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I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to prove here but first if you think the Chinese government does not have their hands involved in many if not the majority of large Chinese corporations - especially the one that produces the vaccine - then you are either very naive or a Chinese Communist government apologist.

Well with the hard pushback from the restaurant industry emphasizing the idiocy and impracticality of these directives, I have faith that the majority of the Thai people do see through this and maintain a desire for freedom.

Well lookee here - In a new article just posted online from a publication we are not allowed to link to here - it seems the restaurants agree with me and many others - this new "directive" is a non starter. These businesses will not open under these illogical conditions. It says that Thais love freedom - thank god there is a ray of hope.

The issue here really is not the desire or non-desire to be vaxxed. It is the nonsensical and totalitarian requirement for restaurants to see your "vaccine papers" before you are allowed to eat in their business. First of all here in Thailand - there is no anti-vaxxer movement and demand for vaccines is exceeding the supply. I want to be fully vaxxed and so does my family but it is now almost September and we are still waiting and we have no idea when quality vaccines will be available to us. For the government to mandate this medical apartheid - especially at a time when over 90% of the country is not fully vaxxed - is discriminatory, unfair, and not rational(but what the government does in Thailand rarely is). Restaurants and customers did just fine with normal precautions since March of last year until they were forcibly shut down. Did Thailand have any "super spreader" events coming from restaurants? I don't recall any. This is simply a knee-jerk reaction that has no benefit economically to these businesses that desperately need any income they can get. You will now have 2 different scenarios: Restaurants that ignore this stupidity and accept all customers will begin to recover financially. Restaurants that discriminate will see very few or maybe zero customers and be forced to close again due to lack of business. Since I want to be vaccinated, but cannot due to the lack of supply - I will be eating in restaurants that do not discriminate - and no I am not in fear of catching a virus from other non-vaccinated diners.

What foreign tourists? This whole "vaccine passport" just to eat a meal in a restaurant is practically unworkable. If restaurants open this weekend - how many fully vaccinated customers will they see vs not fully vaccinated? They can choose to either not enforce this unfair and discriminatory directive and start to recover to make money - or attempt to enforce it soon finding out that there is a lack of any fully vaccinated potential customers in Thailand - let alone lemmings that will accept this. And what about children and those who cannot be vaccinated? Are they going to constantly pay for tests just to eat at a restaurant when chances are they are struggling economically ? Just go back to the way it was a few months ago - not enforce some knee-jerk over precaution.

Yeah I feel for these restaurants as they have been totally destroyed economically by these forced shutdowns and will also have to make hard choice: Either fully open up to all customers so that they can recover - or try and enforce these discriminatory vaccine passport policies and continue to lose money and eventually go bankrupt.

Could not have said it better myself. I grew up in a time when freedom of choice was a god given right. Sadly it seems a segment of society still needs to be told what to do and be lemmings unable to make any choices for themselves.

This does not look like a large majority to me:

That is a logical statement and it is called freedom of choice and assessing deadly risk. Nobody seems to bring up the "deadly risk" of sitting next to someone in a restaurant that has potential deadly flu or other contagious diseases. Or how about the "deadly risk" of driving on Thailand's highways at night when there could be drunk drivers on the road?

Right now in San Francisco and New York City. Already many restaurants are suing the government in New York against it.

I am not referring to vaccine passports for travel - that I don't have an issue with because international travel and entering a country is a much different activity than eating at a nearby restaurant. What I am against is showing anything (my ID, a vaccine passport, etc) to do things in everyday living such as eating in a cafe or shopping in a store. Integrity legal had an excellent video on this subject recently - If you are for this then basically you are paranoid and have a totalitarian mindset to control everything in your environment all of the time. Also I am not an anti-vaxxer - if someone does not want to get vaccinated - that is their choice and their responsibility. Who the hell am I to control them. And there are many problems in the world and I can't control them all like you seem to want to.

Yeah they make a lot of sense if you are for medical apartheid and discrimination just to enter, sit, and eat in a public restaurant. And you are wrong, most countries are not moving ahead with this type of plan and many are revolting. Spain just ruled against these vaccine passports - and rightly so - https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/international/2021/08/19/88381/supreme-court-rules-against-covid-passport-obligation-andalusia.html "Learning to live with it" in my opinion means accepting that life comes with risks while enjoying the freedom to live your life as you choose. As an unvaccinated person, I will take the very small risk of being able to eat in a restaurant and possibly getting a virus. In fact I did it quite often without any issues during the last year before restaurants were shut down. Did we ever require vaccine passports for the flu, measles, or tuberculosis? Actually my biggest fear of getting killed or injured in Thailand is driving the highways at night. That to me is much more risky than sitting in a restaurant - getting sick and then dying from a virus. These measures are knee-jerk over reactions to control behavior and I find them flat out draconian, overreaching, and will be mostly ignored as they will be too complicated to enforce.

The bottom of that article states "Customers will have to show a certificate to prove they are vaccinated. For those who have been infected and have recovered, they will have to have recovered for at least a month, but not more than 3 months, and must show a negative antigen test result." So if only 8% of the country is fully vaccinated, do all of the restaurants exclude 92% of the population as potential customers? I wont receive my second shot until the end of October. Does this mean I am forbidden from eating at restaurants for 2 more months? Also these vaccine passport requirements are illogical as fully vaccinated can also transmit the virus. Unworkable, unfair, and discriminatory. Oh and what about kids not eligible to get vaccinated - are they going to be required to take antigen tests before eating in a restaurant? Hope this goes down in flames within a week when restaurants enforcing this realize they have no customers while others that ignore it will again be making money.