Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

In the debate, everything she said.  She was not fact-checked on anything.   

the question was: which statements Kamala Harris made during the debate do you think needed fact-checking ?

the Russian agents are all about promoting "free speech" and everything, but when they face bans because of disinformation they get all upset at "fascist liberals".

Trump's friends and the Russians of course need to keep the "free speech" lies factory working. Musk's purchase of Twitter makes sense now, but now we also know what he is up to.

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

The West has finally declared war on Russian disinformation
Putin aims to discredit liberal democracy at home and abroad, and social media gave him a platform to do so

 

https://archive.is/BfEqh#selection-2347.0-2371.114

 

While Russian state media is no longer able to present the case against Ukraine to large audiences, it may not need to. An April 2024 CBS/YouGov poll showed that 61 per cent of Republicans, 50 per cent of Independents and 26 per cent of Democrats oppose sending military aid to Ukraine. Amongst Republicans, 56 per cent trust Ukraine-sceptic conservative media outlets as information sources about the war, while only 33 per cent trust war correspondents and 27 per cent trust the State Department.

yes, that's something I have been saying for years already.

Russian disinformation networks need to be silenced and their supporters (Musk, Tucker Carlson, corrupt Western influencers) reigned in.

I'm happy to see the West is finally taking steps against it.

The Russians have been at it for well over ten years already. It will stop now.

12 hours ago, johng said:

It is an extremely cunning plan...no doubt as mentioned above requires Russia to return all territory,pay reperations in perpetuity give upits nuclear arsenal and  burn the evil "Hitler Putin"in red square on worldwide TV as a deterrent to others who would threaten "The rules based world order"

your plan is a bit unrealistic, but it would be the right thing and very satisfying.

she's not wrong - but not right either to put it like that.

Bank of Russia increases the key rate by 100 bp to 19.00% p.a.
https://www.cbr.ru/eng/press/keypr/

So much for the claims that "Russia's economy is doing fine"

26 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

no, he said he wants people to stop dying, what on earth is wrong with that?? why does Ukraine or Russia have to "win'  such and outdated mentality. none of you on this thread have ever called for peace, i thought the left or liberals were anti war?

I for one have called for peace many times, that Putin leaves Ukraine and that the war stops.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

To this day, there is no definitive answer as to how and who poisoned Yushchenko

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/03/01/viktor-yuschenko-former-ukrainian-president-poison/9333605002/

 

Suspicions are one thing. Evidence is another.

the suspects have been given Russian passports and are living in Russia.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

That was a grave mistake. If you are neighbour of America you have to consider American interests. If you are a neighbour of Russia you have to consider Russian interests. Ukraine can't poke Russia in the eye with a stick and then complain when the bear comes raging.

Ukraine didn't poke anyone.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

How do you get away with spreading this misinformation? 

 

Yushchenko himself implicated Davyd Zhvania, the godfather of one of his children, of involvement in his dioxin poisoning. Zhvania is Ukrainian. 

 

There is no real evidence Russia poisoned Yanukovich.

On 27 September 2009, Yushchenko said in an interview aired on Channel 1+1 that the testimony of three men who were at a dinner in 2004 at which he believes he was poisoned is crucial to finishing the investigation, and he claimed these men were in Russia. Ukrainian prosecutors said Russia has refused to extradite one of the men, the former deputy chief of Ukraine's security service, Volodymyr Satsyuk, because he holds both Russian and Ukrainian citizenship.^[24] Satsyuk returned to Ukraine in 2012 and tried to relaunch his political career, but did not succeed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

That didn't help, the Ukraine making flirty eyes at America, but without enablement from NATO it would mean little. Only in 2008 when NATO delcared at Bucharest that Ukraine WILL become a member was it clear where the train was heading. Then America's shameless Lybia intervention convinced Putin to come back as President, as he understood the Americans were not just liars, but dangerous liars. Only then did Crimea etc happen.

no, it simply meant Ukraine was going to seek protection from Putin's crimes. Putin brought it onto himself by trying to stop the inevitable : Ukrainian people wanted to join Western Europe and its culture and prosperity. Evro-Standard. Paniatna ?

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

You are unware of political develolpments. In 2008 NATO at the Bucharest conference had declared that Ukraine would become a NATO member. Only after this announcement and America's intervention in Lybia did it become clear to Russia that Americans were not just liars. They were dangerous liars.

 

Of course Russia would not accept a pro-American Ukraine. Just like the US would not accept Russian missiles in Cuba. Again, it's called national security.

in 2004, Russia poisoned presidential candidate Yushchenko and rigged the vote in favour of Yanukovich.

and you thought after that the people of Ukraine would still be favourable to Russia ?

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Not at all. It only started after 2008 when NATO made clear at the Bucharest conference that Ukraine will join NATO. That and America's intervention in Lybia in 2011 convinced Putin that the Americans were not just liars, they were dangerous liars.

 

Putin would not have touched Ukraine, had it not declared its undying love for America and the EU and thrown its wet panties at them. Only when it became clear that Ukraine would be a pro American, anti-Russian problem, was the invasion of Crimea started.

As usual you are full of it.

It started not very long before the Orange revolution (2004). Yushchenko was poisoned the same year by his own security forced paid by Russia.

I was there.

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Except the war was not "unncessary" after the West had expanded NATO. For decades Russia had implored the west that expanding NATO beyond Ukraine is a line in the sand. Russia was lied to and deceived. Russia can no more tolerate a pro American nuclear Ukraine as part of NATO than the US could tolerate Russia missiles in Cuba. It's called national security. 

 

Western politicians knew this, and yet pressed on with NATO enlargement regardless. Many cold war warriors warned of the potential consequences. 

Ever since Putin came to power in Russia, he has been trying to subjugate Ukraine, to dominate it, to control Ukraine's destiny, despite it being a sovereign independent state.

Putin committed many crimes against Ukraine and even more were committed on his orders.

Ex-Soviet states suffered a lot already under the Soviets, so it's understandable that they wanted to join the EU and NATO, but since Putin is in power, that wish for protection against Putin has increased at an accelerated rate. Putin is NATO's best recruiter.

24 minutes ago, VBer said:

Somehow media forgetting to mention that it was residential buildings being hit, and the one who is dead is 46year old woman who just stayed in her apartment.

What do you mean, media forgets to mention it ?

can you please stop with the lies ?