webfact Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 EDITORIAL Another setback for Thailand's rights reputation The Nation BANGKOK: -- A new report by Human Rights Watch says that much more needs to be done to end the authorities' culture of impunity in the deep South and elsewhere in the country A few years ago a European government translated a manual into Yawee (a Malay dialect written in Arabic text), among other languages. The booklet was designed for human rights defenders working in Thailand, including the deep South, where Malay is spoken and Yawee is taught in private Islamic and public elementary schools. But bureaucrats at the Foreign Ministry and Government House got upset about it and scolded the international community, accusing the Europeans of sticking their noses in where they don't belong. The logic behind their argument was not very clear, but what was clear was the racist and ethnocentric attitude that officials in Bangkok have over the Malay Muslims in the southernmost provinces, a restive region where an ongoing separatist insurgency has claimed more than 5,000 lives, most of them local Malays, since 2004. The establishment still doesn't seem to understand that it is such a racist attitude from the Thai side that gave birth to the armed insurgency and keeps it going to this day, with no end in sight. Have these bureaucrats and politicians ever asked themselves how the Thai State and the Malays of Patani were able to live together for 60 years after the annexation that took place at the turn of the century? The separatist insurgency didn't surface until the late 1960s. But instead of looking back to see what went wrong, we continue with the same racist attitude and half-baked development policies that are supposed to win the local Malays over to the side of the state. Well, these policies have not succeeded. And it has become increasingly embarrassing for Bangkok to keep going to Muslim countries in Asean, urging them to help Thailand by fending off the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC). The pitch to these countries goes something along this line: The Thai State has done all it can to provide for the Muslims in the deep South, but they simply do not appreciate the generosity of the state. The fact is that ordinary Malays in the deep South may or may not agree with the militants and their brutal methods, but they are not going to turn these young men in to the authorities. And the reason is because they share the same sentiment and mistrust towards the state. And the billions in development money? Well, the vast majority of it goes to the military for their expenditure and government development projects that do little in terms of winning hearts and minds. The Thai government tends to huff and puff when members of the international community say something about the handling of the conflict, not to mention the culture of impunity, in the deep South. And yet Thailand still signs this or that convention vowing to protect the rights of its citizens. The New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) just days ago released its annual report, and Thailand is not spared. "The human rights situation in Thailand deteriorated in 2011 as the government failed to address impunity for human rights abuses by security forces," HRW's World Report 2012 stated boldly in the first line of its press statement. These abuses are not confined to the South, but are also apparent in the rest of the country. Moreover, despite public assurances, the government has provided little support to the independent inquiry being conducted by the Truth for Reconciliation Commission of Thailand into politically motivated violence, the report said. And while the government pushes the police to make progress in the investigations of 13 murder cases on the Mekong River in which soldiers have been implicated, unfortunately the administration doesn't seem to be as interested in 12 murder cases that preliminary investigations by the Justice Ministry's Department of Special Investigation (DSI) found were connected to attacks by armed red-shirt elements. "The new government came to power promising justice to victims of the violence in 2010," HRW's Brad Adams said. "Yet it has done nothing to reassure those victims that it will do more than previous governments to hold accountable the people responsible for abuses." Like it or not, the government will have to learn how to engage with the international community in a more sensible manner. Wrapping oneself in the nation's flag and screaming "sovereignty" is not an answer. -- The Nation 2012-01-25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Human Rights Watch 2012 Report Accountability for Political Violence The status of investigations into alleged crimes by UDD “Black Shirt” militants remained unclear, with the Yingluck government denying the group’s existence. A number of those accused of deadly attacks against soldiers, police officers, and anti-UDD groups were released on bail. The election of 12 senior UDD leaders as ruling Pheu Thai Party members of parliament raised serious concerns that they would be able to use their political influence and parliamentary immunity to evade accountability for their role in the 2010 violence. Yingluck promised full support for the work of the Truth for Reconciliation Commission of Thailand (TRCT), established by the government of Abhisit Vejjajiva to look into the political violence, but has yet to grant the TRCT subpoena power, rendering it unable to obtain complete information about security force deployment plans and operations, autopsy reports, witness testimony, photos, and military and police video footage. Anti-Narcotics Policy Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm announced in September that the government would respect human rights and due process when implementing anti-narcotics policy, but flatly denied any official involvement in the more than 2,800 extrajudicial killings that accompanied then Prime Minister Thaksin’s 2003 “war on drugs.” Starting in September the Yingluck government set a target to “rehabilitate” 400,000 drug users within one year. There was little change in the government practice of arbitrarily arresting drug users and detaining them in compulsory drug “rehabilitation” centers, mostly run by the military and the Interior Ministry, where the ostensible treatment is based on military-style physical exercise. Routinely detained in prison prior to compulsory rehabilitation, detainees get little or no medical assistance for drug withdrawal symptoms. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurofiend Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Human Rights Watch 2012 Report Accountability for Political Violence The status of investigations into alleged crimes by UDD “Black Shirt” militants remained unclear, with the Yingluck government denying the group’s existence. A number of those accused of deadly attacks against soldiers, police officers, and anti-UDD groups were released on bail. The election of 12 senior UDD leaders as ruling Pheu Thai Party members of parliament raised serious concerns that they would be able to use their political influence and parliamentary immunity to evade accountability for their role in the 2010 violence. Yingluck promised full support for the work of the Truth for Reconciliation Commission of Thailand (TRCT), established by the government of Abhisit Vejjajiva to look into the political violence, but has yet to grant the TRCT subpoena power, rendering it unable to obtain complete information about security force deployment plans and operations, autopsy reports, witness testimony, photos, and military and police video footage. Anti-Narcotics Policy Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm announced in September that the government would respect human rights and due process when implementing anti-narcotics policy, but flatly denied any official involvement in the more than 2,800 extrajudicial killings that accompanied then Prime Minister Thaksin’s 2003 “war on drugs.” Starting in September the Yingluck government set a target to “rehabilitate” 400,000 drug users within one year. There was little change in the government practice of arbitrarily arresting drug users and detaining them in compulsory drug “rehabilitation” centers, mostly run by the military and the Interior Ministry, where the ostensible treatment is based on military-style physical exercise. Routinely detained in prison prior to compulsory rehabilitation, detainees get little or no medical assistance for drug withdrawal symptoms. you can't believe anything from that tho, can you? Yingluck Shinawatra, younger sister of exiled former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, won a landslide victory in July 2011 elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Rights reputation? And what reputation would this be? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Human Rights Watch 2012 Report Accountability for Political Violence The status of investigations into alleged crimes by UDD “Black Shirt” militants remained unclear, with the Yingluck government denying the group’s existence. A number of those accused of deadly attacks against soldiers, police officers, and anti-UDD groups were released on bail. The election of 12 senior UDD leaders as ruling Pheu Thai Party members of parliament raised serious concerns that they would be able to use their political influence and parliamentary immunity to evade accountability for their role in the 2010 violence. Yingluck promised full support for the work of the Truth for Reconciliation Commission of Thailand (TRCT), established by the government of Abhisit Vejjajiva to look into the political violence, but has yet to grant the TRCT subpoena power, rendering it unable to obtain complete information about security force deployment plans and operations, autopsy reports, witness testimony, photos, and military and police video footage. Anti-Narcotics Policy Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm announced in September that the government would respect human rights and due process when implementing anti-narcotics policy, but flatly denied any official involvement in the more than 2,800 extrajudicial killings that accompanied then Prime Minister Thaksin’s 2003 “war on drugs.” Starting in September the Yingluck government set a target to “rehabilitate” 400,000 drug users within one year. There was little change in the government practice of arbitrarily arresting drug users and detaining them in compulsory drug “rehabilitation” centers, mostly run by the military and the Interior Ministry, where the ostensible treatment is based on military-style physical exercise. Routinely detained in prison prior to compulsory rehabilitation, detainees get little or no medical assistance for drug withdrawal symptoms. you can't believe anything from that tho, can you? Yes, I can believe the above, same as I can believe the below. Freedom of Media Critics of Yingluck and the Pheu Thai Party, such as Jermsak Pinthong and TNews group, lost contracts with the government-controlled National Broadcasting Services of Thailand (NBT) to produce television and radio news analysis programs broadcast nationally. . Edited January 25, 2012 by Buchholz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Rights group: Thai human rights record failed to improve in 2011 Bangkok - Thailand's human rights situation worsened in 2011, despite the election of a popular new government in July, Human Rights Watch said Sunday in its World Report 2012. The government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has largely failed to fulfil its pledges to make human rights a priority, stated the report, which highlighted a widening crackdown on freedom of expression and little progress in accounting for more than 90 deaths in political violence in 2010. Yingluck's government was also blasted for making little progress in accounting for the 92 people who died and 2,000 others who were injured in the bloody street protests that rocked Bangkok in April-May of 2010, except in cases involving protesters who were supportive of the current government, Human Rights Watch said. "The new government's accountability effort focused on the 2010 violence has been sadly one-sided," said the report. Continues: http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/asiapacific/news/article_1686770.php/Rights-group-Thai-human-rights-record-failed-to-improve-in-2011 Deutsche Presse-Agentur (DPA) . Edited January 25, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javabear Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 "The separatist insurgency didn't surface until the late 1960s." Gee, that sounds like just about the same time when Muslim Radical Fundamentalists started getting violent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 "The separatist insurgency didn't surface until the late 1960s." Gee, that sounds like just about the same time when Muslim Radical Fundamentalists started getting violent. Hey bear, don't look at the big picture, it will confuse the Human Rights Weenies. The reason for the insurgency has to be the lack of respect for muslim culture by the RTA. It is anti-PC to point out that the troops wouldn't be there if there wasn't an insurgency. For a bigger picture, try this http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=11356 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Exclusionary, elite attitude, nothing exists unless it is Thai. Or Thainess sets us apart and makes us "special." You are not Thai. You don't have the same right of passage. The problem is that the muslims of the south are Thai by naturalization, a force greater than any Thainess. Thais need to get out of their own way, move aside, go with the flow and stop resisting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Exclusionary, elite attitude, nothing exists unless it is Thai. Or Thainess sets us apart and makes us "special." You are not Thai. You don't have the same right of passage. The problem is that the muslims of the south are Thai by naturalization, a force greater than any Thainess. Thais need to get out of their own way, move aside, go with the flow and stop resisting. Whereas the attitude of the muslims is much better - Asked if there was anything he wanted to say to families who lost relatives in the bomb blast, Mr Bashir said: "My message to the families is please convert to Islam as soon as possible." He offered no sympathy for those who died; just his belief that by converting to Islam, the survivors could ensure they would avoid the fate of those non-Muslims who died and went to hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdoom6996 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Rights reputation? And what reputation would this be? Rights? Even Thai's have no rights with this government. And that is what the reputation of this government. BAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Exclusionary, elite attitude, nothing exists unless it is Thai. Or Thainess sets us apart and makes us "special." You are not Thai. You don't have the same right of passage. The problem is that the muslims of the south are Thai by naturalization, a force greater than any Thainess. Thais need to get out of their own way, move aside, go with the flow and stop resisting. Oh, you espouse turning the other cheek? That is one of the truest proverbs every written, "He who turns the other cheek gets hit with the other fist." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolas18 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Is it International Bigot Day again? dam_n... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Another Setback For Thailand's Rights Reputation Thai Media Report: Clashes Along Thai-Cambodian Border; 1 Injured INN is reporting that clashes are taking place between Thai and Cambodian forces near the Ta Muern Kwai Temple in Surin Province. One Thai soldier is reportedly injured. -- Tan Network 1 minute ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 An offensive post has been removed as well as the replies to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chivo Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Sorry but they are hacking to death innocent Buddhist monks and defenseless school teachers. They don't deserve anything. Stop being so politically correct that you miss the extreme and heartless violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintermute Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Sorry but they are hacking to death innocent Buddhist monks and defenseless school teachers. They don't deserve anything. Stop being so politically correct that you miss the extreme and heartless violence. It's amazing how soft and pliant the west gets when it's time to discuss the implications of islamofascism. Europe is in its death throes as we speak being converted year by year into Eurabia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtom Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Sorry but they are hacking to death innocent Buddhist monks and defenseless school teachers. They don't deserve anything. Stop being so politically correct that you miss the extreme and heartless violence. Does Krue Se (sp) and Tak Bai say anything to you? Or the other countless victims of military and paramilitary killings in the south? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Yes, but long before the brave and determined Red Shirts managed to overthrow the military installed "Democrat" Puppet Junta here (thanks in part to their courageous occupation of Bangkok) things were a lot worse, might I add. With over 11.000 Extra judicial killings and political assassinations under its belt since 1947, the benevolent and compassionate State has indeed revealed its true colours: http://robinlea.com/pub/73855188-60-Years-of-Oppression-in-Thailand.pdf http://www.scribd.com/doc/73855188/60-Years-of-Oppression-in-Thailand http://www.mediafire.com/?526t4f5qdik2kr5 Not to mention that from 2008 to 2011 the Abhisit government oversaw the closure of more than 1,000 websites, a satellite television station, online television channels, printed publications, and more than 40 community radio stations. It also blocked tens of thousands of websites in a regime of censorship deeper than at any time since 1976-77. THAILAND’s total prison population, including pretrial detainees and remand prisoners, is 224,292 (01.03.11) in 142 prisons which have an official capacity for 105,748 prisoners. This makes 328 prisoners /100 000 of national population. Pre-trial and remand prisoners make up 26.6 % of the prison population. Female prisoners make 14.6 % of the prison population, which is a figure second only to Kuwait. 1 United States of America 2,266,832 2 China 1,650,000 3 Russian Federation 763,700 4 Brazil 513,802 5 India 376,969 6 Iran 250,000 7 Thailand 224,292 http://www.prisonstudies.org/info/worldbrief/wpb_country.php?country=114 Plus ca change! Proudhon, as usual would be turning in his grave: To be governed is to be watched over, inspected, spied on, directed, legislated at, regulated, docketed, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, assessed, weighed, censored, ordered about, by men who have neither the right, nor the knowledge, nor the virtue. ... To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under the pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality. Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in Idée Générale de la Révolution au XIXe Siècle [The General Idea of the Revolution] (1851) http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pierre-Joseph_Proudhon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 A profanity post has been removed. 3) Not to post in a manner that is vulgar, obscene or profane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Yes, but long before the brave and determined Red Shirts managed to overthrow the military installed "Democrat" Puppet Junta here (thanks in part to their courageous occupation of Bangkok) things were a lot worse, might I add.With over 11.000 Extra judicial killings and political assassinations under its belt since 1947, the benevolent and compassionate State has indeed revealed its true colours: http://robinlea.com/pub/73855188-60-Years-of-Oppression-in-Thailand.pdf http://www.scribd.com/doc/73855188/60-Years-of-Oppression-in-Thailand http://www.mediafire.com/?526t4f5qdik2kr5 Not to mention that from 2008 to 2011 the Abhisit government oversaw the closure of more than 1,000 websites, a satellite television station, online television channels, printed publications, and more than 40 community radio stations. It also blocked tens of thousands of websites in a regime of censorship deeper than at any time since 1976-77. THAILAND’s total prison population, including pretrial detainees and remand prisoners, is 224,292 (01.03.11) in 142 prisons which have an official capacity for 105,748 prisoners. This makes 328 prisoners /100 000 of national population. Pre-trial and remand prisoners make up 26.6 % of the prison population. Female prisoners make 14.6 % of the prison population, which is a figure second only to Kuwait. 1 United States of America 2,266,832 2 China 1,650,000 3 Russian Federation 763,700 4 Brazil 513,802 5 India 376,969 6 Iran 250,000 7 Thailand 224,292 http://www.prisonstudies.org/info/worldbrief/wpb_country.php?country=114 Plus ca change! Proudhon, as usual would be turning in his grave: To be governed is to be watched over, inspected, spied on, directed, legislated at, regulated, docketed, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, assessed, weighed, censored, ordered about, by men who have neither the right, nor the knowledge, nor the virtue. ... To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under the pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality. Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in Idée Générale de la Révolution au XIXe Siècle [The General Idea of the Revolution] (1851) http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pierre-Joseph_Proudhon And the current government are spending a fortune to keep that censorship going. It doesn't look like the red shirts achieved much. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Yes, but long before the brave and determined Red Shirts managed to overthrow the military installed "Democrat" Puppet Junta here (thanks in part to their courageous occupation of Bangkok) things were a lot worse, might I add.With over 11.000 Extra judicial killings and political assassinations under its belt since 1947, the benevolent and compassionate State has indeed revealed its true colours: http://robinlea.com/...in-Thailand.pdf http://www.scribd.co...ion-in-Thailand http://www.mediafire...526t4f5qdik2kr5 Not to mention that from 2008 to 2011 the Abhisit government oversaw the closure of more than 1,000 websites, a satellite television station, online television channels, printed publications, and more than 40 community radio stations. It also blocked tens of thousands of websites in a regime of censorship deeper than at any time since 1976-77. THAILAND’s total prison population, including pretrial detainees and remand prisoners, is 224,292 (01.03.11) in 142 prisons which have an official capacity for 105,748 prisoners. This makes 328 prisoners /100 000 of national population. Pre-trial and remand prisoners make up 26.6 % of the prison population. Female prisoners make 14.6 % of the prison population, which is a figure second only to Kuwait. 1 United States of America 2,266,832 2 China 1,650,000 3 Russian Federation 763,700 4 Brazil 513,802 5 India 376,969 6 Iran 250,000 7 Thailand 224,292 http://www.prisonstu...php?country=114 Plus ca change! Proudhon, as usual would be turning in his grave: To be governed is to be watched over, inspected, spied on, directed, legislated at, regulated, docketed, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, assessed, weighed, censored, ordered about, by men who have neither the right, nor the knowledge, nor the virtue. ... To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under the pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality. Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in Idée Générale de la Révolution au XIXe Siècle [The General Idea of the Revolution] (1851) http://en.wikiquote....Joseph_Proudhon And the current government are spending a fortune to keep that censorship going. It doesn't look like the red shirts achieved much. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Give them time to replace certain dangerous people in high positions and perhaps they will. Edited January 25, 2012 by soylentgreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 And the current government are spending a fortune to keep that censorship going. It doesn't look like the red shirts achieved much. Give them time to replace certain dangerous people in high positions and perhaps they will. That's been Thaksin's plan all along - get his own dangerous people in high positions. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrysteve Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 It would appear that the human rights record of any country is squeeky clean. what is the old saying, people that live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Yes, but long before the brave and determined Red Shirts managed to overthrow the military installed "Democrat" Puppet Junta here (thanks in part to their courageous occupation of Bangkok) things were a lot worse, might I add. With over 11.000 Extra judicial killings and political assassinations under its belt since 1947, the benevolent and compassionate State has indeed revealed its true colours: http://robinlea.com/...in-Thailand.pdf http://www.scribd.co...ion-in-Thailand http://www.mediafire...526t4f5qdik2kr5 Not to mention that from 2008 to 2011 the Abhisit government oversaw the closure of more than 1,000 websites, a satellite television station, online television channels, printed publications, and more than 40 community radio stations. It also blocked tens of thousands of websites in a regime of censorship deeper than at any time since 1976-77. THAILAND’s total prison population, including pretrial detainees and remand prisoners, is 224,292 (01.03.11) in 142 prisons which have an official capacity for 105,748 prisoners. This makes 328 prisoners /100 000 of national population. Pre-trial and remand prisoners make up 26.6 % of the prison population. Female prisoners make 14.6 % of the prison population, which is a figure second only to Kuwait. 1 United States of America 2,266,832 2 China 1,650,000 3 Russian Federation 763,700 4 Brazil 513,802 5 India 376,969 6 Iran 250,000 7 Thailand 224,292 http://www.prisonstu...php?country=114 Plus ca change! Proudhon, as usual would be turning in his grave: To be governed is to be watched over, inspected, spied on, directed, legislated at, regulated, docketed, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, assessed, weighed, censored, ordered about, by men who have neither the right, nor the knowledge, nor the virtue. ... To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under the pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality. Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in Idée Générale de la Révolution au XIXe Siècle [The General Idea of the Revolution] (1851) http://en.wikiquote....Joseph_Proudhon Off with their heads! Bring on the anarchy - or don't you realise that is what you are proposing? Should Thailand mimic France and undergo more than 20 years of bloody turmoil to achieve your political aims? And while you preach about extra-judicial killings, could you comment on the administration where they reached an outstanding peak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Yes, but long before the brave and determined Red Shirts managed to overthrow the military installed "Democrat" Puppet Junta here (thanks in part to their courageous occupation of Bangkok) things were a lot worse, might I add. With over 11.000 Extra judicial killings and political assassinations under its belt since 1947, the benevolent and compassionate State has indeed revealed its true colours: http://robinlea.com/...in-Thailand.pdf http://www.scribd.co...ion-in-Thailand http://www.mediafire...526t4f5qdik2kr5 Not to mention that from 2008 to 2011 the Abhisit government oversaw the closure of more than 1,000 websites, a satellite television station, online television channels, printed publications, and more than 40 community radio stations. It also blocked tens of thousands of websites in a regime of censorship deeper than at any time since 1976-77. THAILAND’s total prison population, including pretrial detainees and remand prisoners, is 224,292 (01.03.11) in 142 prisons which have an official capacity for 105,748 prisoners. This makes 328 prisoners /100 000 of national population. Pre-trial and remand prisoners make up 26.6 % of the prison population. Female prisoners make 14.6 % of the prison population, which is a figure second only to Kuwait. 1 United States of America 2,266,832 2 China 1,650,000 3 Russian Federation 763,700 4 Brazil 513,802 5 India 376,969 6 Iran 250,000 7 Thailand 224,292 http://www.prisonstu...php?country=114 Plus ca change! Proudhon, as usual would be turning in his grave: To be governed is to be watched over, inspected, spied on, directed, legislated at, regulated, docketed, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, assessed, weighed, censored, ordered about, by men who have neither the right, nor the knowledge, nor the virtue. ... To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under the pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality. Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in Idée Générale de la Révolution au XIXe Siècle [The General Idea of the Revolution] (1851) http://en.wikiquote....Joseph_Proudhon Off with their heads! Bring on the anarchy - or don't you realise that is what you are proposing? Should Thailand mimic France and undergo more than 20 years of bloody turmoil to achieve your political aims? And while you preach about extra-judicial killings, could you comment on the administration where they reached an outstanding peak? We brave few do not need the guillotine, the firing squads and the infernal machines anymore, now we have zee Internet and zee mobile phones The time of the tyrants has gone, their dark deeds will end in the refuse tip of history, but not before we have done some dumpster diving. Please feel free to expose the evils of which you speak. The world awaits with hungry eyes and vengeful hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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