webfact Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Fugitive Former Premier Promises to Return to Thailand in Full Glory SURIN: -- Fugitive former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra informed his red shirt supporters through a phone call that he would eventually return to Thailand in full glory. Deposed Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra delivered a message through a phone call on March 23 to a meeting of about 300 northeastern red shirt supporters from 20 provinces who gathered at the office of Pheu Thai MP for Surin, Teeyai Poonsrithanakul, in Surin's Rattanaburi District. On this occasion, Thaksin predicted about the red shirts' political standpoint in the future, reiterating that he will field the red shirts in future elections of local administrative organizations. Meanwhile, Thaksin said the Pheu Thai government was working hard to help the red shirt rally victims affected by the 2010 political crackdown under the Abhisit administration. He stated that the government is managing to compensate the demonstrators with immediate and permanent rehabilitation measures. In the meantime, Thaksin called on the red shirt detainees to be patient, saying that he is negotiating with the judges to help them. In the event that the government has no money to bail out red shirts, he will use his own money to bail everyone out. The ex-leader also urged the red shirts not to take aggressive action against the Opposition Party but to express their willingness for negotiation to foster national reconciliation. Moreover, he invited his red shirt supporters to meet him in Laos and Cambodia, saying he would be in Lao's capital, Vientiane, on April 12 and 13, and in Cambodia’s Siem Reap on April 14 and 15. In addition, Thaksin reaffirmed he has no intention of returning from self-exile in accordance with the plan set out by Kwanchai Praipana, saying he would soon make a glorious return to Thailand. Thaksin forecasted that the Pheu Thai Party would win all eight MP seats for Buriram Province in the next general election. -- Tan Network 2012-03-26 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Quite a political collection of issues. All pretty incendiary. Seems like we had better batten down the hatches if he does return in "full glory". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Thaksin Promises To Return To Thailand In Full Glory This little outfit should attract more Red Shirt fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalgaryII Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 "Thaksin forecasted that the Pheu Thai Party would win all eight MP seats for Buriram Province in the next general election". If local developments are an indication, the BJT show signs of 'making nice' with the PTP. Is that the case in Buriram as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beammeup Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 In the event that the government has no money to bail out red shirts, he will use his own money to bail everyone out. Maybe they should cancel the tablets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post animatic Posted March 26, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) The ex-leader also urged the red shirts not to take aggressive action against the Opposition Party but to express their willingness for negotiation to foster national reconciliation. Agressive action??? Not exactly the words of reconciliation. Thaksin somehow imagines that 'Agression Is Peace.' It's right out of Orwell. WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH Agression Is Peace More like Carrot or Stick, we will harrass you if you don't agree to SHUT THE HELL UP. "And I believe that totalitarianism, if not fought against, could triumph again." - George Orwell Edited March 26, 2012 by animatic 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 In the event that the government has no money to bail out red shirts, he will use his own money to bail everyone out. Maybe they should cancel the tablets He has had all most two years to bail them out. If I remember correctly he did not even pay them all the money he had promised them. As soon as he figured out the terrorism was not helping him he cut their pay checks off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 The bashers may wish to go and listen to the actual statements in Thai. There seems to be a wee bit of latitude shown with the TAN translation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ableguy Posted March 26, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2012 This is one dangerous maniac he really should be in a mental hospital all hell will break loose if he ever does return , hullo Malaysia. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalgaryII Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 "The ex-leader also urged the red shirts not to take aggressive action against the Opposition Party but to express their willingness for negotiation to foster national reconciliation" Quite difficult to have a willingness for negotiation with ones' opposite, when that opposite is disdainful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted March 26, 2012 Author Share Posted March 26, 2012 Opposition Leader Slams Thaksin for Tampering with Court BANGKOK: -- The Opposition leader slams Thaksin Shinawatra for tampering the judicial system after the ousted former prime minister said his people are talking with the judges to help out in court cases against the red shirts. Opposition Democrat Party Leader Abhisit Vejjajiva accused deposed and self-exiled former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra of attempting to interfere with the judicial system after the latter made blatant remarks during his phone call to red-shirt supporters at a rally in Surin Province. The ex-premier said he has assigned Deputy Agriculture and Cooperatives Minister Natthawut Saikua and Pheu Thai Party list MP Jatuporn Phromphan to talk to the judges for help with court cases against red shirts. Thaksin also said he would come home soon. Abhisit called on the court to clarify its work process to the public to ensure transparency. He said Thaksin's action not only ruins the credibility of the justice system, but also adds more fuel to the unsettled political conflict. The Opposition leader also submitted an open letter to a group of researchers at the King Prachadipok's Institute asking them to withdraw its research report from the consideration of the House Committee on National Reconciliation. He claimed that the committee is trying to use national reconciliation as a pretext in order to wipe a slate clean for the convicted former prime minister without providing any solutions to the ongoing political problems to Thai society. Abhisit said if the amnesty bill is passed to absolve a convicted person of his crime, it means whoever in power could point right or wrong at will, which is not a democracy. Meanwhile, Jatuporn claimed Thaksin did not intend to disrespect the judicial system, but he meant to say that he would return to Thailand once he is convinced that the system is fair to him and not subjected to political influence. The Pheu Thai MP said the ex-premier is assessing the situation and he might set his return date soon. He confirmed that Thaksin will be in Laos and Cambodia during Songkran holidays. An activity reportedly will be held in Cambodia to welcome red-shirt supporters from Thailand who will attend the bathing ritual for their patron. -- Tan Network 2012-03-26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 The bashers may wish to go and listen to the actual statements in Thai. There seems to be a wee bit of latitude shown with the TAN translation. To be honest, I did wonder..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalgaryII Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 "Abhisit called on the court to clarify its work process to the public to ensure transparency. He said Thaksin's action not only ruins the credibility of the justice system, but also adds more fuel to the unsettled political conflict". Elections have essentially settled political conflict, with political disagreements continuing, as is the case in all Democracies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unkomoncents Posted March 26, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) And there's the announcement. He is circling, like a vulture, an injured animal. For those who think Thailand's political problems are a minor factor, take note: April and then October (traditional military reshuffles) will be the hot points...Thaksin is already licking his chops and working towards realization of his power. If you wanted money and power (and were fantastically wealthy and corrupt), wouldn't you do the same? He is a pragmatic parasite (just like American bankers). Watching politics in Thailand is like a superficial reading of Shakespeare: Everyone is screwing everyone, and, thanks to protectionist policies, the system is incredibly incestuous and materialistic...if only Marx's "masses" knew of their own condition (Big "T" is working on that, but I don't think it will help him in the end [oligarchy is rarely appealing, though Russians show a strong affinity]). Edited March 26, 2012 by Unkomoncents 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 So can we take it reconciliation is off the agenda now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kawaiimomo Posted March 26, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2012 - Using government (tax payers) money to bail them out? - Negotiating with the judges to help them? - Compensate demonstrators (again with tax-payers money)? He should spent some long years in jail, although I have no hope on that. Yes, he can use his own fraudulent money. Grr, makes me sick! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 The other newspaper outlines that the judges are saying Thaksin is not truthful when he is saying he is in talks with the judges to get bail-agreements for Red Shirts. Aimed to 'impress' the followers of his powers, but not connected to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted March 26, 2012 Author Share Posted March 26, 2012 Court Denies Red-Shirt Bail Talks with Thaksin BANGKOK: -- The court spokesperson denied bail talks with former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, saying legal action might be taken as the claim could hurt the credibility of the judicial system. Spokesperson for the Court of Justice Sitthisak Wanachakit denied claims by former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra that he is talking with judges about bails for detained red-shirt leaders and supporters. Sitthisak stressed that the court is free from outside influence and it will consider bails for each individual case according to the law and the existing criteria. He noted that the guarantee for bail may be assets belong to defendants, family members or any other persons. The court spokesman said bail application is subject to approval by judges in each case and that typically the approval rate is 80 percent. Sitthisak would not comment on whether Thaksin's remarks violates the law, saying that the court does not want to be involved in lawsuits. However, as such remarks could threaten the credibility of the justice system, the court will take appropriate measures as a response, starting with issuing warnings and clarifications. In the worst-case scenario, legal action will be taken. -- Tan Network 2012-03-26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 The bashers may wish to go and listen to the actual statements in Thai. There seems to be a wee bit of latitude shown with the TAN translation. no surprise there... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tlansford Posted March 26, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2012 The ex-leader also urged the red shirts not to take aggressive action against the Opposition Party but to express their willingness for negotiation to foster national reconciliation. Agressive action??? Not exactly the words of reconciliation. Thaksin somehow imagines that 'Agression Is Peace.' It's right out of Orwell. WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH Agression Is Peace More like Carrot or Stick, we will harrass you if you don't agree to SHUT THE HELL UP. "And I believe that totalitarianism, if not fought against, could triumph again." - George Orwell How does your post relate to that which you quoted from the article : "not to take aggressive action against the Opposition Party but to express their willingness for negotiation" (My emphasis) which IMO does sound like a reasonable first step. ?? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Not to overly parse the wording and the court's response... But the 2nd TAN report doesn't say Thaksin is talking to the judges... It says Thaksin has asked his dynamic duo of Jatuporn and Natthawut to strong arm the judges... Then of course the court spokesman denies Thaksin is talking to the judges. But as for the other two??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 The court spokesman said bail application is subject to approval by judges in each case and that typically the approval rate is 80 percent. Does anyone have up-to-date information on the number of 2010 protesters being released on bail? At the beginning of February, after the Justice Fund was increased, it was very close to zero % and all I've seen since is that the red shirt bail cases at the end of February (around 5) had all been rejected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Thaksin forecasted that the Pheu Thai Party would win all eight MP seats for Buriram Province in the next general election. In the recent provincial elections, PTP won only one seat. They've got their work ahead of them to win MP seats at the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 In the meantime, Thaksin called on the yellow shirt detainees to be patient, saying that he is negotiating with the judges to help them. In the event that the government has no money to bail out yellow shirts, he will use his own money to bail everyone out. Thaksin go to hell!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jerrysteve Posted March 26, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2012 Full Glory would be in a full dress prison uniform, but then again, this is Thailand! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 In the meantime, Thaksin called on the yellow shirt detainees to be patient, saying that he is negotiating with the judges to help them. In the event that the government has no money to bail out yellow shirts, he will use his own money to bail everyone out. Thaksin go to hell!!!!!! How many yellow shirts are waiting to get out on bail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pimay11 Posted March 26, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2012 In the meantime, Thaksin called on the red shirt detainees to be patient, saying that he is negotiating with the judges to help them. A convicted felon on the lamb negotiating with the judges about the release of charged terrorists in the country he is running from. You just can't make this stuff up. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilDrSomkid Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Word on the ground is he will return sometime in May. Or following a MAJOR tragic event which will rock the country to its roots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepi2005 Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 There is not one single month without something happening in Thailand that stalls this countries' development. Usually it's the so-called 'big people' who are responsible for it, the greedy ones who try to eat away everything that's on the table and just leave the crumbs for the poor to fight over. It's disgusting how they play with people's future, hard worked-for assets and naive believe that their politicians are working for them rather than purely for themselves (in Thailand, that includes 'family' as we know). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phomsanuk Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 ala Caesar or more like palm sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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