Red-Shirts Blamed For Gunfights, Bomb Attacks

[tgw]

note how he is wearing gloves.

[haroldc]

In my previous post on ThaiVisa, I said that this is not about "red-yellow" or "prai-amataya" -- there is a kingdom at stake.

Thai society as we know it is approaching a crossroads which has nothing to do with anything that is being represented as a root cause of the current conflict.

A good Thai television commercial is as good as any commercial made anywhere, and the budget for this production is open-ended. Be assured that all the performers are highly-paid, seasoned professionals, and thus adept at appearing irrational, incompetent, or invisible. Some of the lead characters actually do have sincere beliefs, but in time they will, if history repeats itself, be dealt with accordingly.

The histories of many nations have been recorded. Consider the things that people do when kingdoms are at stake.

Now is the most dangerous of times. They stakes are inconceivably high, and so much has already been laid on the table.

I wish you all a happy Songkran, and may the new year afford you healthiness, happiness and peace.

[elcent]

note how he is wearing gloves.

other pictures show the black clad with more serious weaponary in white gloves. Undernea the the black outfit you can even see the red shirts.

[hextac]

note how he is wearing gloves.

And wearing a mask, and is holding up a badge of some sort, and is wearing no red clothing, and has "ARMY" printed on her leg gear, and is completely alone, and is pointing the gun away from the cameraman (despite no witnesses), and yet is identified as a redshirt "security man".

[LevelHead]

You will also note that on www.uddthailand.com on the live TV feed that on Saturday afternoon the red guards "arrested" many people as infiltrators. Government was accused of putting many infiltrators in to cause trouble and be "photographed" causing trouble, all to help the media war rooms cause.

Now, if PTV was not blocked on Saturday most of you could have watched that, and been prepared for what was happening.

I wonder why the government wanted PTV shut down ?

They must remember this is 2010 and not 1992.

So many camera's in phones, so many people carrying camera's, so many people with video recorders that you just cannot easily get away with 1992 things in 2010.

Two wrongs do not also make a right. Whilst you can account for the soldiers deaths by the "MIB" if you want to, it still means many Reds were killed by soldiers. Which means that the leader of the "MIB" is guilty, whoever that is if the MIB are real, and nobody knows who that is. But also the leaders of the army side are guilty, as are the top government people who ordered the use of force, deadly force if the situation needed it.

[JohnLeech]

This topic title is misleading. Not sure how they can blame the reds for the gunfight, there were 14 reds dead and 4 soldiers, and most of the reds died from high power rifles, these are weapons issued by the military.

The topic title is not the ony thing that is misleading:

1. The Thai Army does not use the Barrett sniper rifle.

2. The Barrett is a conventional "high powered" rifle that has been around for decades, using a conventional round with a muzzle velocity of around 850 m/sthat has been around for even longer . It is not a "super powered" rifle, such as the Steyr AMR which uses a revolutionary round with a muzzle velocity of around 1,450 m/s.

PLEASE can we get back to discussing or posting about what is actually happening or might happen rather than trying to be macho (and, in most cases, failing dismally)?

[elcent]

You will also note that on www.uddthailand.com on the live TV feed that on Saturday afternoon the red guards "arrested" many people as infiltrators. Government was accused of putting many infiltrators in to cause trouble and be "photographed" causing trouble, all to help the media war rooms cause.

Now, if PTV was not blocked on Saturday most of you could have watched that, and been prepared for what was happening.

I wonder why the government wanted PTV shut down ?

They must remember this is 2010 and not 1992.

So many camera's in phones, so many people carrying camera's, so many people with video recorders that you just cannot easily get away with 1992 things in 2010.

Two wrongs do not also make a right. Whilst you can account for the soldiers deaths by the "MIB" if you want to, it still means many Reds were killed by soldiers. Which means that the leader of the "MIB" is guilty, whoever that is if the MIB are real, and nobody knows who that is. But also the leaders of the army side are guilty, as are the top government people who ordered the use of force, deadly force if the situation needed it.

I see, this also explains the red leaders decision to ban journalists altogether, why would that be? eh?

[lannarebirth]

In my previous post on ThaiVisa, I said that this is not about "red-yellow" or "prai-amataya" -- there is a kingdom at stake.

Thai society as we know it is approaching a crossroads which has nothing to do with anything that is being represented as a root cause of the current conflict.

A good Thai television commercial is as good as any commercial made anywhere, and the budget for this production is open-ended. Be assured that all the performers are highly-paid, seasoned professionals, and thus adept at appearing irrational, incompetent, or invisible. Some of the lead characters actually do have sincere beliefs, but in time they will, if history repeats itself, be dealt with accordingly.

The histories of many nations have been recorded. Consider the things that people do when kingdoms are at stake.

Now is the most dangerous of times. They stakes are inconceivably high, and so much has already been laid on the table.

I wish you all a happy Songkran, and may the new year afford you healthiness, happiness and peace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince

Edited April 12, 2010 by lannarebirth

[hextac]

This topic title is misleading. Not sure how they can blame the reds for the gunfight, there were 14 reds dead and 4 soldiers, and most of the reds died from high power rifles, these are weapons issued by the military.

The topic title is not the ony thing that is misleading:

1. The Thai Army does not use the Barrett sniper rifle.

2. The Barrett is a conventional "high powered" rifle that has been around for decades, using a conventional round with a muzzle velocity of around 850 m/sthat has been around for even longer . It is not a "super powered" rifle, such as the Steyr AMR which uses a revolutionary round with a muzzle velocity of around 1,450 m/s.

PLEASE can we get back to discussing or posting about what is actually happening or might happen rather than trying to be macho (and, in most cases, failing dismally)?

Do the Thai Army use those?

[tgw]

you waste your arguments on "LevelHead" - he's such a red-hugger that he will never accept other facts or theories than those fitting in his vision of the events.

[TrippRitter]

A lot of finger pointing at the reds, yellows and military for the deaths this last week. However a lot of non-Thai entities for instance the IMF, World Bank and other companies as well as other countries have a lot to gain or lose depending on the outcome of this situation. Could any of these non-Thai entities be investing in mercenaries to escalate the situation in an attempt to manipulate the situation in a way that would benefit them?

[hextac]

You will also note that on www.uddthailand.com on the live TV feed that on Saturday afternoon the red guards "arrested" many people as infiltrators. Government was accused of putting many infiltrators in to cause trouble and be "photographed" causing trouble, all to help the media war rooms cause.

Now, if PTV was not blocked on Saturday most of you could have watched that, and been prepared for what was happening.

I wonder why the government wanted PTV shut down ?

They must remember this is 2010 and not 1992.

So many camera's in phones, so many people carrying camera's, so many people with video recorders that you just cannot easily get away with 1992 things in 2010.

Two wrongs do not also make a right. Whilst you can account for the soldiers deaths by the "MIB" if you want to, it still means many Reds were killed by soldiers. Which means that the leader of the "MIB" is guilty, whoever that is if the MIB are real, and nobody knows who that is. But also the leaders of the army side are guilty, as are the top government people who ordered the use of force, deadly force if the situation needed it.

I see, this also explains the red leaders decision to ban journalists altogether, why would that be? eh?

When did the red leaders ban journalists?

[bkkjames]

You will also note that on www.uddthailand.com on the live TV feed that on Saturday afternoon the red guards "arrested" many people as infiltrators. Government was accused of putting many infiltrators in to cause trouble and be "photographed" causing trouble, all to help the media war rooms cause.

Now, if PTV was not blocked on Saturday most of you could have watched that, and been prepared for what was happening.

I wonder why the government wanted PTV shut down ?

They must remember this is 2010 and not 1992.

So many camera's in phones, so many people carrying camera's, so many people with video recorders that you just cannot easily get away with 1992 things in 2010.

Two wrongs do not also make a right. Whilst you can account for the soldiers deaths by the "MIB" if you want to, it still means many Reds were killed by soldiers. Which means that the leader of the "MIB" is guilty, whoever that is if the MIB are real, and nobody knows who that is. But also the leaders of the army side are guilty, as are the top government people who ordered the use of force, deadly force if the situation needed it.

Hmm red shirts work with /allow? black shirts to open fire on army from their side, then protest that army used lethal force in return? Sounds like a taliban tactic_hiding behinds civilians.

Feel sorry for the red shirts who got put in this position without their knowledge though. RIP.

[TheOldWolf]

You will also note that on www.uddthailand.com on the live TV feed that on Saturday afternoon the red guards "arrested" many people as infiltrators. Government was accused of putting many infiltrators in to cause trouble and be "photographed" causing trouble, all to help the media war rooms cause.

Now, if PTV was not blocked on Saturday most of you could have watched that, and been prepared for what was happening.

I wonder why the government wanted PTV shut down ?

They must remember this is 2010 and not 1992.

So many camera's in phones, so many people carrying camera's, so many people with video recorders that you just cannot easily get away with 1992 things in 2010.

Two wrongs do not also make a right. Whilst you can account for the soldiers deaths by the "MIB" if you want to, it still means many Reds were killed by soldiers. Which means that the leader of the "MIB" is guilty, whoever that is if the MIB are real, and nobody knows who that is. But also the leaders of the army side are guilty, as are the top government people who ordered the use of force, deadly force if the situation needed it.

Hmm red shirts work with /allow? black shirts to open fire on army from their side, then protest that army used lethal force in return? Sounds like a taliban tactic_hiding behinds civilians.

Feel sorry for the red shirts who got put in this position without their knowledge though. RIP.

Is it this that is called "double standard"?

[noel2499rk]

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1215105151727

Can someone translate what these guys are on about?

[hpl]

I see, this also explains the red leaders decision to ban journalists altogether, why would that be? eh?

When did the red leaders ban journalists?

When they were throwing bricks at them yesterday

The "peaceful" violence of the red shirts just doesn't stop.

Sad to just read about Paiboon Chullasut being the latest casualty as he was just doing his job as a van driver for a Thai television news channel. Seems yesterday, a group of red shirt protesters objected to the media's presence at their site and ran the media off.

They apparently didn't run off quick enough because as he was leaving the red site, a man threw a brick at the vehicle, injuring Khun Paiboon and breaking the van's window.

[Throatwobbler]

This Thread should not have been opened as it is in Contradiction with the aim of what the Nation has written in "our darkest day".

Yesterday morning, before any incident, I have underlined that Army should stay in its barracks because Army is a symbol of National Unity and should not be used against any fellow citizen- only reserved to external threats.

Young soldiers with several rounds of rubber and some (for warning) live ones, can confuse easily in the heat of a battle. Once everything begins to degenerate, everybody is warming up and the situatiion is escalading on both sides.

The decision to engage army (reluctant initially to be involved) is the key to this tragic saturday.

People engaged in a battle are loosing restraints it is well known: this kind of situation nearly always is degenerating.

The real responsability belongs to those who have created the situation, not to the fighters.

ARMY should have never been involved in this action.

I totally disagree with your opinion

The ARMY had to be engaged

wrong --- the purpose of any countries army is to defend that country against foreign invasion and to assist in disaster relief when and where needed -- the internal control of the country rests with the police forces of that country - to up hold the law of the land - seems too often that the army has been used in this country to do the bidding of the govt in power -- or to stage coups when needed - not to be killing their own countrymen - would be interested to know if u can quote what country has used the armed forces to supress local situations like this = apart from burma - but i refer to developed countries - so sad we see thai killing thai -- who was first to throw the first stone does not really matter -- the over reaction by the army was the problem -- and as quoted earlier - if action had been taken against the yellow shirts like this what would the reaction have been also - takes two to have a fight -- or two to tango -- and finally -- the army did not have to be engaged -- but if it was it should have been better controlled and not let these young men run around with weapons primed with live rounds -- the fact that they did have live rounds clearly shows the intent they were going to be used for --

How about the L.A. Riot 1992???

The National Guard and Marine were called in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCYdUItkGuY

Don't confuse them with facts. They don't know what to do then.

[elcent]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince

poor Thaksin wannabe

[saintofsilence]

Rogue generals on Thaksin's payroll cry for final showdown

By Sopon Onkgara

The Nation

Published on December 29, 2009

A NEW battle line has been drawn, with the sound of war drums beating, and the red shirts dancing around the bonfire. Their spirits are high, hoping that the showdown this time will be final and victorious. It does not matter to them whether there will be bloodshed or if the nation faces ruin.

The red-shirt battle cry this time came from a rogue junior Army general, and a number of retired military officers on the payroll of fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. They don't mind being branded traitors. The tidy sum from the man in exile is considered worthwhile.

The other day, the rogue soldier, commonly known as "Seh Daeng" warned that the battle this time will be open, with advance warning when shots will be fired upon the enemy, or whoever dares to move against the joint push for power at the command of Thaksin.

"Seh Daeng", Major General Khattiya Sawasdiphol, is a self-styled warrior, seeking the full blaze of publicity. He commands a group of militia being given political indoctrination as well as basic arms training.

[hextac]

I see, this also explains the red leaders decision to ban journalists altogether, why would that be? eh?

When did the red leaders ban journalists?

When they were throwing bricks at them yesterday

The "peaceful" violence of the red shirts just doesn't stop.

Sad to just read about Paiboon Chullasut being the latest casualty as he was just doing his job as a van driver for a Thai television news channel. Seems yesterday, a group of red shirt protesters objected to the media's presence at their site and ran the media off.

They apparently didn't run off quick enough because as he was leaving the red site, a man threw a brick at the vehicle, injuring Khun Paiboon and breaking the van's window.

OK, that does sound like the red leadership banned journalists

[elcent]

When did the red leaders ban journalists?

yesterday, it was big headlines everywhere.

[hpl]

misread post, reply deleted.

Edited April 12, 2010 by hpl

[elcent]

In my previous post on ThaiVisa, I said that this is not about "red-yellow" or "prai-amataya" -- there is a kingdom at stake.

Thai society as we know it is approaching a crossroads which has nothing to do with anything that is being represented as a root cause of the current conflict.

A good Thai television commercial is as good as any commercial made anywhere, and the budget for this production is open-ended. Be assured that all the performers are highly-paid, seasoned professionals, and thus adept at appearing irrational, incompetent, or invisible. Some of the lead characters actually do have sincere beliefs, but in time they will, if history repeats itself, be dealt with accordingly.

The histories of many nations have been recorded. Consider the things that people do when kingdoms are at stake.

Now is the most dangerous of times. They stakes are inconceivably high, and so much has already been laid on the table.

I wish you all a happy Songkran, and may the new year afford you healthiness, happiness and peace.

hear ya, well yes, this was and is Thaksin's aim as a kind of revenge because he can't get what he and only he for himself wants. Nero at his best.

Edited April 12, 2010 by elcent

[LevelHead]

Rogue generals on Thaksin's payroll cry for final showdown

By Sopon Onkgara

The Nation

Published on December 29, 2009

A NEW battle line has been drawn, with the sound of war drums beating, and the red shirts dancing around the bonfire. Their spirits are high, hoping that the showdown this time will be final and victorious. It does not matter to them whether there will be bloodshed or if the nation faces ruin.

The red-shirt battle cry this time came from a rogue junior Army general, and a number of retired military officers on the payroll of fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. They don't mind being branded traitors. The tidy sum from the man in exile is considered worthwhile.

The other day, the rogue soldier, commonly known as "Seh Daeng" warned that the battle this time will be open, with advance warning when shots will be fired upon the enemy, or whoever dares to move against the joint push for power at the command of Thaksin.

"Seh Daeng", Major General Khattiya Sawasdiphol, is a self-styled warrior, seeking the full blaze of publicity. He commands a group of militia being given political indoctrination as well as basic arms training.

From the man so Yellow that Yellow people would be ashamed at how un-Yellow they look when standing next to Super Yellow man.

[elcent]

here we go ...

The spokesman of the Internal Security Operations Commanded said Monday that either an active or a retired military officer identified Col Romklao Thuwatham for a gunman to take him out with M79 grenade.

Pol Maj Gen Disthaporn Sasamit said a laser beam was pointed to the group of commanders before an MP79 was fire at them, killing Romklao and injuring other senior officers.

Disthaporn said it was not a coincidence but everything was planned by the other side.

The spokesman said the other side was angry that Romklao led troops to restore order during riots last year so the other side was angry and would like to take a revenge.

Disthaporn said gunmen also fired at military officers from buildings so everything was planned by the other side.

The Nation

[FreedomDude]

When did the red leaders ban journalists?

yesterday, it was big headlines everywhere.

I believe the ban was only temporary and it was primarily aimed at certain Thai media outlets. They later regained their senses and asked them to come back. They did go too far, but it's hard to blame them for their frustrations when such a large chunk of the news Thailand is receiving is government controlled or controlled by Bangkok elite interests.

[bankokcrazy]

Rogue generals on Thaksin's payroll cry for final showdown

By Sopon Onkgara

The Nation

Published on December 29, 2009

A NEW battle line has been drawn, with the sound of war drums beating, and the red shirts dancing around the bonfire. Their spirits are high, hoping that the showdown this time will be final and victorious. It does not matter to them whether there will be bloodshed or if the nation faces ruin.

The red-shirt battle cry this time came from a rogue junior Army general, and a number of retired military officers on the payroll of fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. They don't mind being branded traitors. The tidy sum from the man in exile is considered worthwhile.

The other day, the rogue soldier, commonly known as "Seh Daeng" warned that the battle this time will be open, with advance warning when shots will be fired upon the enemy, or whoever dares to move against the joint push for power at the command of Thaksin.

"Seh Daeng", Major General Khattiya Sawasdiphol, is a self-styled warrior, seeking the full blaze of publicity. He commands a group of militia being given political indoctrination as well as basic arms training.

From the man so Yellow that Yellow people would be ashamed at how un-Yellow they look when standing next to Super Yellow man.

So you supports the Reds right ?

Edited April 12, 2010 by bankokcrazy

[hextac]

misread post, reply deleted.

No you didn't mate, maybe misunderstood my sarcasm. I just don't see how one journalist getting a brick thrown at his van equates to "the red leadership ban journalists"?

[saintofsilence]

Rogue generals on Thaksin's payroll cry for final showdown

By Sopon Onkgara

The Nation

Published on December 29, 2009

A NEW battle line has been drawn, with the sound of war drums beating, and the red shirts dancing around the bonfire. Their spirits are high, hoping that the showdown this time will be final and victorious. It does not matter to them whether there will be bloodshed or if the nation faces ruin.

The red-shirt battle cry this time came from a rogue junior Army general, and a number of retired military officers on the payroll of fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra. They don't mind being branded traitors. The tidy sum from the man in exile is considered worthwhile.

The other day, the rogue soldier, commonly known as "Seh Daeng" warned that the battle this time will be open, with advance warning when shots will be fired upon the enemy, or whoever dares to move against the joint push for power at the command of Thaksin.

"Seh Daeng", Major General Khattiya Sawasdiphol, is a self-styled warrior, seeking the full blaze of publicity. He commands a group of militia being given political indoctrination as well as basic arms training.

The person who supports the reds says he is level headed

From the man so Yellow that Yellow people would be ashamed at how un-Yellow they look when standing next to Super Yellow man.

So you supports the Reds right ?

Levelhead supports the reds

[noel2499rk]

Redshirt attacking people on BTS