, as well as the German Commission E, both contain reports of kidney failure and seizures attributed to this plant. There are too many side effects associated with Yohimbe to even bother taking it for treating erectile dysfunction. While you may get an erection, you’ll have other “surprises” such as rapid heartbeat, insomnia, anxiety, dizziness, and this is just from taking the normal dose of Yohimbe. A higher dose of 40mg a day or more can cause changes in blood pressure, hot flashes, nausea and hallucinations. Overdosing on Yohimbe can prove fatal.
just found the above while having a look on the internet.
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In posts 2 and 3 on this thread, another poster and I said, "Just be yourself."
At post 137, IsaanAussie says, Just be yourself."
We seem to have gone a long route to get back to the start!
but what say you are a grumpy old bugger, wouldnt it pay to be someone else
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As far as I can remember out of the 20 or 30 odd farangs I know fairly well here in Thailand only one has not bought his Thai wife a house, possibly as he is not married to her.
at least youhave one friend with brains, someone who wants to control his own destiny and not subject it to the whims of a wife or gf
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people are in the main friendly and show a decent level of respect, it does differ depending on the westerner and his attitudes, me i only have positive interactions, most in the village refer to me by name, but have witnessed them being rude/disrespectful to other westerners, perhaps this is due to their partners actions/reputations.
my tips for fitting in as a casual visitor
3. be able to keep a secret (just sit and smile, you know the truth but dont give the game away)
does this include not telling your farang pal he is being two timed by his wife / gf
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Thai ladies still want 'leaders' in men....hence why you will often hear 'Up to you'.
i thought they say that because they dont give a rats arse one way or the other
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Eyes--throat--testicles
act fast
leave the scene.
sounds like gareth from " the office"
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with these sort of guys probably the best you can hope for
is that they decide to hire a jet ski one day.......
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If you are over 30, forget about the young ones... you are stuck with a divorcee, a bar fly with tattoos or some woman with a few kids as
the Thai men will never go near them. If you are under 30 and decent looking, the Thai girl world is yours.
Even if you manage to land your dream girl, be prepared to dish out some serious money for her family or she will
move on to the next victim in which case, she becomes your nightmare and you scram back to which ever country you came from
broken heart and broken bank account.
Stay single and only have 30 minute relationships.
right on the money, young thai girls from good families are not interested in older falangs
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So you think it's ok only because other men have been shafted by other women?
How old are you?
I strongly disagree with the OP behavor, but he has the right to do whatever he wants.
no i think its ok because he told her the deal from the start and she accepted it .
thailand is full of guys sobbing into their beers because they did not lay down any rules from the start, and got walked all over
age has nothing to do with it
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" -- the OP may have a wife but he is totally alone; he is just a pathetic, miserable old man, who has not for one instant thought (or cared) about the happiness or emotional well being of his wife, and he will continue to wallow in that misery till the end -- a just reward for his behavior.
what about all all the pathetic , miserable old men who have cared for their wives and girlfriends
and brought houses etc and still been shafted
congrats to the op, there are a lot of real green guys here
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congratulations to swissee
there are too many weak and gullible farangs being manipulated by their wives/ girlfriends in thailand
he has told her the deal up front, she accepted it ,and stuck with it.
i think a lot of guys posting here are jealous, they have probably paid out big $ in sin sod etc
and are now starting to see how stupid they have been.
good luck to him , he is a lot stronger mentally than many posters here
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No way you should be taking your own tools get your nails trimmed and painted , thats no different than taking your car to a mechanic and telling him to use your tool box .
Tradesmen like to use their own tools
It's not the same thing. Car tools aren't used on humans with possible diseases. You can't infect cars with bacteria, fungi, and viruses. I agree tradesmen like to use their own tools. That's why I already said a polite NO (cannot/will not) would have been adequate and totally acceptable. (Although I still don't see the logic in turning down a potential loyal customer over such a triviality.) I agree it is an unusual request in Thailand where even scientifically oriented westerners succumb to magical thinking. A quick swipe with alcohol is not sterilization in the US, and it is not sterilization here either. I realize I am not encountering the brain trust going to a salon here so that's why I didn't want to waste the energy discussing the scientific basis for my request. I would have also been happy to discuss my reasons with the worker if she had asked me about it, POLITELY, in the middle of working on my nails! Yes, we should be polite to Thais, but sorry, Thais should be polite to us as well.
just wondering
do you take your own knife and fork with you when you go to a resturant ?
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[]Keep burying your head in the sand, ignorance is bliss.
you mean to say you know of no falangs who have been ripped off in your village
like you say ignorance is bliss
govoner, how can you talk for every village in Thailand? Been to them all? Have you been to mine? Of course not. Just because you have scummy family or neighbours doesn't mean that everyone else does as well.
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thanks for the info,
just wondering what is the 21day rule
cheers
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Why Are There So Many Russian Salespeople Here?
in Pattaya
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interesting article as to why the rich russians are getting their cash out of russia and into places like Pattaya.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n01/stephen-holmes/fragments-of-a-defunct-state