siampreggers Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 So it seems. http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/08/epa-document-reveals-2013-kawasaki-ninja-300-636cc-zx-6r/ An EPA document listing motorcycle emission data for 2013 has revealed details of the new, American market-oriented Kawasaki Ninja 300 and a return to 636cc capacity for the 2013 Kawasaki ZX-6R. That new Ninja is powered by a 296cc parallel twin developing 39bhp at 11,000rpm, a marked improvement from the current model’s 31bhp figure and significantly more than the bike’s closest rival, the 26bhp Honda CBR250R. The 300 does appear to be fuel-injected, also a welcome upgrade from the carb’d 250 that’s been sold in the US. The new, 636cc ZX-6R will make 129bhp, which should make it the most powerful “600″ on sale next year. We’ve previously seen spy shots of the 2013 Kawasaki ZX-6R (it looks like a facelift of the current model) and the 2013 Kawasaki Ninja 250 was just officially unveiled. It’s likely the 300 will ape that model’s styling, because there’s no tiered-licensing laws in the US, Kawasaki is free to punch the engine out for a little more power. Recently, the CBR250R has captured more than half the Ninja’s market share; it was previously the 5th best selling motorcycle of any type in the US. The Ninja 400 (a sleeved 650 that somehow makes insurance sense in Canadia, meh) has been listed on this document in previous years, but hasn’t been brought to the US. There’s also mention of the Versys 1000, but it’s also unclear if this means that model will make it to these shores. You can download the full spreadsheet here. See anything else of interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 If they're bumping up the CC and HP of the 250cc ninjette in some markets that would certainly be interesting. Or a whole new bike? Or just a mistake? Looks like there could be a real old fashioned slugout between Honda and Kawa at the bottom end of the CC market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Photos and information of the new 2013 Ninja 250 didn't seem like enough for me to get rid of my 2 year old Ninja 250 however a 300 ninja just might do that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 Some quick searching on google and looks like this could be sold in the US and Europe instead of the Ninja 250. Don't know about the rest of Europe but doesn't the UK have a 33HP licensing law for beginners. Will just have to wait and see. Certainly an interesting development in the CBR250/Ninja 250 War. If it's the same bike as the 250 as reported I wonder how much the upgrade parts would cost.... probably the same as just buying a nearly new 650 I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbin Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 So, Kawasaki has seen their sales of the Ninja 250 drop by more than 50% since the introduction of the Honda CBR 250... This is (presumably, and I feel safe presuming in this instance) in a market (USA) where the CBR 250 enjoys no price advantage! Sorry, gotta do it... Told ya so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 So, Kawasaki has seen their sales of the Ninja 250 drop by more than 50% since the introduction of the Honda CBR 250... This is (presumably, and I feel safe presuming in this instance) in a market (USA) where the CBR 250 enjoys no price advantage! Sorry, gotta do it... Told ya so. Honda's CBR250R has certainly been a boot up Kawa's ass! Next move Honda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 So, Kawasaki has seen their sales of the Ninja 250 drop by more than 50% since the introduction of the Honda CBR 250... This is (presumably, and I feel safe presuming in this instance) in a market (USA) where the CBR 250 enjoys no price advantage! Sorry, gotta do it... Told ya so. but cbr 250 in USA holds the advantage of being a new designed higher tech machine for the same price. 250 ninja does not have fuel injection there for example. 300 cc ninja is a good idea, 400 - er6n/f i guess- is a better idea. Hope to see them in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowflake Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Yes, the CBR250 is newer than the Ninja 250, but the Ninja 250 had a headstart of the CBR... always an excuse? I think people should just realize that Honda knows what they are doing, their bikes might not be to all peoples taste, but they do have something that everyone could ride... Kawasaki is trying hard to outdo big brother, and who knows, maybe one day they will. I think that in Norway it is a limit on 33Hp as well (they have a low Hp for starters)- but I think that the icecicle I call home is just to small of a market for them to care... England, Europe in general??? Not sure- those Yanks like their small sportsbikes... Having owned the CBR250, I have to say that I am not surprised at all that it is stealing the market from the (Old school looking Ninja)- and lets face it, most people have to admit that the CBR is well built with new technology. The MPG is also amongst the best, so c'mon Kawa/Yama/suki... you can all do better... Will we get them here??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 Will we get them here??? Actually that's an interesting point. I automatically presumed that the new 2013 ninja 250 announced and unveiled in Indonesia a month ago would be the same for Thailand. Has anyone seen any promo for the 2013 Kawa range showing that they'll sell the 2013 250? Not here anyway. Wouldn't that add a bit of spice to market, the ninja 300 at say 170k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) I'd like to point out that the highest HP I've see from dynos on the Ninja 250 has been mid 26's...and that's on the carb'd model. Assuming that there's a similar 'exageration' from this rumoured Ninja 300, there's some 33 RWHP. Is that enough to squeak in under the limit for those countries with tiered liscensing? As far as upgrade pricing goes; you'd be looking at minimum new ecu, sleeves and pistons. I'd assume that Kawasaki would continue to go oversquare and leave the well proven bottom end alone. However, it could also require new heads, valves, cams, injectors, airbox, etc. Edited August 28, 2012 by dave_boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlos Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 There's been a thread over on Kawiforums about this for a week or so now. Seems it's nothing more than BS, the pics of the 300cc Ninja are poor Photoshop attempts with nothing much more than the addition of the headlights for the current ZX6R morphed on to it. 300cc is a possibility but it's going to be another 3 years (typical make over intervals) for Kawasaki to consider bumping up the cc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) There's been a thread over on Kawiforums about this for a week or so now. Seems it's nothing more than BS, the pics of the 300cc Ninja are poor Photoshop attempts with nothing much more than the addition of the headlights for the current ZX6R morphed on to it. There aren't any pics of it, besides the photoshop from some guy on the Kawiforums last week. Unless the EPA document is a photoshop or fake.... http://www.epa.gov/o.../13-mc-ctrr.xls Edited August 28, 2012 by siampreggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlos Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Seems odd that it has 50cc more yet produces the same bhp as the 250cc model... I can understand sleeving the 650 down to a 400 to meet regulations in some countries but to increase a bikes cylinder capacity and not to take advantage of it in anyway makes very little sense to me.... Yeah it should have a little more torque but for the bike to have the exact same BHP as the current 250 model is causing me to think it might be a misprint... But who knows, maybe there is a country out there that requires such a bike to have a minimum of 300cc (296cc) despite the fact the 250KLX is on that same sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlos Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) And then i found this... http://www.gaadi.com...aunched-in-2013 which completely contradicts the power figures on the spec sheet (assuming both are using the same power conversion and point of measurement. I understand it's expensive to own such a bike in India but to market a Ninja 300R and a Ninja 400R, with only 4BHP between the two is a little insane..... Something smells fishy with this whole thing, lots of speculation but all is see is the New 2013 Ninja250 which has recently been released in Indonesia, plenty of Youtube videos and writes ups about that model which is only 2-3 weeks old now. Edited August 28, 2012 by karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) The Ninja 300 as listed states 29kw. That = 39HP. I believe the 2008-12 Ninja 250 had 23.5kW. (31.5HP) Edited August 28, 2012 by siampreggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Remember that those figures thrown around are what the manufacturers rate them for. Standard driveline loss of ~12% sure doesn't make up the difference between multiple dyno runs and what the dealers want to trumpet. I'd assume the HP difference between the 300 and 400 are going to be more along the lines of 6+ HP...which still makes the 400 version a pretty bad buy unless you have to look like the ER-6* folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 And want your peak power at 9000rpm rather than 11000rpm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS1 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 if its really a 300cc....and if the stroke is kept the same, the bore size would only have to increase to 67.616mm from 62mm. with a redesigned head and higher compression piston in an effort to match the low end of the cbr 250...it looks feasible. The top end of course will continue to walk away from the cbr 250 like it always has. If the rumors about a 400cc from Honda is true...a Ninja 300 would be just that, a Ninja to kill the competition from the 250cc-400cc market. If a 300 comes out sign me up when i get back, regardless the new Ninja looks sexy as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted August 29, 2012 Author Share Posted August 29, 2012 If the rumors about a 400cc from Honda is true...a Ninja 300 would be just that, a Ninja to kill the competition from the 250cc-400cc market. It would be interesting. If Honda do come out with a fuel efficient mini-sports tourer 400/500 in the same guise as the CBR250. Lower revving and fuel efficient. If the N300 is released here Honda have to do something to combat the N300 and Er-6's. People found it odd that the new N250's release and promo was all done in Indonesia instead of Thailand... perhaps we have our answer why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted September 1, 2012 Author Share Posted September 1, 2012 Guess we'll find out soon enough. Sept. 13th the new Ninja's are taking over Times Square. http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/589/14124/Motorcycle-Article/2013-Kawasaki-Ninjas-Times-Square-Debut.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Well well well... The Ninja 300... officially going to be released in the UK and Canada. http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Ninja300 http://www.kawasaki.ca/model/STREET-TOURING/1518/Ninja-300 With and without ABS... Still no word of the 2013 N250 to be sold in Thailand? Perhaps we now know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) there's a good PDF fact/spec sheet on that UK kawa site linked above. They claim 39HP, how much HP did the 08-12 Ninja250 lose between the crank and the rear wheel? Wasn't it about 20-25%? Where do the UK's 33HP learner regulations take their reading from, RWHP? I suspect it will be a lot less than the high 30's in real world HP, unfortunately. Edited September 5, 2012 by siampreggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Australia can now be added along with Canada and the UK as officially getting the Ninja 300. http://www.kawasaki.com.au/ninja300/ Edit: And the rest of Europe. http://www.kawasaki.eu/Ninja300 So that's officially the UK and Europe, Australia and Canada. It's on the US EPA sheets but they're officially announcing their 2013 on Sept. 9th. With the refusal to announce the 2013 N250 would be released in Thailand when it was announced for Indo I think it's looking good for Thailand. Kawa Australia's official vid. Edited September 5, 2012 by siampreggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluestu Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 there's a good PDF fact/spec sheet on that UK kawa site linked above. They claim 39HP, how much HP did the 08-12 Ninja250 lose between the crank and the rear wheel? Wasn't it about 20-25%? Where do the UK's 33HP learner regulations take their reading from, RWHP? I suspect it will be a lot less than the high 30's in real world HP, unfortunately. It even has a slipper clutch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS1 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) ..............................................2013..............2012 Primary Reduction Ratio 3.087 (71/23)........... 3.087 (71/23) Gear Ratio: 1st 2.714 (38/14)...........2.600 (39/15) Gear Ratio: 2nd 1.789 (34/19).........,.1.789 (34/19) Gear Ratio: 3rd 1.409 (31/22)...........1.409 (31/22) Gear Ratio: 4th 1.160 (29/25)...........1.160 (29/25) Gear Ratio: 5th 1.000 (27/27)...........1.000 (27/27) Gear Ratio: 6th .857 (24/28).............0.893 (25/28) Final Reduction Ratio 3.000 (42/14)...........3.214 (45/14) weight 172 kg 170 kg fuel 17 liters 18 liters (some sites say 17 liters) wheelbase 1405mm 1400mm rear tire 140/70-17 130/70-17 seat height 785mm 775mm rake 27degrees 26degrees trail 93mm 82mm THROTTLE BODY 32MM (x2)......vs......28MM (x2) ( ) STROKE 49MM.............vs...........41.2MMM ( x 2 = ) Looks very promising indeed ! Taken from: 2013 http://www.kawasaki..../1518/Ninja-300 2012 http://www.kawasaki....ons.aspx?id=553 CBR 250...... Edited September 5, 2012 by KRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Let's hope it's released in Thailand... Let the Honda V Kawa 300-500cc War begin. Honda aren't going to like this. Time to get their 400/500 together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 I'm starting to think this is going to be a CBR 250 killer across the powerband. Given that it's listed as having 50% more HP than the CBR250 I'd be surprised if it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 It’s official, this new Kawasaki Ninja 300 looks just like the new Ninja 250, but has one huge change under its newly-faired skin: an increase in stroke from 41.2 to 49mm ups engine capacity to 296cc. That means power grows from 31 to 39bhp and torque from 16 to 20lb/ft. There’s also ABS and even a slipper clutch, so not only will this new bike be faster, but it’ll be safer and easier to ride too. Full 24 page official PDF on the Ninja 300 here: http://issuu.com/hellforleather/docs/ninja_20300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS1 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I'm starting to think this is going to be a CBR 250 killer across the powerband. Given that it's listed as having 50% more HP than the CBR250 I'd be surprised if it wasn't. ....plus now there's a fuel guage, clock and dual trip inidcators! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampreggers Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 plus now there's a fuel guage, clock and dual trip inidcators! Thank you Honda for kicking them in the ass with the CBR250R! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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