SinghaJoe

Sorry for having been absent from this thread for a while - it seemed like it was going to die, but I see it alive and well.

So I did some more debugging. I am working on a very large Java Applet which simply doesn't work on Ubuntu. It turns out that the bug that's causing this had been reported to Sun in 2006 (!!) and hasn't been fixed. I don't think it's fixed in the OpenJDK version but I was unable to try because OpenJDK simply didn't work. I Could hardly believe it but I Googled a bit and it turns out that Applets and/or signed Applet might just not work under Ubuntu 9.10. So there.

Taking your word for truth, this is Sun being lazy not Ubuntu being a joke.

And if you need OpenJDK working perhaps Ubuntu just doesn't suit your need. That's far off from Ubuntu being a joke, I dare to say

After hours spent on the command line, and trying three different Java installs, I am more convinced than ever that Ubuntu is indeed a joke. Installing software seems to be an impossibility. There's tools to make it "easy" - two different ones. And you can circumvent it all and do it by hand. Wow. When it comes to usability, quite often, choice is a bad thing.

That last sentence is the real joke: Ubuntu has a centralized and automatic management of system upgrade I.E. not just the OS but every application in your system is automatically updated.

For example, there's about 4 different locations where browser plug-ins may reside. It's all such a mess, it's hard to believe.

There is the Ubuntu Software Manager. It's "easy". Select what you want and install. Except when what you want doesn't show up in the packages. Then you are screwed. Sun Java is on version 6u15 in the package manager. The latest version contains very important fixes, and is 6u19 - that's 4 official releases further. How is a normal person who is not a Java developer supposed to know this?

Internet is a great tool, didn't you know? And Ubuntu has a very large community, perhaps the largest in the linux world

What do I like about living in Pattaya...let me count the ways:

1. Accommodation (renting or buying) is quite cheap compared to most places "back home."

2. Food (either grocery shopping or restaurants is pretty cheap and good quality and restaurant dek-serves are friendly and happy with 5-10% tips (not 15-20% in "civilized" countries.

3. Resort/beach city ambiance and weather (I don't mind hot...as long as there's air-con when inside).

4. Proximity to Bangkok and its cultural offerings (concerts, lectures, shows, and again food) only 2 hours away; also an international airport for world-wide travel.

5. Thai people being generally friendly and easy-going hosts.

6. Very good shopping options for city its [small] size (2 Lotus, 3-4 Big C's, Carrefour, Central Beach[!], Tuk-Com, and lots of small shops to fill any need.

7. Made lots of new expatriate friends who are nice people and not stressed out freaks with a fat-wife and fat-mortgage driving them into the ground.

8. Can drive anyway I want to on the road and not have to worry about a copper hiding behind every light or stop-sign waiting to give me a $200.00 ticket for not signaling during a lane change

9. Relatively low tax burden and none of my tax money going to support welfare state loafers or over-breeding mothers or millions of illegal immigrants in the country.

10. Personal philosophy (atheism) is fairly compatible with the prevailing Buddhist mores of Thailand and there are very few Jesus, Moses, or Mohammad freaks to have to contend with!

If I think of any more, I'll let you know

I second every single point, and I add:

11. Living in a villa on the Dark Side it's quiet like in the countryside though you're just 10 minutes by scooter from one of the Asia's busiest resort city.

12. You can live a sober and restrained family life as well as a total depraved and debauched life: it's just up to you

hello folks,

I am stuck in Brescia, (Northern) Italy now but i'm moving to Pattaya, Thailand pretty soon. I have a gf so don't think bad of me . Thanks for providing such a huge amount of contacts and informations on this great board.

Oh, and I like Singha beer if you ask me