anamore

who is a troll and who isn't?

sometimes the questions asked and the stories told are so strange that I just think "What's the matter with this one?" But I can'expect others to think the way I do or even act my way. You often have had this trollthing around but it becames a probleem when people write offensieve or dirty. Respect and acceptance of other(s) (meanings) should be the rule.

If they respect this rule, just let them be, I would say. If they get no reaction they wil stop and disapear, right?

About reading the rules. Many people who can read can't understand what they read. others simply don't read. Even by dangerous products of wich everybody knows one should read the instructions before using, people don't, which causes them many otherwise easily avoidable hazards. Conclusion between the willing and the unwilling you have to count with the unable.

About men being able and getting the oportunity to write in the Ladies forum, please let them do it. As long as their intentions are good they should get the chance to do it.

Men many times relate very goed to women's points of view and feelings but don't have enough chances to show it on everyday life.

As for myself I value the opinions and feelings of men as good as those of women. In fact mostly they have a way of looking at things that I find refreshing and practical.

It has been sometime since I last took a look at this site, but it looks as if I look it up every day.

The stories very often refer to me, my situation or even my feelings regarding many subjects. Only they are written by other women living in another continente and born in other countries.

Like for the ones of you living in thailand and liking it but stil missing your homeland, and even feeling guilty about it sometimes. Accept that this wil never change. Moving abroad for a longer time wil divide your hearth and soul in 2, and there is no way back, because home where you were born wil never be the same as when you leeft it, and maybe things don't change that much there, but you did change in a major way, so you wil look at everything with other eyes. I know this very well, and I only lived more than half of my life in another european country, with a rather similar culture and way of life than the one where I was born.

"You look at things not the way they are but the way you are"

somebody wrote and this is really true.

Then the age issue:

past 40 we really start looking back and wondering if the future should go in the same direction.For lots of people it becames the time of asking 'is this all there is?'

do we go on following traditions and the beaten path or do we go our own way finding a new fullfillment in life in a way that most people only dare dream of ?

Yes, because there are riscs to making choices. One is maybe not happy with wat he /she has/does but it doesn't mean stopping everything and going to a tropical country wil bring happiness. Sometimes it does, but along with some nieuw issues to deal with. like missing people with the same interests, or even other interests you can relate to in a regular basis. Not having to explain the way things go and people think where you came from, because you have a shared culture and way of life behind you.

I really intend to visit thailand next year, and who knows maybe I wil meet some of you.

until then take care.

anamore

it means "fun white chicks"

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Another way of saying "good time girls"?

It's a pity that quite some of the men writing in this site only think about sex. And even worse, they think it's about the only thing they can do with women.

This really did put me off after having written quite some time in this site.

Isn't there something as friendschip of relating to the other sex just for the sake of exchanging lifeexperiences, opinions, make jokes, have a good laugh, eat some, drink some, look each other in the eyes and appreciate one another? Maybe even feel attracted but doing nothing about it?

Iam talking to you fellows!

And don't think I am from another world. I work mainly with men in a big organisation and when I started working in the 80ths I was the only woman among 30 men. It took some time until they listened to me because I was also younger than most of them, but I saw it as a challange, to win their confidence and listening ear.I loved their compliments about my looks but also the way we could talk about all matters and learn from each other. Now a days everybody agrees that working together using the different skills of both men and women results in a better workclimate and output.

This year I might go to Thailand again for a couple of weeks. And no, not for the sex, 'cause I have a happy home together with my soulmate for already a long time and I won't put this treasure in danger for anything/anyone else.

Still I am open for meeting men and women travelling/living there, but only the ones who understand what I mean/write above.

greetings 4 all.

Nice plan to go from europe to asia by car. It tastes like adventure and I would love to do it as well, but besides the visa regulations and the safetyprobleems I see something else happening : your BMW wil not look so nice anymore when you arrive at the village of your gf. So don't do it for the car doe it for the adventure, but doe it safe .

Better would be to find more people with the same plan and travel together with 3 or more cars. Bij cars I mean 4 weel drive models landrover, hummer, whatever or trucks with enough spare parts and knowledge of mechanics to take care of reparations. I also would take a gps systeem to find the way around and to stay connected with people at home/destination/authorities whatever.

Getting in the hands of bandits somewhere on the way to be traded for guns of for terrorists in prison or for money is not what you want to experience.

But despise everything I would say dare or die. go for it.

Well Thaihome I think you can't compare the situation I describe with the colonisation of north america. In fact if europeans wouldn't have emigrated there would be no USA.

I think the native americans (the indians) would have build a very different country. And it started more than 200 years ago with people who wanted to build a new life in a piece of earth that was (quite) untoutched and wanted to work for it no matter how hard.

They build the fundaments of what the country is today. From politics to religion, from art to arquitecture most of it came from europe.Hispanics and Asiatics came much later in the picture and influenced what already was established by the pioniers.

I think that being American is more than having a passpoort and a certain skincolour. It's a feeling of being part of a country in the world that's a world in itself, and this world (USA) is not easy to catch in a description.

don't worry about what someone says to the pappers. Between law and real life there is a big space.

as to the ones who think some health probleems are from the middle ages wake up.

polio exists in Asia and Africa. Leprosy exists in Asia and Africa. Tuberculosis is in every continent and sometimes found in Europe. Carriers are mostly foreigners or have been abroad for some time

And HIV is everywhere.

But at this moment thaigovernment should care about the chickens who are dying all over the place

without wanting to discuss why visas have to stay I just want to share what I watched on tv last evening:

a group of refugees from Somalia where getting prepared to what they would find upon arrival in the USA where they where going to live after having been granted a 5 year visa followd by an american passport.

What kind of preparations do you think where made: language, culture and ways of life? None of it. This people who have lived without food and roof for over some years, no writing reading or other skills where told how to use a sink, a toilet, the flush from the toilet, money: how to exchange it for goods and all kind of other things, all of it basics.

Their arrival in America was a cultureclash. the streets the cars the supermarket the life. It was another world.

At the super they spent 175 dollars. this much money the couple had never earned before. It was like a fortune.

I thought despise the good intentions that it is a bad move to change people from the one to the other side of the world. They never get used to it and their children with an history of relocations and war are already too old to start again.

the people from inner africa who came to europe didn't integrate they remain outsiders and users of the welfarebenefits. This being the nice option because often they just make carreer on crime next to getting welfare.

This also goes for many people from other countries who think you can be rich in europe without doing nothing.

Even when visas wouldn't be needeed anymore most people would not travel just because they barely survive, they have no money and no chances for whatever.

sad but true.

As to disasters and revolutions there are quite some everyday around the world now as before. but mostly it's a turn around and start again om the same path.

A couple of years ago I wouldn't dare to say this but reality is around and only the blind don't see it.

back to Blue Your question if marriage makes a difference in a relationship.

If things don't work good between 2 people don't think about marriage as a solution because it wil only get worse. It makes me think about people who make a baby to save the relation and split up afterwards.

Being together has to do with love and understanding. I think you love someone because you understand her/him but sometimes it's just the other way around. You understand him/her or try to because you love her/him.

And it has to do with feeling good when you are together. It's like the one you love is home, heaven and earth together, no matter where you are.

for the matters of daily life it doesn't matter if you are married or not. But sometimes people tend to take it for granted just because they are married. they loose respect and concern for the one they are with, they forget romance and tenderness, they forget to make a compliment to the partner, they forget to seduce and to be seduced. They take and take never wait to receive and it's never enough. giving becames difficult and rare.And then... one day... you discover you are sharing your life with a stranger. Don't let it happen to you.

one of you fellows with more experience in the thai culture should write something about ducks.

I don't know all of it but when matters get bad the most farang men in this site just warn the fellow who is having trouble with his gf to watch out for the ducks.

what a stupid thing to say that children in thailand have more respect than children abroad.

I remenber this woord respect when i was growing up. But it wasn't a genuine feeling. It was fear of breaking the rules in a conservatieve surrounding. Later when I was not depending om my parents anymore and had my own life i learned that I really respected them. It was respect based om love and admiration for the way they where. that same feeling I had for some of my teachers. But for the most of them I was just afraid they would give me bad marks if i would say what I thought.

And thai society is in it's division between higher than... and lower than... and depending from... and depending upon... the kind of society in wich you never know if people do something for real or just because they can't do any other way without suffering for it.

As to children and their behaviour they just reflect what they see/saw during their young years. I blame the parents (even thou we know that some children can get of the good path even with the beste parents, but these are exceptions).

For lots of jobs you need to learn and get diploma's but odd enough to became a parent you just have to get a child. And some people get children as if they where the last piece needeed to compleet the home furnishing.

the children are left up to themselves and to caretakers who don't care. parents don't spend time giving love and guidance. But children are not good or bad by nature. Nurture is needeed.

Some of you can only talk about PUNISHMENT, but that is no solution. A child just like every adult needs love and tenderness, positive attention and people who believe in him/her, even when everything is going wrong, then even more I would say.

selfconfidence and a place in the world is something we all need and younger people even more, because their world changes constantly and they don't have the certainties older people have. They also need examples not sermons, and understanding not agressivity. If they get the good things from the parents and sorrunding they will also accept punishement and teachings,. But with negativity alone you can't make anything/anyone positive.

Also enough space to make some mistakes and learn from it is important.

where did I get this? life and experience have thaught me a lot and my 3 kids in their twenties who love their parents and say we did a good job. Even their friends always enjoyed being around in our home and talk about things they wouldn't dare to talk with their parents. From all of them I have learned many things even now I stil do.

You are right George. I saw 2 elephants in bkk, in the middle of the city.

It was a sad sight.

Because of economical development or due to lack of it nature is doomed to disappear and this goes for it's inhabitants as well.

Even in thailand is difficult to find a place where you don't hear noise of cars of other machines.

When I find a place where I can listen to the silence or to the noises of nature I feel as if something extraordinary is happening. It's nearly to be compared to a religious experience. I live in a smal city but I love the nature.

We are not only making life impossible for many animal species and plants but we are also making the future of mankind very fragile, by destroying the natural sources of the earth.

I wish thailand would look at the mistakes made in other continents to learn from it, but I think the country is developing very fast and not paying enough attention to environmental issues.

I think of thailand as a wonderfull country and this goes for the people as well, but the feeling one has while on holiday is very different from the feeling one gets after living there for a while.

I even got to feel lonely being there 3 weeks, when I went around 3 days without having a nice talk with a foreigner things started getting difficult. The same with TV. One late evening I couldn't sleep and wanted to watch tv, but it was all strange to me.

I met some very nice thai people but Ican't speak thai and their english is very basic so comunication would be superficial.

The weather is also not easy when you are not used to it. The heat worns me out and at night in the north of the country it gets so cold that you think you have fever.

I am still very curious and eager to learn more about the thai culture and the thai people but I would like to learn it from the thai people and not from books written by foreigners.

I admire the people and the country and will never forget the experiences there. Being back home I realize there is only one world ( one planet earth) but we all live in different ones. Every day is just a copy of the day before: you work you eat you make the same way to your job and to the supermarket, you read the paper and watch the news. In the evening you lay on the sofa, read a book watch tv, seat behind your fast computer, electricity and water always work, you can seat on your toilet with runing water and paper. Sometimes you get fed up with the routine and you decide to go somewhere else to have a look, but after some weeks without duties and nothing usefull to do and no people to relate to om a regular basis I start loosing myself. I just need to belong somewhere. that's all.

Friends and relatives are very importante and to have some work to do is also important. I want to be apart of the world I live in.

In thailand is not easy to achieve that. And I think thai people relly never feel at home in europe. It is cold here and people are distant and not concerned about others the way you see it in thailand. The warmth of friendschip and familyties and even the way children play with each other with so much joy, I miss it here where I live.

I bought some carved wood in thailand. A couple of pieces have spots that get loose like powder or very little pieces. The wood is not finished with any product. It could be teakwood.i t's light from colour and soft. I am talking about carved panels to hang om the wall.

Because I have a oakfloor and wood furnitures I have to be careful not to get any woodpredators in my home. Does anyone have any wise advice about this probleem?

Also what is the beste for the wood to wax or oil it or to varnish?

thanks for any advice.

The Cannes festival is very much of a film fashion happening in my opinion not very intellectual. It's just the mood of the moment. Moore has also got admirers in the usa. His work is something halfway between a film /fiction and documentary/reality. He mixes both to bring his message over. No problem as long as beforehand people get informed about what is reality and what is mise en scene (acted). You can watch it, you don't have to agree with it.

Bush's political decisions have caused more trouble and expenses than he ever thought. Not only for the usa but also for europe. As far as I know americans didn't/don't have the freedom to criticise his politics as they were used to do with former presidents. the media still wants the people to believe what politicians think it's better, but that is not the way freedom of opinion and speach works.

Some weeks ago in thailand I meet 2 american women travelling around just like I was doing. We were 4 days together and we had a good time.

They where afraid of going thru anti american experiences in thailand. they thought of europe as being antiamerican at this moment but I told them they could came to europe without being afraid. I would stand up for them if someone would do ugly because of their american passport . We enjoyed meeting and talking about their and my country. The americans I met in my life where just nice people and concerned about worldpeace and wellbeing as anyone else. Anti americanisme is just stupid. people are people we meet and learn from each other thru listening and sharing experiences and opinions. This is the way it should be.

Many people think about stopping with work and going to live in thailand, their savings being enough to have a good life. I would say get down to earth and think seriously before you start.

consider inflaction, money devaluation, your civil rights in a strange country, the years you have to go, the ones you are responsable for or could be in the future. How you want to use your time and life, what rol do you want to play? sightseeing is nice for a time but boring and useless as lifefulfillment.

when you are young and healthy maybe you think you can live with less money, but is thailand still a paradise if you have lack of money?

From my experience I can say that 40 thousand bath isn't enough for a month but for 2 weeks. Unless one thinks about getting that rich feeling from comparing your situation with the situation of the poor people around. But they have connections , family and friends and most of all are used to live that way.

A good level of life with good ensurance for healthcare also costs money in thailand. Well less than europe, but what you save you spend om planetickets to go back once or twice a year to your homeland. Otherwise it looks like exile.

This site gets so much response because western people miss the connection with their background and other western people. Thailand doesn't have it all. All places have their dis/advantages.

And what about paying taxes in thailand? nobody writes about it. Do people only think about their personal profit/benefits without being concerned about what they should/could do for their new country? It looks quite selfish and anti-social to me.

And please no story about contributing by giving money to the thai girl and her family. Charity doesn't solve the people's or the land's problems and it doesn't mean participating in the developement of thai society. It's egoinflating for the giver and not much more than that.

greetings to all

music and memories both go together very well because we seem to be able to recall music much easier than other remenbrances.

WOODSTOCK: I remenber 1974 watching it on the cinema in Lisbon. What a freedom had those american fellows and the police and the maire everybody helping to make it possible. It was just a new world opening up to young people in europe.

Looking back that was like a battlefield but not like Waterloo or something else. There was no war. Young people were ready for a change but they didn't want it by war. It was all about love and peace. And lot's of herb of course.

As to music: all the groups in europe wanted to rock en roll in english and as soon as possible go to the USA to conquer the world. Because if you would make it there you would make it every/anywhere (just like Sinatra sings in NY). The americans thought about the same and came to europe.

Probably the 60 and the 70 were the only decades in which youth around the world had the most in commom. the media papers and Tv was growing and we were curious and got to know each other. The first young people started travelling with their backpack.

Around 1978 I meet the first Australians,Americans and New Zeelanders in Europe. There were no books about travelling. The worldmap was the only thing. The most went to London and bought a volkswagenvan to go around for one year. I thought of them as being heroes. Mostly they were ready with the study and wanted to know the world before getting tieddown by jobs and family. Somewhere in the 80 all of it was finished.young people became very materiaal and the first economical crash came in 1983.

Freedom and peace where things every young persoon wanted in the 60 and 70 and the anti war movement was very strong, even the civil rights movement in the usa was known by me.

To these days american rock music and ballads from those days stil remain my favourits along with some english music. I loved to listen to the lirics until I would understand it all. There was commitment to a better world or against the bad things in the one we lived. And there were the songs you couldn't understand because as I learned later the makers were under influence when they wrote them. example:Lucy in the sky with diamonds!

Close to home (mainland europe) there was very little music that made a longlasting impression.english and americans had taken over!

greetings

ana

note: I am 45 I remenber a lot and I lived very conscious all the changes in the past.

Yes, after turning against our elders in our late teens and early tweenties, we later get close to them and learn to understand they wanted the beste for us and did what they could.

THis happens around the time we became parents ourselves. At the same time we start noticing that we handle our children in the same way as our parents did us.

Even later we notice that our children sound like we used to when they talk to us and try to paternize mom and dad who now want to do something new and enjoy freedom after more than 20 years of bringing up kids.

There is nothing wrong with growing older.the other option is death.

Aging gracefully means:

be yourself no matter what others say,

time has learned you to relativate things, so don't worry anymore about stupid things;

don't dress old but don't dress as if you were 20;This goes also for make-up

try to understand your children and stay in touch with them, they need you more than they say;

don't became dad when you are old enough to be granddad;

take care of your health as it is the only thingthat can make your old day ######;

invest in a relationship with someone who knows and understands you and takes you as you are;

be mild in your judgements and help young people as you can. Their parents are mostly hard but you know what they both don't by own experience.

BKK seems very interesting, but I had a hard time with the airpollution. My eyes got infected, my nostrils were bleeding and headache was terrible, all of it within 2 days from arrival.

I never saw so much traffic stuck everywhere, going around kosts lots of time and at after half day it looks like you wearing the clothes of a miner. The filth is black and even your skin needs to be cleaned up with special care.

I would take Phuket.

note: my experience is from holiday, living there must be much worse!

wish you luck and wisdom

I know London and Copenhagen and I don't think those places are that dangerous.

Or one must be envolved in the underworld. Sometimes people make big money in illegal business or without consentment of the rulers of the underworld and them they have to disappear (to Asia for instance) otherwhise they get caught by the law that rules the underworld: the law of the strongest or just by the police of the IRS. By the first one is dead what you can expect, by the other jail and/or a fine

And don't tell me bkk is safer or thailand is safer. There the law of the strongest, read the law of the reachest, read the law of the one with the most influence and friends is exercised everywhere on all levels of society by the same persoons/ powers that should protect the people's rights. And thai people just shake their shoulders when they talk about it: It has always been that way. The king and his wife are the only ones everybody talks about as being good parents to the thai people

Some of the western underworld figures are walking around there: Low profile enjoying the revenues of crime. Or washing up their money in some lousy business.

I saw some of them. I don't know those people and maybe prejudice is playing but by some people you just know the moment you look at them that they haven't had a regular job for long time, neither did they pay incometaxes.

It can also happen that you are about your own bussiness and you get hit by a bullet meant for someone else. But that can happen everywhere. Just be good do good and please the buda's with nice gifts. A good karma is always helpfull.

There are so many things to be amazed at/about in Thailand in both positive and negative maner.

But the things you name are none of your business and don't affect you in any way, so:

Let people be and do their own way. It's their money and their life.

the 20kg lugage applies to all companys.

What happens with overweight seems to be up to the persoon doing the chek-in and the company you fly with.

Sample:

mei 27th from bkk to amsterdam with China airlines (taiwan) I had on my own 55kg luggage. The company allows 5 kg extra, the lady from the check-in offered to charge me for 10 kg extra. That was 10 thousand bath/ about 200 euro. I right away agreed and thanked her. handluggage can be maximum 7 kg, but with 3 pieces heavy loaded I guess I had 25 kg. But this was quite compact an nobody asked about it. But what can one do? Thailand has beautiful things to buy and 20 kg is not much.

other sample:

december 26th from amsterdam to lisbon with dutch airlines KLM. I had 4 kilos above the 20 and I had to pay 98 euros.

the same travel with portuguese airlines 10 kg to much, the lady says to me: next time check the weight because we can't let you thru everytime.

check the cargoprices at bkk airport cargo dpt.

Hi fellows,

wel it's not so easy to internet when I am going around and at the end of the day I just want to relax and get some sleep. But now I am already 3 hours behind the computer at a internetshop.

My Goodness some of you really get upset very easy and some also draw conclusions based on .... nothing.

I am white but can't help it, just like thai have a than and can't help it. Together with this goes a background which nobody can deny, but that is not the issue. I respect people and behave in the beste way I can to adapt to the situations.

I try to get a look around and learn from others. Iam humble enough to do so, but can't help noticing some things. By the way Iam also getting a than.

Yes my klothes got ironed, but I learned that I beter go to the reception because the girls who clean and say yes to me, don't speak english even thou they want to.

and yes, I already had a good look at the thai abc but I guess Iam not intelligent enough to learn it that fast.

However I did write some sentences with the pronunciation in thai which has brought others to look very surprised at me sometimes bursting into laugh when I use then

I got some explanation about pronunciation from my thaiguide but I hardly can't believe that the way I speak out some words just turns them into bad language.

And yes I just wait, I never loose my temper and I only ask for little things people can do for me...

Well in fact Iam getting allong quite well and loving to enjoy this chance.

greetings to all of you wherever you are

anamore

Just arrived yesterday at bkk.

Going around with no knowledge of thailanguage should be possible as most of the people say yes when I ask if they speak english prior to start asking something else.

After telling what I want and making sure I explained myself well, and looking at the reactions of the persoon I talk with (sometimes more than one at the time) I am convinced that things are going to be done the way we just agreed.

But many times nothing happens, and when I go and ask again they smile and say yes and sometimes a couple of words more and eventually something happens. But sometimes still nothing happens.

Example: today I waited 4 hours to have some clothes ironed at the hotel, and I talked with 7 different people before it happened. At the same time I discovered that quick is a word meaning something else and one hour doesn't have 60 minuts but at least 90.

This goes also for internetconnections hier at the hotel as well. This is very slow, Iam used to advanced adsl and a good computer. But I guess the heating here also affects elektronica and communications.

I guess I have to get used to it and I will because everybody just smiles at me and I am really convinced that they want to do it right, they only aren't sure about what.

Or could it be that I am not that good communicating?

Hi Nina/fellows,

My Godness, I arrived yesterday morning in BKk, the first time for 3 weeks round trip in thailand.

I tell you, femenisme doesn't exist here. Women's life as you see om the street is quite different.

At the break you see the office people going around in groups girls with girls and men with men.

Om the streets lots of girls, they all look very young, slim and childlike in groups trying to get the attention of the foreigner men coming along.

At night even more.

I went with a europeanfellow who already lives long time in Bkk and who doesn't look up from all of this. I meet him thru thaivisa

For me it's a culture clash. Reading and hearing about it is not the same as seeing it all. He knows lots of people around, and girls as well and they all want to know what's up. They look me right om my eyes and I can't help but liking them right away just for the friendly smile. Who am I to say what they ought to do?

I think I have to be humble and be happy that I have always had a choice about what to do with my body and life, because I wouldn't survive living their life after being brought up the way I was. I am not streetwise enough to fight for my existence. Especially when I look at the foreigner men who go around with or without a young girl having an life experience they couldn't get in the western world. Most of them are not a woman's cup of thee. And them Iam not only refering to phisical looks.

It's sad in many ways to look at the way life works here.

I agree with Drewcifer. Around 1980 I heard and red for the first time about american feminisme or women's liberation. There had been demonstrations in rather big city's and the young women were screaming 'come on ma burn your bra', along with other things giving expression to their feelings about woman's rol in society.

At that time I was 20 years old and living in Lisbon, where I was born. This whole issue was very strange to me. I also didn't see men as opponents or as the ones to be held responsible for the situation of women. I thought :if something has to be changed than it has to be done together. And being a student at university and before that at high shool I was very aware of the political and social issues at that time but nobody saw problems as a men versus women question.

A couple of years later I moved to Holland and discovered the feministemovement.

the radicalisme of their thoughts hoewer has made it impossible for me to identify with the movement. At the same time comparing the way people lived in both countries and the relations between the sexes I had to came to the conclusion that even thou feminisme in south europe didn't play a rol in politics women were already longer time busy finding more equality and possibilities in and outside their homes. My coworkers thought often that I wasn't 'liberated'. But I would say wel I don't talk so much about it as you are used to hear but I just do it. And in fact at home and at work I always managed to get ahead not by being radical but just by doing the things that I thought I could do and by convincing others that that the beste was for us all. In fact not a revolution,but an evolution and I even got the men around me to help me most of the times . I think my way of looking at feminisme is still strongly influenced by the way I was educated. This will also go for Thailand I guess, they don't relate to it.

But feministes have got many issues in the political agenda and taken care that laws where changed and the startposition of women got beter. The people who are now 20 don't know anything about it but much has changed the last decades. But europe is not yet the place where women rule together with men. In fact they still earn less for the same work, are nearly never represented in the higher levels of industry, educational institutions of governmental ones. Have to do the shopping clean the house and take care of the kids after work,etc.

Nina I wish you well in bkk.

What a bunch of nuts, weirdos. I don't know what to call you.

In fact you don't even stick to the thread, so I had no reason to be so upset.

You can't discuss, talk in a normal way. Why not organize a meeting somewhere?

Just sort it out thru a nice fight man to man. It doesn't matter how you look, what you think that you think because some of you just don't think.

you just have to have the balls to do it. But you don't You just insult one another because there is no chance you can be hold responsable or get hit.

So I suggest youclose this thread and start another thread about the history of the middle finger greeting/insult. One of you was writing about it and Iam quite curious.

Do some good research follow the beste academic traditions and expose your theory.