Chart Thai Pattana Party Vows Not To Withdraw From Government

[Thai at Heart]

One of the clearest things that should happen, would be for the party leaders to declare before the election, with whom they would partner in a coalition. Of course, that would mean some kind of a manifesto. I mean telling your constituents what you plan to do once in power would require a level of political sophistication not yet around in Thailand.

They often do do that, it just doesn't mean much. Most of the minority parties campaigned that they would not form a government with the PPP, yet they did for a time.

Well in that case, if the people feel disappointed that their votes were wasted because their candidate switched sides, I won't have one iota of sympathy for them if the people vote for the same guy again.

The UDD/Reds cannot complain about duplicity and Abhisit's illegitimate government if the parties that switched continue to hold their level of votes next time around.

[anotherpeter]

Well in that case, if the people feel disappointed that their votes were wasted because their candidate switched sides, I won't have one iota of sympathy for them if the people vote for the same guy again.

The UDD/Reds cannot complain about duplicity and Abhisit's illegitimate government if the parties that switched continue to hold their level of votes next time around.

The UDD/Reds probably didn't vote for them in the first place. They are angry because MPs that they didn't vote for or from other electorates changed sides.

They reds can't do anything about other areas voting the minor parties back in if that's what the electorate wants.

[Thai at Heart]

Well in that case, if the people feel disappointed that their votes were wasted because their candidate switched sides, I won't have one iota of sympathy for them if the people vote for the same guy again.

The UDD/Reds cannot complain about duplicity and Abhisit's illegitimate government if the parties that switched continue to hold their level of votes next time around.

The UDD/Reds probably didn't vote for them in the first place. They are angry because MPs that they didn't vote for or from other electorates changed sides.

They reds can't do anything about other areas voting the minor parties back in if that's what the electorate wants.

Well, certain parties were expected to ally with the PTP, and others not. After the election they didn't hold to their promises If people don't see that as a betrayal that is up to them. The problem is the lack of any political principles in most of parties.

Please confirm, the MP's who make up BJT stood under who's banner at the last election. Was it NDP which was only formed in 2006, ? I am so bemused by the whole mess, I can't remember. From what I can decipher, there are 6 parties in the current election, 5 of which were formed in 2007 or later and mostly born out of being banned for various bits of electoral fraud.

If people want to vote for them that is up to them. It will be interesting to see if the reported political treachery by Newin and his bunch bites them on the backside. If it doesn't then more fool the people.

Interestingly, is this wikepedia entry true?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_Motherland_Party

Its most notable members include Thaksin's former foreign minister Surakiart Sathirathai, Suranand Vejjajiva and Preecha Laohaphongchanaand notably it is composed of both former TRT members and former TRT opponents

There is another Vejjajiva sitting in the parliament?

Edited March 23, 2010 by Thai at Heart

[animatic]

Countdown towards the General Election

As part of the preparations for the general election on 23 December 2007, the Election Commission invited political parties to submit lists of candidates in the general election under the proportional representation during the period from 7 to 11 November 2007. A total of 31 political parties registered to compete in all or some of the eight electoral areas and drew ballots for the numbers under which they would run.

Number Political Parties

1 Puea Pandin Party

2 Rum Jai Thai Chart Pattana Party

3 The Farmer Network of Thailand Party

4 Democrat Party

5 The Farmer Force Party

6 Rakmuangthai Party

7 Labour Party

8 Thai Farmer Party

9 Pracharaj Party

10 Thai Law Jurisprudence Party

11 Pattana Prachathippatai Party

12 People Power Party

13 Chartthai Party

14 Damrongthai Party

15 Matchimathipataya Party

16 Chart Samuccee Party

17 New Aspiration Party

18 Thai Citizen Party

19 Prachamati Party

20 Free Thai Party

21 Palang Pandin Thai Party

22 Mahachon Party

23 The Moral Party

24 Ratsadonrakthai Party

25 Kirs Thai Maankong Party

26 Yudi Misuk Party

27 Thai Rum Ruay Party

28 Independent Party

29 Power Ground Party

30 Sangkomdhibataya

31 The Num Vidhi Party

• Summary of the 23 December 2007 House of Representatives of Thailand Thai general election results

• 
  * Party Constituency Proportional TOTAL Votes % Seats Votes % Seats
  
• People's Power Party 26,293,456 36.63 199 14,071,799 39.60 34 233
  
• Democrat Party 21,745,696 30.30 132 14,084,265 39.63 33 165
  
• Thai Nation Party 6,363,475 8.87 33 1,545,282 4.35 4 37
  
• For the Motherland 6,599,422 9.19 17 1,981,021 5.57 7 24
  
• Thais United National Development Party 3,395,197 4.73 8 948,544 2.67 1 9
  
• Neutral Democratic Party 3,844,673 5.36 7 528,464 1.49 0 7
  
• Royalist People's Party 1,632,795 2.27 4 750,158 2.11 1 5
  
• Others 1,897,953 2.64 — 1,626,234 4.58 — 0
  
• Valid votes 71,772,667* 100 400 35,535,767 100 80 480
  
• No Votes 906,216 2.32
  
• Invalid Votes 2,539,429 6.51
  
• Total Turnout 38,981,412 85.38
  
• 
  

It seems 39 MILLION did turn out to vote.

But the 28 so often bandined about here.

Thus reducing the PTP / RedShirt rally percentage of voters down to

0.25% of voters

1/4 of one percent of 2007 election voters were trying to bring down the government

last weekend and screaming that they have a huge mandate to do this.

But out of VALID VOTES... 71,772,667 ( read; voters get to vote more than once...)

Only 0.139 % of valid votes are deemed as Reds complaining.

Not exactly a resounding plurality....

This is a Thaksin controling the PTP, controling the Red Shirts rampaging in the street,

naked power grab attempt disguised as a Democracy movement, using old Communists as foot soldiers.

Has a new benchmark of hypocrisy been set in the Land Of Shinola!

Oh yes! National Government too!

And Impeach the PM for protecting the Parliament building...

Oh we had to WALK... boo hoo.

Edited March 24, 2010 by animatic

[rametindallas]

I wonder if the Chart Thai statement has been made following any consultation with their constituants?

How often do political parties in any democratic country go back to the constituents before making a decision?

They were elected by the people to be their represenatives in parliament.

If the MPs don't do what the electorate wants, then they don't get elected in the next election.

I would hope that most members of Parliment don't share your view of Representative Democracy.

In most legitimate Representative Democracies the elective elected representatives usually maintain Constituent Offices where they continuosly consult with their constituents and assist with their problems to understand how thay want to be represented.

55555555555

Most in the US were against the Health Care Reform Bill but it passed anyway. Polititions do what they want.

[rametindallas]

Countdown towards the General Election

As part of the preparations for the general election on 23 December 2007, the Election Commission invited political parties to submit lists of candidates in the general election under the proportional representation during the period from 7 to 11 November 2007. A total of 31 political parties registered to compete in all or some of the eight electoral areas and drew ballots for the numbers under which they would run.

Number Political Parties

1 Puea Pandin Party

2 Rum Jai Thai Chart Pattana Party

3 The Farmer Network of Thailand Party

4 Democrat Party

5 The Farmer Force Party

6 Rakmuangthai Party

7 Labour Party

8 Thai Farmer Party

9 Pracharaj Party

10 Thai Law Jurisprudence Party

11 Pattana Prachathippatai Party

12 People Power Party

13 Chartthai Party

14 Damrongthai Party

15 Matchimathipataya Party

16 Chart Samuccee Party

17 New Aspiration Party

18 Thai Citizen Party

19 Prachamati Party

20 Free Thai Party

21 Palang Pandin Thai Party

22 Mahachon Party

23 The Moral Party

24 Ratsadonrakthai Party

25 Kirs Thai Maankong Party

26 Yudi Misuk Party

27 Thai Rum Ruay Party

28 Independent Party

29 Power Ground Party

30 Sangkomdhibataya

31 The Num Vidhi Party

• Summary of the 23 December 2007 House of Representatives of Thailand Thai general election results

• 
  * Party Constituency Proportional TOTAL Votes % Seats Votes % Seats
  
• People's Power Party 26,293,456 36.63 199 14,071,799 39.60 34 233
  
• Democrat Party 21,745,696 30.30 132 14,084,265 39.63 33 165
  
• Thai Nation Party 6,363,475 8.87 33 1,545,282 4.35 4 37
  
• For the Motherland 6,599,422 9.19 17 1,981,021 5.57 7 24
  
• Thais United National Development Party 3,395,197 4.73 8 948,544 2.67 1 9
  
• Neutral Democratic Party 3,844,673 5.36 7 528,464 1.49 0 7
  
• Royalist People's Party 1,632,795 2.27 4 750,158 2.11 1 5
  
• Others 1,897,953 2.64 — 1,626,234 4.58 — 0
  
• Valid votes 71,772,667* 100 400 35,535,767 100 80 480
  
• No Votes 906,216 2.32
  
• Invalid Votes 2,539,429 6.51
  
• Total Turnout 38,981,412 85.38
  
• 
  

It seems 39 MILLION did turn out to vote.

But the 28 so often bandined about here.

Thus reducing the PTP / RedShirt rally percentage of voters down to

0.25% of voters

1/4 of one percent of 2007 election voters were trying to bring down the government

last weekend and screaming that they have a huge mandate to do this.

But out of VALID VOTES... 71,772,667 ( read; voters get to vote more than once...)

Only 0.139 % of valid votes are deemed as Reds complaining.

Not exactly a resounding plurality....

This is a Thaksin controling the PTP, controling the Red Shirts rampaging in the street,

naked power grab attempt disguised as a Democracy movement, using old Communists as foot soldiers.

Has a new benchmark of hypocrisy been set in the Land Of Shinola!

Oh yes! National Government too!

And Impeach the PM for protecting the Parliament building...

Oh we had to WALK... boo hoo.

Wow. Get them with the facts. They can't stand facts.

[thaihome]

Wow. Get them with the facts. They can't stand facts.

That's for sure. But they keep coming back with the same tired lines.

TH

[hammered]

Countdown towards the General Election

As part of the preparations for the general election on 23 December 2007, the Election Commission invited political parties to submit lists of candidates in the general election under the proportional representation during the period from 7 to 11 November 2007. A total of 31 political parties registered to compete in all or some of the eight electoral areas and drew ballots for the numbers under which they would run.

Number Political Parties

1 Puea Pandin Party

2 Rum Jai Thai Chart Pattana Party

3 The Farmer Network of Thailand Party

4 Democrat Party

5 The Farmer Force Party

6 Rakmuangthai Party

7 Labour Party

8 Thai Farmer Party

9 Pracharaj Party

10 Thai Law Jurisprudence Party

11 Pattana Prachathippatai Party

12 People Power Party

13 Chartthai Party

14 Damrongthai Party

15 Matchimathipataya Party

16 Chart Samuccee Party

17 New Aspiration Party

18 Thai Citizen Party

19 Prachamati Party

20 Free Thai Party

21 Palang Pandin Thai Party

22 Mahachon Party

23 The Moral Party

24 Ratsadonrakthai Party

25 Kirs Thai Maankong Party

26 Yudi Misuk Party

27 Thai Rum Ruay Party

28 Independent Party

29 Power Ground Party

30 Sangkomdhibataya

31 The Num Vidhi Party

• Summary of the 23 December 2007 House of Representatives of Thailand Thai general election results

• 
  * Party Constituency Proportional TOTAL Votes % Seats Votes % Seats
  
• People's Power Party 26,293,456 36.63 199 14,071,799 39.60 34 233
  
• Democrat Party 21,745,696 30.30 132 14,084,265 39.63 33 165
  
• Thai Nation Party 6,363,475 8.87 33 1,545,282 4.35 4 37
  
• For the Motherland 6,599,422 9.19 17 1,981,021 5.57 7 24
  
• Thais United National Development Party 3,395,197 4.73 8 948,544 2.67 1 9
  
• Neutral Democratic Party 3,844,673 5.36 7 528,464 1.49 0 7
  
• Royalist People's Party 1,632,795 2.27 4 750,158 2.11 1 5
  
• Others 1,897,953 2.64 — 1,626,234 4.58 — 0
  
• Valid votes 71,772,667* 100 400 35,535,767 100 80 480
  
• No Votes 906,216 2.32
  
• Invalid Votes 2,539,429 6.51
  
• Total Turnout 38,981,412 85.38
  
• 
  

It seems 39 MILLION did turn out to vote.

But the 28 so often bandined about here.

Thus reducing the PTP / RedShirt rally percentage of voters down to

0.25% of voters

1/4 of one percent of 2007 election voters were trying to bring down the government

last weekend and screaming that they have a huge mandate to do this.

But out of VALID VOTES... 71,772,667 ( read; voters get to vote more than once...)

Only 0.139 % of valid votes are deemed as Reds complaining.

Not exactly a resounding plurality....

This is a Thaksin controling the PTP, controling the Red Shirts rampaging in the street,

naked power grab attempt disguised as a Democracy movement, using old Communists as foot soldiers.

Has a new benchmark of hypocrisy been set in the Land Of Shinola!

Oh yes! National Government too!

And Impeach the PM for protecting the Parliament building...

Oh we had to WALK... boo hoo.

Wow. Get them with the facts. They can't stand facts.

Those figures are kind of misleading as they are the total votes cast in each constitutency but in some constituencies a person voted three times for 3 candidates and in others two etc so the figures are of votes cast and dont correlate to people as some people get more votes to cast than others. That is why most comparisons use the party klist vote as for this vote every person got one vote only if they cared to use it which about 30% didnt.

Working out Thai elections aint easy in terms of omov as only the party list is omov to any degree and that isn ttotal as it is regionalised into 8 areas.

[mazeltov]

Countdown towards the General Election

Wow. Get them with the facts. They can't stand facts.

Those figures are kind of misleading as they are the total votes cast in each constitutency but in some constituencies a person voted three times for 3 candidates and in others two etc so the figures are of votes cast and dont correlate to people as some people get more votes to cast than others. That is why most comparisons use the party klist vote as for this vote every person got one vote only if they cared to use it which about 30% didnt.

Working out Thai elections aint easy in terms of omov as only the party list is omov to any degree and that isn ttotal as it is regionalised into 8 areas.

it's mostly nonsense when people try to do something tricky with the figures of the election results. they just show of that they have understand nothing of the system and probably have no clue at all.

any comparison using only the "party list vote" or the so called proportional vote is equally misleading . not because it got split into 8 areas, but because it is still a 'second' vote, an additional vote that offered the voter a tactical voting. and only 80 MP of the 480 seats in the parliament got elected this way.

[way2muchcoffee]

it's mostly nonsense when people try to do something tricky with the figures of the election results. they just show of that they have understand nothing of the system and probably have no clue at all.

any comparison using only the "party list vote" or the so called proportional vote is equally misleading . not because it got split into 8 areas, but because it is still a 'second' vote, an additional vote that offered the voter a tactical voting. and only 80 MP of the 480 seats in the parliament got elected this way.

Oh please. What percentage of voters do you think voted PTP across the board in the constituency election and then Democrats in the proportional vote?

It is standard to rely on the proportional vote as the leading indicator of party support.

[mazeltov]

it's mostly nonsense when people try to do something tricky with the figures of the election results. they just show of that they have understand nothing of the system and probably have no clue at all.

any comparison using only the "party list vote" or the so called proportional vote is equally misleading . not because it got split into 8 areas, but because it is still a 'second' vote, an additional vote that offered the voter a tactical voting. and only 80 MP of the 480 seats in the parliament got elected this way.

Oh please. What percentage of voters do you think voted PTP across the board in the constituency election and then Democrats in the proportional vote?

It is standard to rely on the proportional vote as the leading indicator of party support.

to answer your question - zero percent, because nobody at all voted for PTP in the 2007 election.

anyway who declared that to a standard, (to check/analyse/argue with only the proportional vote)?

you can't ignore the specifics of the voting system in Thailand (a system lot of people here on this board not understand.) and you can't ignore other circumstances and the special situation in that year 2007.

taking figures out of the context is misleading.