Amnesty For Thai Politicians Opposed By Senators

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Amnesty for politicians opposed by senators

Khanittha Thepphajorn,

Prapasri Osathanon,

Anapat Deechuay

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Lawmakers are still divided over the amnesty draft proposed by the independent National Rule of Law Commission (NRLC) headed by Dr Ukrit Mongkolnavin.

newsjsAppointed Senator Paiboon Nititawan said yesterday he opposed the NRLC's amnesty draft on the grounds that Prime Minister Yingluck would be accused of supporting people who have committed lese majeste offences - such as Daranee Chanchoengsilapakul or Da Torpedo.

He said the amnesty bill should not pardon political office holders and former political office holders because they had not only joined the rallies but were protest leaders.

Appointed Senator Somchai Sawaengkarn suggested the government take into account suggestions from the Truth for Reconciliation Commission of Thailand on the amnesty bill and advice from Nicha Hiranburana, wife of Col Romklao Thuwatham, who was killed during the political rally.

Somchai said 30 suspects who allegedly committed serious crimes and were being detained at Bang Khen prison with special privileges should not be pardoned - such as those accused of firing RPG rockets like Banthit Sithitum and Surachai Thewarak who allegedly killed nine military officers, two police and 10 others.

Pheu Thai party-list MP Korkaew Pikulthong opposed Paiboon's proposal that political office holders should not be pardoned, saying the idea was a discrimination and unconstitutional. He said no political office holders were protest leaders or pulled strings behind the protest. "They might [have taken] to the rally stage but they did not take part in the rally as protest leaders," he said.

Deputy House Speaker Charoen Jankomol yesterday met with Pheu Thai leader Charupong Ruangsuwan. He said he had talked to Trairong Suwankiri of the Democrats. Charoen proposed two bills to Charupong.

-- The Nation 2013-02-12

[rubl]

Pheu Thai party-list MP Korkaew Pikulthong opposed Paiboon's proposal that political office holders should not be pardoned, saying the idea was a discrimination and unconstitutional. He said no political office holders were protest leaders or pulled strings behind the protest. "They might [have taken] to the rally stage but they did not take part in the rally as protest leaders," he said.

Those this mean that at least the Pheu Thai party list MPs who happen to be UDD leaders as well, were only present for the fun ?

[Locationthailand]

Goo think Jatuporn was ousted from parliament...

Korkaew Pikulthong said no political office holders were protest leaders or pulled strings behind the protest.

Selective memory?

[OzMick]

Korkaew - incredible, literally. Absolutely zero credibility.

[OzMick]

Hmmm, a chicken and egg problem here. Were the MPs at the protest leaders because they were MPs, or were the protest leaders MPs because they were protest leaders?

[muttley]

Somchai said 30 suspects who allegedly committed serious crimes and were being detained at Bang Khen prison with special privileges should not be pardoned - such as those accused of firing RPG rockets like Banthit Sithitum and Surachai Thewarak who allegedly killed nine military officers, two police and 10 others.

Well thats interesting, apparently ensconced in jail is the one person responsible for around 75% of the security forces deaths. Surely he can't be allegedly responsible, the judges have jailed him under those charges. Unless of course he has been jailed for just under 3 years waiting for bail?

Anyway if thats the truth, I really can't understand the approbrium of the posters on here about the UDD and, more importantly the lethal response approved by Abhisit that resulted in the deaths of 80 odd (70 odd if you believe that Surachai fired on friend as well as foe) innocent people because of the actions of 1 or 2 people?

So what were these 500 men in black doing whilst Rambo Surachai was on the loose?

[Buchholz]

Hmmm, a chicken and egg problem here. Were the MPs at the protest leaders because they were MPs, or were the protest leaders MPs because they were protest leaders?

In Korkaew's case, he was a Red Shirt Leader in a Red t-shirt

before he traded it in for a Red tie and suit and a Member of Parliament chair.

But rather than getting bogged down on who was what when..... the much bigger picture is should those with highly personal vested interests even be involved with deciding who does and who doesn't get amnesty?

Persons that potentially stand to return to faded beige and brown pajamas should have no place in the discussion.

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Edited February 12, 2013 by Buchholz

[coma]

If we start pardoning politician then we need to pardon everyone.

[maidu]

Pheu Thai party-list MP Korkaew Pikulthong opposed Paiboon's proposal that political office holders should not be pardoned, saying the idea was a discrimination and unconstitutional. He said no political office holders were protest leaders or pulled strings behind the protest. "They might [have taken] to the rally stage but they did not take part in the rally as protest leaders," he said.

Did he make that assertion without a giant grin on his face? If so, he should get an Oscar nomination.

[Nickymaster]

Somchai said 30 suspects who allegedly committed serious crimes and were being detained at Bang Khen prison with special privileges should not be pardoned - such as those accused of firing RPG rockets like Banthit Sithitum and Surachai Thewarak who allegedly killed nine military officers, two police and 10 others.

Well thats interesting, apparently ensconced in jail is the one person responsible for around 75% of the security forces deaths. Surely he can't be allegedly responsible, the judges have jailed him under those charges. Unless of course he has been jailed for just under 3 years waiting for bail?

Anyway if thats the truth, I really can't understand the approbrium of the posters on here about the UDD and, more importantly the lethal response approved by Abhisit that resulted in the deaths of 80 odd (70 odd if you believe that Surachai fired on friend as well as foe) innocent people because of the actions of 1 or 2 people?

So what were these 500 men in black doing whilst Rambo Surachai was on the loose?

Then the Red shirts and their black dressed friends must have accidentally killed more than 20 or so officials. They could be responsible for most of the 70 civilians too. Now it all makes sense.

I think I have solved your dilemma. Mind you there was much at stake, especially for TS and his clan.

Edited February 12, 2013 by Nickymaster

[Buchholz]

Somchai said 30 suspects who allegedly committed serious crimes and were being detained at Bang Khen prison with special privileges should not be pardoned - such as those accused of firing RPG rockets like Banthit Sithitum and Surachai Thewarak

Difficult to disagree with Somchai's examples of those not eligible for amnesty when considering the likes of Red Shirt M-79 Grenade Launcher Specialist Surachai Thewarak

and the mayhem he created with his skills

http://www.matichon....pid=00&catid=no

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Edited February 12, 2013 by Buchholz

[Pimay1]

Somchai said 30 suspects who allegedly committed serious crimes and were being detained at Bang Khen prison with special privileges should not be pardoned - such as those accused of firing RPG rockets like Banthit Sithitum and Surachai Thewarak who allegedly killed nine military officers, two police and 10 others

Such a peaceful group.

[Lite Beer]

Deputy House Speaker brokers agreement on amnesty bill, while 40 senators oppose

BANGKOK, 12 February 2013 (NNT) - First Deputy Speaker of the House of Representatives Chaoren Chankomol met with Puea Thai party leader Jarupong Ruangsuwan on Monday to propose and gather ideas on the amnesty bill. He earlier talked with the representatives from the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), and the Democrat party.

According to Mr Charoen, he told the Puea Thai leader that talks with various groups had suggested that the amnesty law should, firstly, grant immediate amnesty to ordinary participants of political protests while subjecting protest leaders' eligibility for amnesty to the consideration of an independent committee. Secondly, the law should take the form of a legal act to be passed by parliament, rather than a decree issued by the cabinet, he said.

Meanwhile, a group of 40 senators, most of whom appointed, expressed opposition to an amnesty law. They said the law drafts proposed so far had been vague as to who would be considered protest "participants" and who would be considered protest "leaders". In addition, the senators said they would oppose any law granting amnesty to lese-majeste prisoners.

So far three detailed versions of the amnesty law have been proposed by three groups - the Independent National Rule of Law Commission, the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), and the group of legal scholars called "Nitirat". All the three versions of the law would grant immediate amnesty to those convicted of violating the Emergency Decree excluding protest leaders and authorities who gave orders.

It is unclear whether any of the three proposed drafts would grant amnesty to lese-majeste prisoners although a legal scholar from Nitirat has suggested that lese-majeste prisoners should be considered "political prisoners", and, therefore, covered by the bill.

-- NNT 2013-02-12

[OzMick]

Somchai said 30 suspects who allegedly committed serious crimes and were being detained at Bang Khen prison with special privileges should not be pardoned - such as those accused of firing RPG rockets like Banthit Sithitum and Surachai Thewarak who allegedly killed nine military officers, two police and 10 others.

Well thats interesting, apparently ensconced in jail is the one person responsible for around 75% of the security forces deaths. Surely he can't be allegedly responsible, the judges have jailed him under those charges. Unless of course he has been jailed for just under 3 years waiting for bail?

Anyway if thats the truth, I really can't understand the approbrium of the posters on here about the UDD and, more importantly the lethal response approved by Abhisit that resulted in the deaths of 80 odd (70 odd if you believe that Surachai fired on friend as well as foe) innocent people because of the actions of 1 or 2 people?

So what were these 500 men in black doing whilst Rambo Surachai was on the loose?

That whole post is based on your inability to read and comprehend a reasonably simple English sentence. Let me help you.

"Somchai said 30 suspects who allegedly committed serious crimes and were being detained at Bang Khen prison with special privileges should not be pardoned - such as those accused of firing RPG rockets like Banthit Sithitum and Surachai Thewarak who allegedly killed nine military officers, two police and 10 others."

Not only are there 2 names mentioned, but the sentence is referring to both, and others.

As I don't usually teach remedial Reading and Comprehension, you should seek help from a qualified professional. Or remove the red goggles.

Edited February 12, 2013 by OzMick

[Robby nz]

Somchai said 30 suspects who allegedly committed serious crimes and were being detained at Bang Khen prison with special privileges should not be pardoned - such as those accused of firing RPG rockets like Banthit Sithitum and Surachai Thewarak who allegedly killed nine military officers, two police and 10 others

Why do they have special privilages?

[Buchholz]

Somchai said 30 suspects who allegedly committed serious crimes and were being detained at Bang Khen prison with special privileges should not be pardoned - such as those accused of firing RPG rockets like Banthit Sithitum and Surachai Thewarak who allegedly killed nine military officers, two police and 10 others

Why do they have special privileges?

Bang Khen is the newly remodeled prison for "political prisoners".

While it's certainly not the Sheraton, it is a lot less grim when compared to other prisons in Thailand.

Red Shirt Leader Jeng Dokjik (center) with his wife during a visit at Bang Khen prison

http://www.khaosod.c...EkxTURnMU5RPT0=

Quite why the likes of Red Shirt M-79 Grenade Launcher Specialist Surachai Thewarak is considered a political prisoner and confined there is unknown.

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Edited February 12, 2013 by Buchholz

[ballpoint]

Somchai said 30 suspects who allegedly committed serious crimes and were being detained at Bang Khen prison with special privileges should not be pardoned - such as those accused of firing RPG rockets like Banthit Sithitum and Surachai Thewarak who allegedly killed nine military officers, two police and 10 others

Why do they have special privileges?

Bang Khen is the newly remodeled prison for "political prisoners".

While it's certainly not the Sheraton, it is a lot less grim when compared to other prisons in Thailand.

Red Shirt Leader Jeng Dokjik (center) with his wife during a visit at Bang Khen prison

http://www.khaosod.c...EkxTURnMU5RPT0=

Quite why the likes of Red Shirt M-79 Grenade Launcher Specialist Surachai Thewarak is considered a political prisoner and confined there is unknown.

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"And, betwixt the both of them, they licked the platter clean"

[Gonsalviz]

In America they exempt themselves from the law.