Popular Post LivinLOS Posted January 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2014 Dithering ?? They should look at the Democrat Party if they want to see some serious dithering..The Democrats dithered so much they forgot to join the election. Nope, they quickly decided not to join in with the pointless pantomime. i guess it is pointless for them. .They cant seem to win one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 "The Abhisit government also declared a state of emergency, responding to the red-shirt protests. In that case, the military, after an initial delay, did step in to drive the red shirts from the Ratchaprasong area and end one of the bloodiest episodes in modern Thai history." in 2004 during Thaksin's term in office 78 prisoners died in custody in the Tak Bai incident. That would be almost as many as during the protests in 2010. Is that also one of the bloodiest episodes in Thai history? Or does the south not count? In 2003 Thaksin launched a war on drugs during which about 2,275 people were killed. At least that ended the drug trade in Thailand. Seems like a pretty bloody episode. I enjoy the irony that the PT government made sure that Suthep was charged with murder for the 2010 dispersal. I guess that means that there is no way for Yingluck to order a crackdown on the current protest without ensuring a murder charge of her own. Reds hate double standards. I guess she could if she is sure that there is another country to flee to in order to avoid prosecution. "that ended the drug trade in Thailand." Didn't even slow it down, just concentrated it into the "right"hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scamper Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) A fabulous article. Indeed, Chalerm's Six Pillars of a Moral Society - scribbled in an enthusiastic fit on the back of a whiskey napkin chaser in a moment of inebriated fervour - has met a sad end, leaving Chalerm with the only surviving product of his brain-child - the Pheu Thai election slogan - " Returning Happiness to Bangkokians ". And even that is a bitter pill as the realization sinks in that that reality rather inconveniently necessitates he and his administration's exit. Indeed, the military has been in a very bad spot, not that they ever felt anything other than extreme unease with Thaksin's ever stronger grip on the administration. I differ on one point with the writer of this article. I think Prayuth has acted appropriately. I think the cautiousness was absolutely correct. There is far more danger to appearing to act too quickly than in waiting. After all, all they had to do was wait until the administration did itself in. They appear to be uncommonly good at it. The courts will now pick up the pieces. There will be rulings on the quorum-less parliament, the rice scheme, the invoking of an emergency decree in a caretaker capacity, as well as various legislative acts of malfeasance. The army will be there when those rulings are given, and make sure that they are enforced. The army will only intervene - in my opinion - if there is a full-frontal assault on the protesters. But it is hard to imagine, however, that the Yingluck administration is not aware of that. The army's role will be to establish security, and unlike the police, they really will - and to make sure that the reforms are carried out peacefully between all the parties - including Pheu Thai ( or any alternate alias if they are disbanded for infractions ) - followed by a referendum and a national election. But most important, people will be able to go out, and make a resolution to breathe a deep breath of fresh air. There will be a special quality to it. It will be Thaksin-free. And that is the way forward for the country at last. Edited January 24, 2014 by Scamper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Dithering ?? They should look at the Democrat Party if they want to see some serious dithering..The Democrats dithered so much they forgot to join the election. Nope, they quickly decided not to join in with the pointless pantomime. i guess it is pointless for them. .They cant seem to win one. Because they refuse to BUY one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay49 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 It's a sick political society, of game playu, or powerplay, of self-centered elite politicians, who consider themselves above the people. " Some Thai are more equal than other Thai", it's a society from fiction books like Animal Farm and Brave New World. It's so unrealistic how people deal with eachother in 2014. It's childish, but also frightening. I hope people start talking, negotiating, compromising and looking for win-win solutions, and they exclude 'sick' political ego's from the 'battlefield'!! Chokdee Thai, this has taken much too long already!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The root of the problem is the puppet master along with his puppet Prime Minister and all the other ministerial puppets. The people are showing their feelings now and it is a reaction that has shocked Thaksin and his puppets . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHaa Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 What the hell is "Dithering"?........ its English, perhaps you should google it. Or maybe not. Yes, do. oh, wait ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antimedia Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 What the hell is "Dithering"?........ Got to be American! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brevity Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 " Yingluck dithers... ", now there's a headline to behold. At least they didn't call her a "blithering ditherer", even if she is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Historical precedent? All precedents are historical. But they are also examples of an action to follow, not of the likely outcome of an action already initiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tominbkk Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 " Yingluck dithers... ", now there's a headline to behold. I need a pic or vid or I don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thait Spot Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 What the hell is "Dithering"?........ its English, perhaps you should google it. Or maybe not. Yes, do. oh, wait ... Its also a photography term. Withering is probably a better term for this administration. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonbridgebrit Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 For God's sake, let's look at what the real problem actually is.Thailand IS a country where the majority of people are the rural poor or the urban poor. Off-course, there's loads of people who are 'poor' in the rural areas, and Bangkok is a place that has pretty big slums.Basically, most Thais (those who are poor) are better off under whatever Thaksin government there is. The people who want whatever Thaksin government out are claiming, that they want him out because he is corrupt (he is a criminal).But, it's very obvious, that's NOT the real reason why these people want him (actually, his sister) out. The so-called middle-class Thais (and the mega-rich ones as well) know that their tax money is being used to subsidise the poor. That's why they want the Thaksin party out. The middle-class Thais represent a minority in Thailand, surely, only about a fith or a quarter of the population. That's WHY the Democrat Party will NEVER win an election.Yes, Thaksin did do some corruption, but it still turns out most Thais know they're better off under his government. By the way, in Europe and America, there is FAR more equality in those places than in Thailand. Yes, the inequality in Thailand is massively greater than back home. That's because back home, tax is collected, and it's redistributed across society.Right, some people are convinced that things like the rice buying programme (okay, it's using tax-payers money to gaurantee farmers an above market price for their crop) will basically 'blow up in Yingluk's face'. Actually, they MIGHT be correct. Now, if YOU reckon that, fine. Why not just wait for the Thaksin government to slightly mess up the country, the Thai people get angry, and surely, the Thais are going to vote and REMOVE the Thaksin government by a democratic vote.But we all know, the Thaksin party is simply NOT messing this country up, most Thais are NOT angry with the present government. And that's WHY whatever Thaksin party will always win. We can have an election next month or next year, it's the same. The anti-Thaksinites know this, they can't win a democtatic vote. That's why they're trying to remove the present government by a non-democratric method.Thank you for reading ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 A naval coup. Would that be a first? Formerly known as gunboat diplomacy. With the HTMS Chakri Naruebet steaming up the Chao Praya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15Peter20 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 A naval coup. Would that be a first? The last time Thailand tried that, I believe the French sunk the Thai fleet. Ah, the Battle of Koh Chang. I remember it well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 A naval coup. Would that be a first? That could start a war with the Army I am afraid you are not realistic. There is 150% more chance of a war between the police and the armed forces, all of them, together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmicbkktxl Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 A naval coup. Would that be a first? That could start a war with the Army I am afraid you are not realistic. There is 150% more chance of a war between the police and the armed forces, all of them, together. The police is useless.Actually the police is pro Yingluk,but they are the "Royal Thai police" so they can't do much.War between Royal Thai army and Royal Thai police is impossible.Since Yingluk is stubborn the yellow colored courthouses in Thailand will find a way to kick Yingluk and PTP out[maybe for cooking in a tv show or for wearing make up because its advertising].After a few months Army goverment we will have again an appointed Yellow army and royalist friendly government.If the army will not kill all reds then they will come out again and we have another 2010.Maybe in 2017 we will have new elections with a new red PM and all the shit starts allover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Off topic posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borisloosebrain Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 She's a bit busy being probed right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badmedicine Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) What the hell is "Dithering"?........ You know when a lass goes shopping and can't decide between buying a new Prada bag or having some political opponents shot in the night? That's 'dithering'. Edited January 24, 2014 by badmedicine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmicbkktxl Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The emergency decree can only work if the army permit the police to remove the remaining protesters. They wont That is already crazy,the army should obey to the government,and that is one of the problems in Thailand.The army not listen to anybody because they have their own interests,and these interest are not similar to the interests of Thai people or current government 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwdrwdrwd Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) The emergency decree can only work if the army permit the police to remove the remaining protesters. They wont That is already crazy,the army should obey to the government,and that is one of the problems in Thailand.The army not listen to anybody because they have their own interests,and these interest are not similar to the interests of Thai people or current government Their responsibility is protecting sovereignty - this is not the government in Thailand, so it's normal that they are not controlled or directed by it. You never hear of the government 'telling' or 'instructing' the army in Thailand, only ever 'asking', since that is the nature of the relationship. This is my understanding of the matter anyway, happy to be corrected if someone can provide evidence otherwise. Edited January 24, 2014 by rwdrwdrwd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmugghc Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 As far as I know the armed forces swear an allegiance to the monarchy and the nation, not the government. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spalpeen Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The emergency decree can only work if the army permit the police to remove the remaining protesters. They wont That is already crazy,the army should obey to the government,and that is one of the problems in Thailand.The army not listen to anybody because they have their own interests,and these interest are not similar to the interests of Thai people or current government Their responsibility is protecting sovereignty - this is not the government in Thailand, so it's normal that they are not controlled or directed by it. You never hear of the government 'telling' or 'instructing' the army in Thailand, only ever 'asking', since that is the nature of the relationship. This is my understanding of the matter anyway, happy to be corrected if someone can provide evidence otherwise. .Technically correct. It means that 67 million people in a large South East Asian nation don't have an army that's accountable to the government they elect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 What the hell is "Dithering"?........ Somewhere between a vow and a mull isn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 A naval coup. Would that be a first? Well,... these are the same dudes who sent one of their men to throw a grenade in victory monument and who threatend the police with defamation charges to avoid making the Navy lose face... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesofSmiles Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Technically correct. It means that 67 million people in a large South East Asian nation don't have an army that's accountable to the government they elect. Actually, I think all 67 million are like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 A deeply deluded article. Contrast this nonsense with the thread on how the internetional media sees the situation. The international media sees every situation in whatever manner will sell the most newspapers or airtime. Hollywood-style drama and sensationalism. Nothing more. As for the article, it's little more than a statement of the obvious. SOE is just another debacle from the Thaksin playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 .Technically correct. It means that 67 million people in a large South East Asian nation don't have an army that's accountable to the government they elect. Given the standard of the government's that they have elected, that may be a very good idea. Allowing an off-shore fugitive criminal control of a government and an armed militia is one thing, allowing him to control the army is quite another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 A naval coup. Would that be a first? Well,... these are the same dudes who sent one of their men to throw a grenade in victory monument and who threatend the police with defamation charges to avoid making the Navy lose face... Just what will it take to convince you that the grenade thrower was not the SEAL he resembled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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