Jingthing Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) I had to laugh when I found out about this. What some New York foodies consider the BEST bagel in New York City (which may well mean the best bagel in the world) is baked by THAI people! And yet it doesn't seem that you can find an authentic bagel anywhere in Thailand. It just ain't right. New York has enough bagel bakers. http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2006/09/the...c-and-anot.html Also if interest, this history of the bagel article (the American style BOILED bagel started in Krakow Poland) which also references the THAI bagels!: http://www.slate.com/id/2204140 Edited November 13, 2008 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidoriApple Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 it doesn't seem that you can find an authentic bagel anywhere in Thailand. How will you find bagel in Au Bon Pain? For me, I like it there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSR Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 bagels in thailand are terrible especially au bon pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) it doesn't seem that you can find an authentic bagel anywhere in Thailand. How will you find bagel in Au Bon Pain? For me, I like it there... No accounting for taste. They are shaped like bagels, I'll give you that. They've got a hole. I prefer the memory of a real bagel to the reality of a phony one. Edited November 13, 2008 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 am making some real New York bagels today if I get the time ... will be available at the Bistro tomorrow John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 am making some real New York bagels today if I get the time ... will be available at the Bistro tomorrowJohn Gonna be up your way tomorrow John (the Mrs and I are moving closer at the end of the month) so I might drop by. Re The bagel - this is my retirement business plan in the making. Give me a couple of years to get this sorted then we will bask in real bagels again in the city. Au Bon Pain is not the standard!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEENTHEREDONETHAT Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 am making some real New York bagels today if I get the time ... will be available at the Bistro tomorrowJohn Gonna be up your way tomorrow John (the Mrs and I are moving closer at the end of the month) so I might drop by. Re The bagel - this is my retirement business plan in the making. Give me a couple of years to get this sorted then we will bask in real bagels again in the city. Au Bon Pain is not the standard!!! Plan to deliver out of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 am making some real New York bagels today if I get the time ... will be available at the Bistro tomorrowJohn Gonna be up your way tomorrow John (the Mrs and I are moving closer at the end of the month) so I might drop by. Re The bagel - this is my retirement business plan in the making. Give me a couple of years to get this sorted then we will bask in real bagels again in the city. Au Bon Pain is not the standard!!! Plan to deliver out of town. Yes, check out our on-line shop .. we will start shortly to deliver by EMS all goods which will not be affected by this method of transport to anywhere in Thailand These items include baked products like Rye Bread, Bagels, etc.. you will find these items under the "Retail" section John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Gonna be up your way tomorrow John (the Mrs and I are moving closer at the end of the month) so I might drop by. Re The bagel - this is my retirement business plan in the making. Give me a couple of years to get this sorted then we will bask in real bagels again in the city. Au Bon Pain is not the standard!!! Come on by unfortunately there is no beer today, tomorrow and Sunday Au Bon Pain make a nice soft doug bread which looks like a bagel but isn't - not bad as far as bread or rolls in BKK are concerned but just not bagels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 Au Bon Pain make a nice soft doug bread which looks like a bagel but isn't - not bad as far as bread or rolls in BKK are concerned but just not bagels Agreed. Are your bagels boiled, or not? I have had nice ones that are not boiled, but you called them real New York bagels, so doesn't that imply boiled ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Come on by unfortunately there is no beer today, tomorrow and Sunday Au Bon Pain make a nice soft doug bread which looks like a bagel but isn't - not bad as far as bread or rolls in BKK are concerned but just not bagels No beer John, what will you do with yourself all day tomorrow?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Come on by unfortunately there is no beer today, tomorrow and Sunday Au Bon Pain make a nice soft doug bread which looks like a bagel but isn't - not bad as far as bread or rolls in BKK are concerned but just not bagels No beer John, what will you do with yourself all day tomorrow?? well lol I just found out from Tong Law Police that we can sell beer up to 6pm since we are a restaurant after 6pm no alcohol apparently that goes for today tomorrow and sunday was the usual confusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Come on by unfortunately there is no beer today, tomorrow and Sunday Au Bon Pain make a nice soft doug bread which looks like a bagel but isn't - not bad as far as bread or rolls in BKK are concerned but just not bagels No beer John, what will you do with yourself all day tomorrow?? well lol I just found out from Tong Law Police that we can sell beer up to 6pm since we are a restaurant after 6pm no alcohol apparently that goes for today tomorrow and sunday was the usual confusion Isn't it always interesting to see that when it comes to alcohol rules in this country, that impretation is discretionary and oft times very fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) Au Bon Pain make a nice soft doug bread which looks like a bagel but isn't - not bad as far as bread or rolls in BKK are concerned but just not bagels Agreed. Are your bagels boiled, or not? I have had nice ones that are not boiled, but you called them real New York bagels, so doesn't that imply boiled ones? Of ourse they are boiled first before baking otherwise they are not bagels, certainly not New York Bagels - the boiling stops the Bagels from rising any further in the oven and makes for a denser texture Edited November 14, 2008 by JohnBKKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) Isn't it always interesting to see that when it comes to alcohol rules in this country, that impretation is discretionary and oft times very fluid. everyone is basically clueless and rules are made up as one goes allong lol - I'm sure in other areas they can serve beer also at night but the waiters have to wear bow ties - who knows what are the reasons - I find those no drink rules at certain times strange anyway and somehow fail to see the point .. the Thais are going to drink anyway, But back to Bagels now lol Edited November 14, 2008 by JohnBKKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidoriApple Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 ror? in Au Bon Pain isn't good... It's possible... most in here agreed with this.... Well, I am not a bread-lover (but rice-lover, actually), but I'd love to try... Khun JohnBKKK, I may drop by at the shop tomorrow... Will c, if it's not too busy, gotta work on weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 ror? in Au Bon Pain isn't good...It's possible... most in here agreed with this.... Well, I am not a bread-lover (but rice-lover, actually), but I'd love to try... Khun JohnBKKK, I may drop by at the shop tomorrow... Will c, if it's not too busy, gotta work on weekends. ehem.. didn't say that ... I just said that their Bagels are ok if called soft dough rolls or something like that but they are not real New York Bagels, they are too soft and light to be called that ... but since they cater for Asians a lot, who preferr soft bread ...... John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) Au Bon Pain make a nice soft doug bread which looks like a bagel but isn't - not bad as far as bread or rolls in BKK are concerned but just not bagels Agreed. Are your bagels boiled, or not? I have had nice ones that are not boiled, but you called them real New York bagels, so doesn't that imply boiled ones? Of ourse they are boiled first before baking otherwise they are not bagels, certainly not New York Bagels - the boiling stops the Bagels from rising any further in the oven and makes for a denser texture Why say of course? I agree boiling makes for an authentic bagel, but consider the example of the famous Noah's bagels chain in the US. These are tasty bagels and never boiled. So it was a legit question that any bagel fancier worth his cream cheese may have asked. Edited November 14, 2008 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Why say of course? I agree boiling makes for an authentic bagel, but consider the example of the famous Noah's bagels chain in the US. These are tasty bagels and never boiled. So it was a legit question that any bagel fancier worth his cream cheese may have asked. I'm looking at New York Bagels only .. that's why the "of course" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) I'm looking at New York Bagels only .. that's why the "of course" Great. If you can do these quite well, why not freeze them and distribute to some western food stores Thailand-wide? That is a much bigger market than direct order and there is definitely a demand. Bagels hold up to freezing pretty well, don't they? Edited November 14, 2008 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) I'm looking at New York Bagels only .. that's why the "of course" Great. If you can do these quite well, why not freeze them and distribute to some western food stores Thailand-wide? That is a much bigger market than direct order and there is definitely a demand. Bagels hold up to freezing pretty well, don't they? That is what I'm looking at right now - making some for the Bistro for tomorrow which will be served with cream cheese and smoked salmon - testing the market so to speak since I have my usual crowd of US customers in since we can serve beer Yes, Bagels freeze very well withot any real loss of quality - defrost them in your refridgrator - dip in water and place them into the oven at 160C for as long as it takes for them to heat through lightly and the skin crisps up again Edited November 14, 2008 by JohnBKKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 Great to hear that EuroG. If you do build a bagel empire here, I think you could easily start with just a few classic varieties -- plain, poppy (very popular but makes you fail drug screening tests), everything (thick salt, poppy, sesame, onion), maybe onion, maybe sesame, or even just do plain. I have to admit EuroGourmet is not such a hot branding name for a bagel empire, but if a guy named Hussein can be elected US president, anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 (edited) Great to hear that EuroG. If you do build a bagel empire here, I think you could easily start with just a few classic varieties -- plain, poppy (very popular but makes you fail drug screening tests), everything (thick salt, poppy, sesame, onion), maybe onion, maybe sesame, or even just do plain.I have to admit EuroGourmet is not such a hot branding name for a bagel empire, but if a guy named Hussein can be elected US president, anything is possible. a Bagel "Empire " sure, with a few hundred potential customers at best.... hmmm .. yesterday I made just a few since I had no time during the day at the main kitchen since I also had to rush into town and explain to my staff once again what "minimum stock" means .. that it does not mean "we are out of......" and our driver was busy delivering .. oh well so I had to make them late in the evening at home where I don't have all the prof. equipment ... turned out nice though if very handmade looking but its the taste and texture that matters. Next week I will start a small production and probably put some in the Villa 33 freezers and than we shall see... As to our name "Eurogourmet", the Bagel, like most US American Food originated .. guess where .... in Europe .. supposedly in Austria. When the Eastern European Jewish immigrants arrived in North America at the turn of the century, they brought the bagel with them. John Edited November 15, 2008 by JohnBKKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 (edited) Of course I know the origins of the modern bagel came from Europe/East Europe but I think it is fair to say it became mass popularized in the Americas. I was only talking about BRANDING. If I was starting a bagel specific brand I would go more American/Jewish rather than Euro, but I realize you already have an established brand. http://www.slate.com/id/2204140 To emphasis my point if I was starting a French croissant company, I wouldn't call it Moishe's Best. Edited November 15, 2008 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphodbeeblebrox Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 As to our name "Eurogourmet", the Bagel, like most US American Food originated .. guess where .... in Europe .. supposedly in Austria.When the Eastern European Jewish immigrants arrived in North America at the turn of the century, they brought the bagel with them. John I can vouch for that. My great grandfather, who immigrated from Austria in 1903, founded the International Beigel (that's the way they spelled it) Baker's Union (Local 338) in New York City in 1907. They were originally street food sold from carts in New York City and sold on sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 I can vouch for that. My great grandfather, who immigrated from Austria in 1903, founded the International Beigel (that's the way they spelled it) Baker's Union (Local 338) in New York City in 1907. They were originally street food sold from carts in New York City and sold on sticks. Now that's street cred that will be hard to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 (edited) Yesterday at the Bistro, my US regulars had their pork knuckles, burgers and apple pies .... gave them 1/2 hour to digest and than I put the bagels in front of them, just with some cream cheese and announced another testing panel moment. I do it this way because by than they are full to the brink and their judgement is not tainted by hunger Results were very positive besides the Bagels being slightly compressed in height (got to reset the packaging machine when packaging Bagels) - they would stand up to a New York bought Bagel, were tasty and had the correct density ...... soon on the menu Bagels with cream cheese and smoked salmon - A Bagel with an egg omelette - and plain New York Bagels by EMS (Thailand wide) from our website or for bangkok via chefsxp Edited November 16, 2008 by JohnBKKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 How about this? Eurogourmet's New York Bagel with cream Cheese and smoked Salmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) Looks excellent. Many people traditionally like capers on that classic as well though. Not essential. I like sliced avocado and sliced jalepeno peppers peppers on my lox and bagels but I know that's weird. Edited November 18, 2008 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBKKK Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) Looks excellent. Many people traditionally like capers on that classic as well though. Not essential. I like sliced avocado and sliced jalepeno peppers peppers on my lox and bagels but I know that's weird. I personally love capers but found that I'm in a minority - had it for my dinner after taking the picture and I can only say it is fantastic, the onions enhance the salmon flavor and the creamcheese adds a richness that could not be achieved with anything else. Our New York Bagel may not look as perfect as some massproduced ones but I think flavor and especially texture are important. I do not use any molds to get them perfectly round and totally smooth. They are simmered for 45 seconds per side prior to baking by the way Edited November 18, 2008 by JohnBKKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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