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I thought you were referring to '2rai of land on my road just got sold to 2 young men who say they will be growing mushrooms' so 2 rai being used to commercially grow cubensus mushrooms related to this topic. I hope to be allowed to a meeting between the Herbal clinic owners and the Chiang Mai MoPH on monday. From what my Clinic owning friend says she thinks this new law is the subject and reason why a group meeting is being called. If I am allowed to join, the issue of 'where' clinics are supposed to obtain thier Schedule 5 narcotics and if clinics can grow thier own product (what security and storage rules etc) will be a large part of what I am trying to determine. There is precident for that being the case as registered clinics can prepare thier own cannabis oil / concentrate for sale from thier own premesis with FDA concent. My Clinic owning friend makes her own brand of extracted oil, which is also a schedule 5 narcotic, and can prescibe it all in house, which would appear to be like for like comparisons.

My current plan which I feel is fairly strong. Everyones plan will be different for thier needs. I have an Irish income that HAS to be taxed at source (directors salary) so that one I have is pre taxed and covered under a DTA. That I can spend and easily justify and is play money. I wont declare it as I am sure it is legally correct and I have the tax return and DTA archived. Other funds for household costs I send to the wife and she already manages our household bills and cashflow. Thats gift if asked and again correct she is spending it on her and her house. Any investments are covered by my Jan 1 savings, with statements archived 'just in case' for a couple 100k GBP. Theres another 6 rai I have my eye on and that would manage that without going over. Long term LTR visa but thats later.

'Check the actual legal situation' The issue I am finding is, there doesnt appear to be actual clarity!! in.th is for individuals, there is no apparent restriction on the nationality of individuals.. Even the registrar who denied me is now humming and haa'ing on if a Pink ID / Yellow book suffices.. And they are incharge of the process !! Once again the rules seem to be yes / no / maybe.. I already grabbed a .asia which can do.. But would prefer an in.th and and long term may even warrant an or.th but not there yet.

First 2 registrars I have attempted both claim I need a work permit. I have found ones which dont seem to require this but want 80 usd instead of 360 baht !! Can anyone confirm if a work permit is a genuine requirement, when a yellow house book can be presented ?? Or can provide a registrar for reasonable money (1000b ??) that will offer an in.th domain to a non Thai with Pink ID, Yellow Book, etc.

Isnt that saying exactly what I said ?? The rules are now technically in force, however we have no actual idea how those rules will really be enforced or implemented given the complex nature of overseas income streams, DTAs, past taxation liabilities, etc. In reality we do not know if any actual enforcement of the process at all will be attempted next year. What specifically did I claim that you feel is not correct ?

Yaba daba dont !!

No we dont. Until next year when the first of these tax returns will be due, we have no idea how intently the Thai Revenue will attempt to pursue non Thais over 2024 remittances. We have no idea if.. they will demand proof that inbound remittances were prior saved before Jan 1. how they will treat provable offshore savings from Jan 1 2024 over the following years / drawdowns. what the levels of proof that this may be, the denial of comingled future assets, the chain of custody of funds implications. they will demand proof that inbound remittances have been tax paid elsewhere. they will accept that tax paid elsewhere (incorrectly) is allowed as a credit here. they demand that tax incorrectly paid elsewhere is reclaimed under DTA and remitted here. even the most basic of 'need to file' is debatable if a liability is uncertain, and almost all non Thais incomes would be in the uncertain category. The potential for this to all fall into the 'too hard to administer' basket, when only 4m out of 67m Thais even pay income tax, especially at first, is IMO quite large. Over time, as the systems become more developed, I am sure filing will be more common and I am sure some expats will even opt to pay here as it can save them taxes in other places. But pretending that this has happened already or that we know how the varous local revenues will seek to enforce this is simply false. Until next years filing deadlines, no one really knows what they will do in practice. Be prepared, have answers and a plan but dont be too panic'ed by it would be my position.

Cubensus mushrooms are grown in a controlled indoor environment, its a factory looking space not a garden.

But in that case it became descheduled so it had no controls at all. In this case they have redefined who can prescribe, namely the system of Thai Traditional Medicine and the registered Herbalist Dr's which is a totally different form of control. The problem I have is that the people charged with handling this, seem utterly clueless in the responsibility they have been given.

Primarily for harm reduction. People have challenging experiences, and in extreme cases those challenging experiences can mentally scar the person long term and create trauma. The goal of therputic work is to be able to process and deal with the things those challenging experiences bring up, and allow the person to change how they think about the issues they have often supressed. Establishing a safe trusting space and being a calming understanding presence through the experience is very often all that is needed to ensure that a small moment of panic doesnt spiral into a larger more damaging meltdown. Also by ensuring a safe uninterupted environment you reduce external triggers and stimulus which can cause that initial thought pattern. The goal of ensuring patient safety and maximising the potential positives of the experience is what 'guides and sitters' can do. Of course the more mental baggage a participant has that they are seeking to address, the more risk of those issues surfacing and being part of that challenging experience. Current theorys on the mechanisms of how this works, via the dissolution of the default mode network and the neuroplasticity that psychedelic experiences appear to generate are less important personally than the fact that this does measurably seem to happen. The use of psychedelics as tools for self improvement, even on basic things like 'I needs to improve my diet / fitness / health' or for people trying to reduce drinking or smoking. Evidence is showing there is no better tool for habit modulation, but they do come with risk and that risk is what needs cautious management. If Thailand goes the route it is apparently going, where mushrooms will be dispensed by Herbal Drs with zero knowledge or understanding, then patient harm and negative experiences will happen at a far greater ratio than they need to. Guidelines for beneficial use and guidance, as well as direct personal experience of what the patient may be going through is totally lacking in the Thai Traditional Medicine system that is now allowed to prescribe them. Thailand doesnt really have much indigenous or cultural use, there are not really Shamans to speak of like in S America where this is culturally understood. My experiences this last 2 weeks is the medical, psychiatric, and herbalist community have a near zero understand of what these do, others than 'mao' of some form.

Provide a Thai tax number and or Thai tax return. Not hard. Almost all UK retirees resident here should not be paying taxes back to the UK on their pensions. The 'I pay my taxes back there' or 'its protected by my DTA' is miss informed and should be corrected when posted. That isnt how it 'should' be. How Thailand treats this is open to interpretation, they may accept it, it may have tax credits, or it may require claiming it back from the UK. Thats the level of detail we do not yet have.

Both of those are on many download sites and really deserve watching, both very powerful documentaries.

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So just for a frame of reference, this was published 4th, I was alerted 6th and Mon the 8th I was at a local traditional medicine clinic to discuss with the owner (not Dr, the Dr was not there) as soon as it opened. To be fair, she was not knowledgable as to even what mushrooms do. She is a businesswoman who believes that cannabis flowers will be rescheduled later this year and has set up a clinic and supply infrastructure to be able to 'sell' cannabis medically when that happens. No issue with that but clearly her motivation is profit and not medical care. Within a minute or two of meeting she emphasized she 'didnt take drugs' which in many ways sums up the mindset of what medical cannabis or mushrooms are. We talked the law, and the issues, and I tried to discuss the risks and how psychedelic therapy is generally handled in the west. Each point of resistance was just brushed aside with a yes yes that is fine.. I tried to explain that generally a therapy like this is much more than simply giving the dose but should have a therapy component before and after 'yes yes my Dr can do that' 'oh really, so your Dr has experience taking psychedelics' 'Oh NO !!' 'hmmm ok.. So your Dr can speak English ?' 'little bit' Right so I can only imagine the kind of sensative therapy and cross cultural understanding there would be to handle a challanging psychedelic experience and then deal with the post experience integration !! From a DR that speaks 'nidnoi' english and has never taken them !! Secondly she appeared to have very little idea of even what mushrooms do !! When I asked why someone could be prescribed mushrooms her answer was 'if depressed or maybe can not sleep' !! (mushrooms for insomnia !!) when I asked what dosage she thought was right she said 'maybe a gram' the more I talked to her the more is appeared that she thought mushrooms were 'something like weed' a bit made you sleepy, a bit more made you more sleepy.. This is the level of understanding from the owner of a clinic that is supposed to adminsiter these therapies !! I am a STRONG believer in the power of properly adminsitered psychedelic therapy, but it has genuine risks of patient harm and needs a trained, educated and experienced sitter or guide and to achieve the most beneficial outcomes requires skilled therapists. I am seriously thinking of setting up a non profit to deal with guide training, I know western guides operating underground already here in Thailand and Thais some of whom have even been trained overseas by MAPS and in the caribbean. Someone has to put in work on this or the opportunity will be wasted when bad things happen.