TAWP Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Thaksin publishes alleged government document Over his Twitter feed Thaksin['s team'] published the alleged documents dealing with the governments countering of his influence. edit: Links deleted to comply with Thai law - mario2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airplane Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Thanks for publishing this document. It's annoying when newspapers refer to it but don't publish it. I don't respect this Top Secret business either. TAWP you're a good man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokJazz Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Well, thought out, clear and reasoned document. Analysis of the problem and relationship seems spot on, and the tactics to deal with it seem spot on as well. Where is the smoking gun? This document isn't it.... Actually, publishing the document seems to give further credibility to the government, and their ability to handle the crisis. Nothing in there about killing Thaksin, lol Ol' Jatuporn must be high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokJazz Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Why shouldn't government documents be private? All government's keep sensitive information to themselves. ALL as in every single one. The fact that this document was leaked or stolen, is a crime actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabs Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 If this is true, according to this Thai Government paper he still has his Police Rank. Surely the proceedings to strip him of that rank would cause him more loss of face and really tee him off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) The translated 'eliminate' is vague and could mean just about anything. Is the meaning any more precise in the original Thai document? Edit: Had a friend look at the original and apparently it is just as vague as the English version. Uncle Takki's view of it as a proposed assassination is an extreme interpretation. So it seems this is just yet another media stunt from Uncle Takki. He'll be skydiving naked into press conferences soon. Edited December 23, 2009 by Crushdepth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWMcMurray Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I have never been a fan of the coup, yellow shirts or the legal wrangling used to wrest the power from the elected government, but I do not see anything wrong with the government document... (this does not mean I like Taksin in any way what so ever) It seems like a well written and fair assessment of the situation and the planned action also seems very reasonable. It looks like they are taking a very reasoned and level headed aproach to the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 So Thaksin gets his hands on a Secret Thai Government Policy Document relating to Thai Cambodia relations and he publishes it - essentially hands it to the Cambodians. Does anyone doubt what this kind of behaviour is called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Takki is getting more and more desperate. What a first class tool he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphodbeeblebrox Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Thanks for publishing this document. It's annoying when newspapers refer to it but don't publish it. Perhaps the newspapers, justifiably, are fearful the document has been fabricated, and that they could be criminally liable for defamation by publishing it? If this is the case, has Thaksin set himself up for another criminal trial in absentia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokJazz Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 So Thaksin gets his hands on a Secret Thai Government Policy Document relating to Thai Cambodia relations and he publishes it - essentially hands it to the Cambodians.Does anyone doubt what this kind of behaviour is called? No GH, there is no doubt at all what this kind of behavior is called. Which is why Thaksin will never return to LOS. Just trying to cause enough trouble to pressure the judiciary to give the money back it seized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWMcMurray Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I disagree with the comments that Taksin should get in trouble for publishing the document... he is not a government employee and he did not do anything wrong (in this case). The person who committed an illegal act is the government employee who released the document illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Well I wonder who funded the translation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepia Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) Edit: Had a friend look at the original and apparently it is just as vague as the English version. Uncle Takki's view of it as a proposed assassination is an extreme interpretation. So it seems this is just yet another media stunt from Uncle Takki. He'll be skydiving naked into press conferences soon. It didn't contain the purported assassination plans proclaimed by Jatuporn and it also didn't include his other claim which was that Thailand had invasion plans for Cambodia. As for the unauthorized release of documents, Thailand has 3 classifications: Top Secret (ลับที่สุด) Lap thi sut Secret (ลับมาก) Lap mak Confidential (ลับ) Lap I wasn't to discover what the penalties are involved in Thailand specifically, but did find a sampling of some other countries' punishment possibilities. France: An offence punishable with 7 years of imprisonment Australia: The maximum penalty is up to 25 years prison United States: Punishable up to the death penalty Edited December 23, 2009 by sepia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepia Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) I disagree with the comments that Taksin should get in trouble for publishing the document... he is not a government employee and he did not do anything wrong (in this case). The person who committed an illegal act is the government employee who released the document illegally. The person that disclosed the document initially to Jatuporn is guilty, Jatuporn is guilty, and for publishing it on the internet, that person (Thaksin) is guilty, also. There is no requirement to be a government employee in order to be charged with releasing classified documents. Any number of journalists, for example, have been convicted of doing so. Edited December 23, 2009 by sepia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWMcMurray Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) There is no requirement to be a government employee in order to be charged with releasing classified documents. Any number of journalists, for example, have been convicted of doing so. Really ??? Are you talking about previous cases of journalists being jailed for this is Thailand or in other countries around the world? I can not recall any similar cases in the US (which doesn't mean that it didn't happen), but from my understanding in the US is that journalists are usually threatened with "obstruction of justice" or "held in contemp of court" for not releasing their source, rather than actually imprisioned for publishing the documents them selves. Not sure if the laws / precendants are different in Thailand Edited December 23, 2009 by CWMcMurray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepia Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) There is no requirement to be a government employee in order to be charged with releasing classified documents. Any number of journalists, for example, have been convicted of doing so. Are you talking about previous cases of journalists being jailed for this is Thailand or in other countries around the world? I can not recall any similar cases in the US (which doesn't mean that it didn't happen), but from my understanding in the US is that journalists are usually threatened with "obstruction of justice" or "held in contemp of court" for not releasing their source, rather than actually imprisioned for publishing the documents them selves. Googling I found several instances of journalists from other countries being prosecuted for publishing classified documents, which is a different situation than contempt of court for not releasing the a source of information. Also found this which seems to indicate the authorities will pursue criminal charges against those that made the unauthorized release of this classified information. This is only a part of the news article: Acting Govt Spokesperson:Public Can Judge Credibility of Translated Version of Classified Document The acting government spokesperson insists the classified document written by the Foreign Affairs Ministry is not an assassination attempt against the former prime minister, and that Thai-Cambodian ties will turn sour after the document is distorted by the pro-Thaksin movement. Acting Government Spokesperson Panithan Watthanayakorn believes the public is capable of judging the credibility of the translated version of the classified document that the former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has publicized on a website.. Furthermore, he says it has no malicious purpose against Thaksin Shinawatra as claimed by the Pheu Thai Party. Panithan added that there are three consequences of the controversial document being revealed without permission. The first is that those who publicize the document will face a criminal charge. http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData...?DataID=1022699 Edited December 23, 2009 by sepia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airplane Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I think if we can distribute links to the document freely on TV, we can safely assume that TAWP or anyone else here including Thaksin won't face any charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepia Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 This issue seems to making a lot of news. Now found that Jatuporn is really pushing the envelope by publishing more classified documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWMcMurray Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Good to know... (not like I have access to any Top Secret Documents from any country, but good to know...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepia Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Another 9 pages of confidential document exposed BANGKOK, 23 December 2009 (NNT) – The United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) core leader and Puea Thai MP Jatuporn Prompan has revealed another nine pages of confidential document of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on counter plans against Cambodia. Jatuporn made a press conference to expose another nine pages of the secret confidential document claiming to belong to the Thai Foreign Ministry. He elaborated that the document indicated guidelines to handle and counter actions against Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen in three levels from soft, moderate, and harsh. According to the UDD core leader, the document explained advantages and disadvantages of each measure. The measures range from suspension of approval all the collaboration projects between Thailand and Cambodia to enforcement of troops at Thai-Cambodian border, especially around the disputed area of Preah Vihear. Jatuporn insisted that the actions indicated in the document was violating the law for meddling in the judiciary system, attempting to assassinate ex-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, and handling the UDD group. He also challenged the Foreign Ministry to take legal action against him as he would file a countersuit as well against the ministry for interfering in the judiciary system and violating the constitution. The Puea Thai MP continued to say that he would bring this issue to file a censure motion against Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya to unseat him from his ministerial portfolio. He announced that he would publish both the Thai and English version of the document online via twitter of the ex-prime minister as well. Earlier, Secretary to the Foreign Minister, Chavanond Intarakomalyasut confirmed with media that there was no order to assassinate anyone as claimed by Jatuporn. http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255212230020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caf Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The translated 'eliminate' is vague and could mean just about anything. Is the meaning any more precise in the original Thai document?Edit: Had a friend look at the original and apparently it is just as vague as the English version. Uncle Takki's view of it as a proposed assassination is an extreme interpretation. So it seems this is just yet another media stunt from Uncle Takki. He'll be skydiving naked into press conferences soon. If the translation is, as you say, vague in both Thai and English then his is not an extreme interpretation is it? A you say it could mean anything. The media stunt was not from Taksin. From the same source I guess that created the spoof that he had changed his name to Takki. The Thai television media and press refer to him as Taksin as does Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazygourmet Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 No comment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caf Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Why shouldn't government documents be private? All government's keep sensitive information to themselves. ALL as in every single one. The fact that this document was leaked or stolen, is a crime actually. A sensitive document like that would, in the West anyway, be hand delivered, no copies would be kept, and only a few top people would be aware of it. And usually the brief would be a lot longer and detailed and in code. Ok I know TIT. But they can't be that naive can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 Don't worry, you will not get into trouble for reading the documents. Besides, in this case the documents seemingly, in my opinion, clears Kasit of any thought of him ordering extreme plans. But I suppose the battle over what the word 'is' means (see: Clinton trial) will go on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepia Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 more news on this Jatuporn insists govt plan to kill Thaksin Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Prompan alleged Wednesday the government for hatching a secret plan to "get rid of" fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra. And he disclosed for the second time the classified memorandum prepared by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to back up his allegation. Repeating his last week's claim, Jatuporn said the memorandum on Thai-Cambodian ties, classified as secret and sent from Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, was purportedly the plot to assassinate Thaksin. The term "get rid of" is a code word for killing, he said, claiming such code word is commonly understood by the MFA officials. At the Wednesday's press conference, he focused on his critique of the five-page annex to the four-page memorandum which he discussed last week. The annex outlined measures with varying intensity to respond to the prime minister of Cambodia, he said. Among the 18 measures included the ban for Thai citizens to visit Cambodian casinos, the cancellation of the extradition treaty, the reinforcement of troops along the borders, and the cancellation of the memorandum of understanding on maritime boundaries. He said the pros and cons analysis by the MFA shed light on the dilemma regarding the MOUs signed with Cambodia. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/12/23...cs_30119030.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The term "get rid of" is a code word for killing, he said, claiming such code word is commonly understood by the MFA officials. So if any of you lot are down Chaeng Wattana and hear the official say to your intended "You're best getting rid of him" then it's time for those building blocks to be anally excreted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted December 24, 2009 Author Share Posted December 24, 2009 Thanks to admin for re-instating this thread. Too bad the links had to be deleted, but as it is a sensitive matter and you have to be overly careful as the blacklists aren't properly overseen by the judicial system, it is understood and respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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