Internet Reliability, Latency And Infrastructure

[rambling]

Hi all,

I've been a silent reader for some time now and as the prospects of moving to Bangkok are becoming more and more concrete I'm starting to look at a host of things I need to learn about. One of which is the internet connection in Bangkok.

My work requires excellent internet connectivity, particularily in terms of low latency levels to the USA and also high reliability. My question therefore is whether anyone has had any experience with connection quality in that respect, which type of connection would you recommend - Cable? ADSL? Any particular ISP? How much would top of the line residential connection cost? Are all ISP's on the same internet backbone? I'm onsidering getting 2 connections with 1 of them for backup on another, completely diferent infrastructure if possible.

Thanks for your advice.

Rambling

[DtingDtong]

Would also be thankful for some reliable information regarding this. Lived in thailand for a while, and not even the greatest hotels in Bangkok is able to offer a stable connection. Slow, downtime occured frequently. Funny thing is, they say you get a 5Mbit line, but the truth is the whole hotel share that line. But im more interested in a solution for an apartment in Bkk this time.

[monty]

Both of you will probably be sorely disappointed!

As Rambling probably kind of suspected, all internet traffic, regardless of ISP or medium (adsl, cable, sat) goes through the same backbone.

Basically the CAT (Communications Authority of Thailand) holds a de-facto monopoly on international bandwidth. Legally they don't hold that monopoly anymore, but apart from the biggest ISP's, new international gateways are not being implemented!

Then there is the problem that the Thai government actively censors the internet, requiring every ISP to route the traffic through additional routers to comply with the government demands. This introduces additional hops and delays, and often strange routing problems...

As to low latency to the USA, ADSL is your best hope, forget about satellite. Nothing to do with slow or badlu configured systems, but simply with the distance the signals have to travel. Satellites are 36,000km above the earth, so a pinged packet has to travel at least 144,000 km just to the gateway in Bangkok. Even at the speed of light this takes time!

On ADSL between 200 and 300 msec to the US is as good as it will get, again the physical distance to the US (which is roughly on the other side of the globe, so we can't be further away from them) is the main cause.

Regarding speed, again the monopoly rears it's ugly head. The CAT sells it's international bandwidth at a highly inflated price to the ISP's (currently 24000 Baht/month for 1 mbps).

So for the ISP's to be viable businesswise, they will set very high contention ratio's on the domestic packages.

Expect sharing ratio's of up to 50:1 on your standard homepackage. Peak time speeds can drop to lower then dial-up, even on a 1mbps package!

To get any resemblance of reliable speed you'll have to move up to the business packages, at a substantial price.

I have Maxnet (not available in Bangkok, only upcountry and on a TT&T phoneline) where I pay 1600 Baht/month for 256/128 speeds. Currently up to 2mbps/512 is available at 5350 Baht/month, if you live close enough to the phone exchange.

This package is shared on a 10:1 ratio, giving in my case reasonable reliable speeds of between 50 and 85% of rated speeds.

Total loss of connection happens on average once or twice per month for seldom more then 15 minutes...

If almost total reliability, low latency and pretty much guaranteed speed is needed, a 2mbps/512kbps business package will set you back close to 30,000 Baht/month!!! Welcome to the world of government monopolies

http://www.maxnet.co.th/product_Biz.php

And even on that package your traffic will go through the CAT IIG (International Internet Gateway) where actually the majority of the problems originate if the internet grinds to a halt in Thailand. Can't really blame the ISP for that...

Check out following detailed map of internet connectivity in Thailand:

http://202.44.204.43/internetmap/view.php?...etmap062007.gif

As you can see there are currently 4 IIG's. The one from CAT, one from TOT, one from True and one from ADC.

The TOT IIG is currently not used (no idea why!), the ADC IIG seems to very small with only 465 mbps of which only 155 mbps is straight to the US, the biggest private one is the True IIG (True is the biggest ISP in Thailand), but I have not heard many good things about True, they are the king of the very cheap broadband packages, none of which even comes close to promised speeds...

All the other ISP's route through the government CAT gateway, apart from some small direct backup international connections the bigger ISP's have...

[george]

Thanks, Monty. Interesting.

How do you know that TOT IIG is currently not used?

[monty]

Never 100% sure G

Just looking at the map (June 2007) I don't see a link between TOT ISP (which I guess is their ADSL/Dial up/iPSTAR arm) and their IIG.

In fact nothing is connected yet to the TOT IIG apart from the 2.6Gb international bandwidth...

I faintly recall TOT being in a quarrel with CAT about this gateway...

What are your tracert's saying? Because according to the map TOT ISP only has 300M straight to Singapore and 605M to the Cat IIG. The pacific internet Sing link should be pretty good for TV though

It's a petty both my GPRS connections don't allow tracerts, because TV is pretty fast loading. On the map neither AIS or Dtac show up as an ISP, so anybody's guess how their traffic is routed without being able to do a tracert...

TT&T Maxnet routs always through the CAT when accessing TV, although they have a direct 155M link to VSNL in Singapore...

[george]

This is from a TOT Ipstar 2M/1M corporate subscription. I apparently connect through Starhub, which is directly interlinked with Equinix hub in Sinagpore. We are in their data center. http://www.equinix.com/prod_serv_asia/singapore/

Tracing route to thaivisa.com [203.174.84.82]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

 1	<1 ms	<1 ms	<1 ms  ROUTER [192.168.xxx.xx]
 2	 1 ms	 1 ms	 1 ms  203-113-110-xxx.totisp.net [203.113.110.xxx]
 3  1417 ms   856 ms   695 ms  192.168.1.41
 4  1095 ms  1445 ms  1156 ms  192.168.100.49
 5  1253 ms  1077 ms  1074 ms  192.168.100.18
 6  1016 ms  1151 ms  1180 ms  203.113.24.1
 7   751 ms   945 ms   884 ms  ge9-3.cs2-cwt.totisp.net [203.113.13.145]
 8  1199 ms  1376 ms  1700 ms  vl101.cs1-cwt.totisp.net [203.113.13.126]
 9   747 ms   670 ms  1060 ms  ge1-2.gw1-cwt.totisp.net [203.113.13.1]
10   842 ms   914 ms  1032 ms  61.19.10.1
11   789 ms   777 ms   662 ms  202.47.253.148
12  1229 ms   676 ms  1122 ms  202.47.252.230
13  1020 ms  1228 ms  1300 ms  pc2-an-ats-int02.starhub.net.sg [203.118.3.213]

14  1171 ms  1335 ms  1223 ms  203.117.6.210
15  1132 ms  1039 ms   989 ms  fe8-0-0.eqx.newmediaexpress.com [203.174.80.6]
16  1038 ms  1175 ms  1178 ms  thaivisa.com [203.174.84.82]

Trace complete.

[rambling]

Thanks very much for the reply, Monty.

I could probably live with about 300ms +/-50 or so. That's what I'm getting now from Singapore on Starhub Cable to the server I connect to in San Francisco (209.202.214.21). Singapore operates big brother type servers but I think it probably doesn't add that much and the bottleneck is as you mentioned the actual physical distance.

So I've narrowed it down to ADSL, probably a business package + backup in the form of different ISP/connection type, either dial up or GPRS or satellite (speed wouldn't matter much). And hopefully all this under 10K a month :-)

Are business packages available for residential addresses as well? Rented condo in Bkk.

Looking at http://www.cat.net.th/hinet/promotion.html for example I can see there's a

Premium

จาก Node ไม่เกิน 1-2 กิโลเมตร

and: Bizpaq LitePaq (ADSL)

Is this were contention ratios would be different? I don't assume they publish this openly?

You seem to really know your way in this, what would you go for if you were me?

Thanks again.

[monty]

Sorry, been out all day.

Believe it or not but I actually treated myself to a day off

George, your traffic is still passed through the CAT gateway, eventhough TOT ISP has a direct 300 meg connection to Singapore.

Just do a whois on the IP address of hop nr. 10, 11 and 12. There you have the CAT IIG sitting bang right between TOT ISP and Singapore's starhub...

So no, TOT's international's gateway 2.6gb is just sitting there idling away, and in the process probably costing heaps of tax payers money:(

Rambling, I would do the same as you are thinking about. A SME (=small business package) ADSL combined with some sort of back-up.

I have GPRS Edge as back-up, with simcards from two different providers (AIS and Dtac) standby. In my area both offer the Edge network offering speeds of up to 200+kbps, on any day either one of the sims will average around 100kbps...

Ping times on gprs to the US are around 700msec...

Having the GPRS standby costs next to nothing, 1 Baht/minute when not specifically subscribed, or as low as 5 Baht/hour when subscribing to a fixed amount of hours/month.

Your budget should give you very decent ADSL access for sure. A 2mbps giving you at least 50% of rated speed all the time should be possible...

I have however no experience of the Bangkok ISP's, my Maxnet is only available in the provinces.

[rambling]

Wow.. this doesn't look too good. This is what I'm getting from Singapore's Starhub Cable 12MBps.

Tracing route to thaivisa.com [203.174.84.82]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.2.1

2 59 ms 12 ms 10 ms 10.23.64.1

3 16 ms 10 ms 14 ms 172.20.23.65

4 15 ms 17 ms 10 ms 172.26.23.1

5 11 ms 12 ms 14 ms 172.20.8.233

6 12 ms 30 ms 15 ms 203.116.7.13

7 18 ms 15 ms 15 ms ge-starhub.newmediaexpress.com [203.116.9.122]

8 16 ms 15 ms 39 ms fe8-0-0.eqx.newmediaexpress.com [203.174.80.6]

9 16 ms 23 ms 23 ms thaivisa.com [203.174.84.82]

Trace complete.

Would you guys mind posting tracert to 209.202.214.24 ?

This is from a TOT Ipstar 2M/1M corporate subscription. I apparently connect through Starhub, which is directly interlinked with Equinix hub in Sinagpore. We are in their data center. http://www.equinix.com/prod_serv_asia/singapore/

Tracing route to thaivisa.com [203.174.84.82]
  over a maximum of 30 hops:

 1	<1 ms	<1 ms	<1 ms  ROUTER [192.168.xxx.xx]
 2	 1 ms	 1 ms	 1 ms  203-113-110-xxx.totisp.net [203.113.110.xxx]
 3  1417 ms   856 ms   695 ms  192.168.1.41
 4  1095 ms  1445 ms  1156 ms  192.168.100.49
 5  1253 ms  1077 ms  1074 ms  192.168.100.18
 6  1016 ms  1151 ms  1180 ms  203.113.24.1
 7   751 ms   945 ms   884 ms  ge9-3.cs2-cwt.totisp.net [203.113.13.145]
 8  1199 ms  1376 ms  1700 ms  vl101.cs1-cwt.totisp.net [203.113.13.126]
 9   747 ms   670 ms  1060 ms  ge1-2.gw1-cwt.totisp.net [203.113.13.1]
10   842 ms   914 ms  1032 ms  61.19.10.1
11   789 ms   777 ms   662 ms  202.47.253.148
12  1229 ms   676 ms  1122 ms  202.47.252.230
13  1020 ms  1228 ms  1300 ms  pc2-an-ats-int02.starhub.net.sg [203.118.3.213]

14  1171 ms  1335 ms  1223 ms  203.117.6.210
15  1132 ms  1039 ms   989 ms  fe8-0-0.eqx.newmediaexpress.com [203.174.80.6]
16  1038 ms  1175 ms  1178 ms  thaivisa.com [203.174.84.82]

  Trace complete.

[rambling]

Hope you had fun :-)

SME CAT plan it is then plus GRPS.

Cheers!

Sorry, been out all day.

Believe it or not but I actually treated myself to a day off

George, your traffic is still passed through the CAT gateway, eventhough TOT ISP has a direct 300 meg connection to Singapore.

Just do a whois on the IP address of hop nr. 10, 11 and 12. There you have the CAT IIG sitting bang right between TOT ISP and Singapore's starhub...

So no, TOT's international's gateway 2.6gb is just sitting there idling away, and in the process probably costing heaps of tax payers money:(

Rambling, I would do the same as you are thinking about. A SME (=small business package) ADSL combined with some sort of back-up.

I have GPRS Edge as back-up, with simcards from two different providers (AIS and Dtac) standby. In my area both offer the Edge network offering speeds of up to 200+kbps, on any day either one of the sims will average around 100kbps...

Ping times on gprs to the US are around 700msec...

Having the GPRS standby costs next to nothing, 1 Baht/minute when not specifically subscribed, or as low as 5 Baht/hour when subscribing to a fixed amount of hours/month.

Your budget should give you very decent ADSL access for sure. A 2mbps giving you at least 50% of rated speed all the time should be possible...

I have however no experience of the Bangkok ISP's, my Maxnet is only available in the provinces.

[dave_boo]

True 1024/512 Samut Prakarn Traceroute to www.thaivisa.com

traceroute to www.thaivisa.com (203.174.84.82), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1  * * *
2  ppp-124.120.238.1.revip2.asianet.co.th (124.120.238.1)  47.260 ms   47.091 m
s   43.453 ms
3  ppp-210.86.189.71.revip.asianet.co.th (210.86.189.71)  44.854 ms   42.953 ms
  41.824 ms
4  10.169.71.1 (10.169.71.1)  40.692 ms   38.844 ms   35.725 ms
5  * * *
6  61-90-133-238.static.asianet.co.th (61.90.133.238)  32.063 ms 61-90-132-86.s							   tatic.asianet.co.th (61.90.132.86)  33.629 ms 61-90-133-238.static.asianet.co.th								(61.90.133.238)  34.627 ms
7  61-90-133-237.static.asianet.co.th (61.90.133.237)  40.800 ms   20.349 ms								  38.702 ms
8  61-90-254-89.static.asianet.co.th (61.90.254.89)  40.893 ms   40.006 ms   38							   .383 ms
9  203-144-144-6.static.asianet.co.th (203.144.144.6)  115.695 ms   112.413 ms								  109.443 ms
10  TIG-Net28-1.trueinternetgateway.com (122.144.28.1)  36.300 ms   33.812 ms								  32.017 ms
11  SG-ICR-ANC1-26-210.trueinternetgateway.com (122.144.26.210)  61.301 ms   83.							   179 ms   85.887 ms
12  TIG-Net28-26.trueinternetgateway.com (122.144.28.26)  129.411 ms   131.773 m							   s   129.896 ms
13  pc2-an-ats-int02.starhub.net.sg (203.118.3.213)  127.536 ms   126.883 ms   1							   27.490 ms
14  203.117.6.210 (203.117.6.210)  129.992 ms   131.421 ms   132.857 ms
15  fe8-0-0.eqx.newmediaexpress.com (203.174.80.6)  89.555 ms   53.828 ms   58.0							   64 ms
16  thaivisa.com (203.174.84.82)  58.732 ms   60.269 ms   55.645 ms

Traceroute to 209.202.214.24

1  * * *
2  ppp-124.120.238.1.revip2.asianet.co.th (124.120.238.1)  39.481 ms   41.313 ms   38.724 ms
3  ppp-210.86.189.71.revip.asianet.co.th (210.86.189.71)  37.449 ms   35.917 ms   87.280 ms
4  10.169.71.1 (10.169.71.1)  89.213 ms   87.304 ms   86.222 ms
5  * * *
6  61-90-132-86.static.asianet.co.th (61.90.132.86)  84.232 ms 61-90-133-238.static.asianet.co.th (61.90.133.238)  83.401 ms 61-90-132-86.static.asianet.co.th (61.90.132.86)  83.939 ms
7  61-90-132-85.static.asianet.co.th (61.90.132.85)  70.091 ms   19.523 ms   20.867 ms
8  61-90-254-89.static.asianet.co.th (61.90.254.89)  23.000 ms   25.373 ms   38.793 ms
9  203-144-144-6.static.asianet.co.th (203.144.144.6)  50.980 ms   76.376 ms   73.261 ms
10  TIG-Net28-1.trueinternetgateway.com (122.144.28.1)  69.909 ms   69.797 ms   46.896 ms
11  TIG-Net26-210.trueinternetgateway.com (122.144.26.210)  274.992 ms   277.036 ms   275.789 ms
12  US-ICR-DC1-26-222.trueinternetgateway.com (122.144.26.222)  281.606 ms   278.123 ms   274.625 ms
13  GigabitEthernet3-0.IG3.PAO1.ALTER.NET (157.130.211.77)  271.448 ms   268.071 ms   344.843 ms
14  0.so-1-2-0.XL2.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.51.138)  344.209 ms   342.287 ms   341.644 ms
15  0.ge-3-0-0.XT2.SCL2.ALTER.NET (152.63.49.110)  345.858 ms   342.778 ms   339.476 ms
16  0.so-7-0-0.BR1.SCL2.ALTER.NET (152.63.57.101)  337.652 ms   335.309 ms   334.638 ms
17  cpr2-pos-9-0.sanjoseequinix.savvis.net (208.175.172.169)  285.240 ms   279.004 ms   310.810 ms
18  bhr2-pos-0-0.santaclarasc8.savvis.net (208.173.55.26)  312.718 ms   314.207 ms   313.360 ms
19  csr2-ve241.santaclarasc8.savvis.net (66.35.194.43)  311.390 ms   309.195 ms   308.244 ms
20  * * *
21  * * *
22  * * *
23  * * *
24  * * *
25  * * *
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[george]

Would you guys mind posting tracert to 209.202.214.24 ?

Here is tracert from TOT IPstar to 209.202.214.24

Tracing route to cc-04.sc8.finance.lycos.com [209.202.214.24]
over a maximum of 30 hops:


 3   797 ms   965 ms   630 ms  192.168.1.41
 4   805 ms   954 ms   767 ms  192.168.100.49
 5   875 ms   721 ms  1132 ms  192.168.100.18
 6   706 ms   762 ms   910 ms  203.113.24.1
 7   708 ms   758 ms   761 ms  ge9-3.cs2-cwt.totisp.net [203.113.13.145]
 8   925 ms   739 ms   786 ms  vl101.cs1-cwt.totisp.net [203.113.13.126]
 9   789 ms   671 ms   799 ms  te8-1.cs1-kkm.totisp.net [203.113.13.122]
10   717 ms   786 ms   857 ms  203.113.127.129
11  1460 ms  1110 ms  1179 ms  203.190.250.129
12   817 ms  1134 ms  1312 ms  203.190.250.33
13  1105 ms  1129 ms  1229 ms  pos4-0-0.mr01.sjo01.pccwbtn.net [63.218.7.73]
14   899 ms  1596 ms  1573 ms  cpr2-pos-3-0.sanjoseequinix.savvis.net [208.175.
172.18]
15  1543 ms  1256 ms  1095 ms  bhr2-pos-0-0.santaclarasc8.savvis.net [208.173.5
5.26]
16  1142 ms  1289 ms  1272 ms  csr1-ve241.santaclarasc8.savvis.net [66.35.194.4
2]
17  1388 ms  1125 ms  1028 ms  csr2-ve240.santaclarasc8.savvis.net [66.35.194.3
5]
18  1840 ms  1266 ms  1258 ms  66.35.215.98
19  1092 ms   955 ms  1225 ms  cc-04.sc8.finance.lycos.com [209.202.214.24]

Trace complete.

[monty]

The same tracert on Maxnet TT&T

1 9 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1

2 37 ms 37 ms 37 ms 10.122.20.249

3 36 ms 35 ms 37 ms 58.147.0.20

4 37 ms 37 ms 38 ms 10.122.20.254

5 39 ms 39 ms 38 ms 10.121.20.1

6 * * * Request timed out.

7 36 ms 39 ms 39 ms 58.147.0.51

8 40 ms 37 ms 39 ms 58.147.0.44

9 38 ms 37 ms 39 ms 203.156.187.150

10 264 ms 262 ms 261 ms 218.189.31.1

11 285 ms 280 ms 281 ms ae0-100.lax22.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.73.201]12 281 ms 282 ms 281 ms so-0-0-0.sjc11.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.80.89]

13 282 ms 282 ms 283 ms cpr1-ge-8-0.sanjoseequinix.savvis.net [208.173.5

3.133]

14 285 ms 281 ms 282 ms cpr2-pos-11-0.sanjoseequinix.savvis.net [208.175

.172.82]

15 281 ms 284 ms 284 ms bhr2-pos-0-0.santaclarasc8.savvis.net [208.173.5

5.26]

16 281 ms 284 ms 284 ms csr2-ve241.santaclarasc8.savvis.net [66.35.194.4

3]

17 286 ms 284 ms 289 ms 66.35.215.98

18 285 ms 284 ms 286 ms cc-04.sc8.finance.lycos.com [209.202.214.24]

Trace complete.

[rambling]

Appreciate everyone's replies. Huge variances in the results with TOT being the worst. Pity Maxnet isn't available in Bkk.

[monty]

George's TOT is a satellite link (iPSTAR)!

Hence the high ping times...

Normally most ADSL providers should give roughly the same ping times in Bangkok...

Just looked at the tracert of Dave Boo (True ADSL), and it looks like the True IIG (gateway) is even worse then the CAT one, ping times of almost 300 msec within Thailand indicates some serious slow routers there!

[rambling]

Ah! I see, important point :-)

George's TOT is a satellite link (iPSTAR)!

Hence the high ping times...

Normally most ADSL providers should give roughly the same ping times in Bangkok...

[dave_boo]

George's TOT is a satellite link (iPSTAR)!

Hence the high ping times...

Normally most ADSL providers should give roughly the same ping times in Bangkok...

Just looked at the tracert of Dave Boo (True ADSL), and it looks like the True IIG (gateway) is even worse then the CAT one, ping times of almost 300 msec within Thailand indicates some serious slow routers there!

Sure rub it in Monty! I keep Konversation (IRC client) open all the time. In the lower corner it gives me a piing to freenode that can very from anywhere from ~300ms to more than a whole second.

[sajal]

im on true 2500/512 adsl in bkk.

smells like the link goes directly from true to shingapore singapore.

[sajal@localhost ~]$ traceroute 203.174.84.82
traceroute to 203.174.84.82 (203.174.84.82), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1  ppp-58.8.XX.XX.revip2.asianet.co.th (58.8.XX.XX)  14.784 ms  16.466 ms  19.706 ms
2  ppp-210.86.189.26.revip.asianet.co.th (210.86.189.26)  21.452 ms  24.674 ms  26.423 ms
3  10.169.26.1 (10.169.26.1)  30.033 ms  32.086 ms  35.115 ms
4  * * *
5  58-97-4-42.static.asianet.co.th (58.97.4.42)  44.219 ms 58-97-4-46.static.asianet.co.th (58.97.4.46)  46.599 ms 58-97-4-42.static.asianet.co.th (58.97.4.42)  49.245 ms
6  58-97-4-45.static.asianet.co.th (58.97.4.45)  51.657 ms  20.105 ms  16.619 ms
7  61-91-99-221.static.asianet.co.th (61.91.99.221)  18.487 ms  20.384 ms  22.296 ms
8  203-144-144-6.static.asianet.co.th (203.144.144.6)  25.582 ms  27.722 ms  30.150 ms
9  TIG-Net28-1.trueinternetgateway.com (122.144.28.1)  32.807 ms  34.829 ms  37.517 ms
10  SG-ICR-ANC1-26-210.trueinternetgateway.com (122.144.26.210)  72.231 ms  74.052 ms  47.811 ms
11  TIG-Net28-26.trueinternetgateway.com (122.144.28.26)  48.714 ms  51.196 ms  53.561 ms
12  pc2-an-ats-int02.starhub.net.sg (203.118.3.213)  56.932 ms  59.369 ms  60.810 ms
13  203.117.6.210 (203.117.6.210)  62.781 ms  63.186 ms  63.483 ms
14  fe8-0-0.eqx.newmediaexpress.com (203.174.80.6)  63.865 ms  65.976 ms  68.673 ms
15  thaivisa.com (203.174.84.82)  75.795 ms  76.948 ms  77.637 ms
[sajal@localhost ~]$

[sajal@localhost ~]$ whois 122.144.28.26
[Querying whois.apnic.net]
[whois.apnic.net]
% [whois.apnic.net node-2]
% Whois data copyright terms	http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html

inetnum:	  122.144.28.24 - 122.144.28.27
netname:	  TIG-IIT-STARHUB
descr:		StarHub at Global SW
country:	  TH
admin-c:	  TK455-AP
tech-c:	   TK455-AP
mnt-by:	   MAINT-TRUEINTERNETGATEWAY-TH
changed:	  [email protected] 20070502
status:	   ASSIGNED NON-PORTABLE
source:	   APNIC

person:	   Tharit Kaewkruewan
nic-hdl:	  TK455-AP
e-mail:	   [email protected]
address:	  1 Fortune Town,15th Floor, Ratchadapisek Rd. Dindaeng,
address:	  Bangkok 10400 Thailand.
phone:		+66-2699-5094
fax-no:	   +66-2642-0236
country:	  TH
changed:	  [email protected] 20061124
mnt-by:	   MAINT-TRUEINTERNETGATEWAY-TH
source:	   APNIC


[sajal@localhost ~]$

[henkb52]

Hi there,

interresting info, I was wondering. I 'm in need of an reliable internet connection (gprs/edge-adsl-dailin)

in wattana nakhon - Sa Keao province. What is my best bet?

thanx in advance,

Greetings Henk