PDRC denies trying to illegally overthrow Thai govt

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PDRC denies trying to illegally overthrow govt
The Nation


Utthayan (Aksa) Road is covered in trash after the three-day rally by the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship ended yesterday.

BANGKOK: -- A leader of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) denied yesterday that the PDRC was trying to unconstitutionally overthrow the caretaker Yingluck Shinawatra administration.

The charge followed a declaration by PDRC secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban that the movement had the sovereign status to seek a royal endorsement to install a new administration.

Thaworn Senneam, a PDRC leader, said yesterday Suthep was referring only to a situation where red-shirt supporters and the government might refuse to accept two Constitutional Court rulings.

These rulings would refer to the legality of Yingluck transferring Thawil Pliensri from the National Security Council (NSC) in 2011, and her possible indictment by the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) over alleged dereliction of her duty involving the controversial rice scheme.

Thaworn said the government and its supporters must accept scrutiny and possible punishment by the independent organisations under the Constitution.

He denied the allegation by Pheu Thai Party spokesman Promphong Nopparit that the PDRC was seeking to unlawfully overthrow the government. He said the Civil Court had ruled the PDRC was peacefully exercising its right under the Constitution to demonstrate and urged the Pheu Thai Party not to distort things.

Thaworn was asked by reporters if he was concerned about possible violent confrontations between the PDRC and the red-shirt members of the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD). He said the PDRC was not seeking violence and 2,000 PDRC guards would be deployed to ensure peace and non-confrontation with red shirts on the day the Constitutional Court was due to make its ruling.

He also denied that a man arrested by the UDD at its rally site during the weekend was a PDRC guard, adding that the person, identified as Surin Chaithong, probably merely carried a PDRC membership card and had the right to observe the red-shirt protest.

Thaworn was asked what would happen if trouble escalated and the Army intervened. He said [in such an event] there would be no reason to stop the Army from doing its duty if violence broke out repeatedly - although the PDRC was not calling for a military coup.

Meanwhile pro-government demonstration leaders yesterday cut short their intended three-day rally on Aksa Road and sent demonstrators back to their home provinces.

The rally was originally scheduled for three days, ending yesterday evening, but red-shirt (UDD) leader Jatuporn Promphan announced on stage the decision to call off the gathering.

"This is just a rehearsal for the next rally, the venue of which we will keep confidential," he said, boasting that the next event would involve a massive number of supporters.

Jatuporn accepted a challenge by anti-government leader Suthep Thaugsuban to conduct a comparative count on the number of demonstrators for both factions.

Pheu Thai Party spokesperson Prompong Nopparit insisted that Suthep was violating Article 113 of the Criminal Code by inciting unlawful overthrow of the political system, and urged the chiefs of the Armed Forces to take a public stance on the matter.


-- The Nation 2014-04-08

[cornishcarlos]

Hope they provide more rubbish bins at the next rally, that is a disgrace !!!

Just goes to show how much they really care about their country...

[GeorgeO]

Hope they provide more rubbish bins at the next rally, that is a disgrace !!!

Just goes to show how much they really care about their country...

... and more to the point, the thread is about allegations against the PDRC of trying to overthrow the government; what has the mess that the UDD left behind got to do with the thread?

[WoopyDoo]

Hope they provide more rubbish bins at the next rally, that is a disgrace !!!

Just goes to show how much they really care about their country...

... and more to the point, the thread is about allegations against the PDRC of trying to overthrow the government; what has the mess that the UDD left behind got to do with the thread?

Because the picture doesn't really fit the title I would assume, but to add... That was voted the most beautiful road in Thailand, and those PIGS as usual have no respect for anything.

Onto the OP...The ensuing argument on this subject has already been done to death on about 200 previous threads.

Why can't we get some real news?

How about another court case opening up against the government... It's been about a week since another charge was filed.

[pxlgirl]

... and more to the point, the thread is about allegations against the PDRC of trying to overthrow the government; what has the mess that the UDD left behind got to do with the thread?

I was wondering the same... apart that rallies all over the world leave a shitload of trash afterwards.

[zydeco]

Hope they provide more rubbish bins at the next rally, that is a disgrace !!!

Just goes to show how much they really care about their country...

... and more to the point, the thread is about allegations against the PDRC of trying to overthrow the government; what has the mess that the UDD left behind got to do with the thread?

Well, not only does the thread begin with a photo of the trashed Red rally site, but the OP ends by discussing it:

Meanwhile pro-government demonstration leaders yesterday cut short their intended three-day rally on Aksa Road and sent demonstrators back to their home provinces.

The rally was originally scheduled for three days, ending yesterday evening, but red-shirt (UDD) leader Jatuporn Promphan announced on stage the decision to call off the gathering.

"This is just a rehearsal for the next rally, the venue of which we will keep confidential," he said, boasting that the next event would involve a massive number of supporters.

Jatuporn accepted a challenge by anti-government leader Suthep Thaugsuban to conduct a comparative count on the number of demonstrators for both factions.

[Roadman]

Hope they provide more rubbish bins at the next rally, that is a disgrace !!!

Just goes to show how much they really care about their country...

... and more to the point, the thread is about allegations against the PDRC of trying to overthrow the government; what has the mess that the UDD left behind got to do with the thread?

The mess that the UDD openly shows on the street is the same mess that their benefactor "closed books" Pheu Thai is leaving in government?

[tezzainoz]

what we are seeing here in the posting is an example of the difference between the two protest groups

The Anti Protestors at Victory Monument spent time clean up and left the area clean

The Pro Government protestors at Aksa Road left the place in an absolute mess, the same way the Government has left Thailand

This example has everything to do with today situation

Do you want a government who wants to clean up Thailand

Or a government that wants to leave Thailand in a mess

To me I can still see with my own eyes, sadly there are many on TVF who walk around with there eyes closed and listen to the man beside then saying how beautiful the place is

[WoopyDoo]

Maybe when the UDD were asked if they would kindly make sure they removed their trash from the site, they misunderstood and thought they meant the red shirts... Which is why they got on stage and sent everyone home.

[chainarong]

Every picture tells a story and what a sorry mess that story is, now we have the PDRC telling everyone who will listen they are not trying to illegally overthrow the government , yet I read a story not long ago that this was their intention , to overthrow the government , what a mess this country has got itself into and all because of one ars!!e in Dubai, the people of Thailand deserve better , the country needs to be washed , rinsed , spin dried and fumigated .

[aussieinthailand]

So there's a way to legally overthrow the government??? and here was I thinking the legal way to take over government was to vote!!!

[noksidam]

Why respect BKK when BKK spits in your face over and over again. Trash it! I get that.

[Fryslan boppe]

Phew, so many anti-UDD/RS and electoral majority folderol, makes one's head spin..Even trying to use Rally site clean-up as political denigration.....unbelievable ....Let's look at reality:

>>>>a declaration by PDRC secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban that the movement had the sovereign status to seek a royal endorsement to install a new administration.

"Install a new administration".... Via un-electoral processes is not a coup?...Is not illegaly overthrowing an elected Govt.?....Using their co-conspirators in Judicial and Independent agcy's instead of the military is not overthrowing an elected Govt?.....Try telling that to the majority voters whose selection they are trying to nullify.......Just some more smoke seeking to make white appear to be black.

>>>the government and its supporters must accept scrutiny and possible punishment by the independent organisations under the Constitution.

Yup, the Independent Agcy's are going to 'punish' the electoral majority for the choices they made......And some continue trying to 'normalize the abnormal' with respect to the PAD-Dem's controlling these guys.

>>> (Jatuporn)..boasting that the next event would involve a massive number of supporters.

Stating fact is 'boasting'?.....Keep in mind, in this instance, we are talking about 'supporters' as being the key elements representing an electoral majority...There is nothing boastful when one has measurable, objective data to back it up..You think the PDRC/DP blocking voters and tabulating an election was without reason?

BTW, When was the last time you heard Suthep's demagoguery referred to as "boasting"....Sometimes media double-standards and put-downs are not subtle.

Edited April 8, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[zydeco]

Why respect BKK when BKK spits in your face over and over again. Trash it! I get that.

So, because you and the Reds have lost and been utterly humiliated with your failure of a rally, you think it's okay to trash the country and Phutthamonthon. What you've done is trash a religious district under direct royal patronage. What message EXACTLY are you trying to send?

[noksidam]

Why respect BKK when BKK spits in your face over and over again. Trash it! I get that.

So, because you and the Reds have lost and been utterly humiliated with your failure of a rally, you think it's okay to trash the country and Phutthamonthon. What you've done is trash a religious district under direct royal patronage. What message EXACTLY are you trying to send?

You what? I'm just a farang and I'm not a Red. You don't have to be a Red to despise Suthep. But I think the question you ask is indeed an interesting one...

[geriatrickid]

Hope they provide more rubbish bins at the next rally, that is a disgrace !!!

Just goes to show how much they really care about their country...

It was just as bad after PDRC events. Nation Media chose not to run those photos.

Rubbish bins are not an option for security sake. the fear is that they are place to conceal bombs.

[saltandpepper]

Hope they provide more rubbish bins at the next rally, that is a disgrace !!!

Just goes to show how much they really care about their country...

It was just as bad after PDRC events. Nation Media chose not to run those photos.

Rubbish bins are not an option for security sake. the fear is that they are place to conceal bombs.

But I am sure you have plenty of pictures and you will share them, right?

[geriatrickid]

Why respect BKK when BKK spits in your face over and over again. Trash it! I get that.

So, because you and the Reds have lost and been utterly humiliated with your failure of a rally, you think it's okay to trash the country and Phutthamonthon. What you've done is trash a religious district under direct royal patronage. What message EXACTLY are you trying to send?

You should trash your holier than thou hectoring. The same result followed other rallies from PAD years ago, and the recent PDRC.

Have you been to the Democrat stronghold of Phuket? It's a virtual garbage dump with illegal trash dumps, illegal dumping of toxic waste in sensitive zones, garbage everywhere etc. This isn't politics, but a reflection of Thai mentality.

What's up with people like you who latch on to religious specialness and then toss in a reference to Royal patronage for good measure? No religious sites were desecrated. The rally was in a public area, on concrete. The PDRC took over Lumpini park and has destroyed the ecological balance of the place and not a word from you.. Phuket's forests are under Royal protection too. It doesn't stop locals from stealing the land and building on the protected beach areas.

Edited April 8, 2014 by geriatrickid

[sweatalot]

Hope they provide more rubbish bins at the next rally, that is a disgrace !!!

Just goes to show how much they really care about their country...

... and more to the point, the thread is about allegations against the PDRC of trying to overthrow the government; what has the mess that the UDD left behind got to do with the thread?

A picture says more than 1000 words

[cornishcarlos]

Hope they provide more rubbish bins at the next rally, that is a disgrace !!!

Just goes to show how much they really care about their country...

It was just as bad after PDRC events. Nation Media chose not to run those photos.

Rubbish bins are not an option for security sake. the fear is that they are place to conceal bombs.

I don't care if its a UDD rally or a PDRC rally, it's a disgrace...

My reference was to the mess that people find acceptable to leave.

I live in the south and it is just as bad here, cars dumping bags n bags of <deleted> any place they fancy.

Basically, the country needs cleaning up... Pun intended

[zydeco]

Why respect BKK when BKK spits in your face over and over again. Trash it! I get that.

So, because you and the Reds have lost and been utterly humiliated with your failure of a rally, you think it's okay to trash the country and Phutthamonthon. What you've done is trash a religious district under direct royal patronage. What message EXACTLY are you trying to send?

You should trash your holier than thou hectoring. The same result followed other rallies from PAD years ago, and the recent PDRC.

Have you been to the Democrat stronghold of Phuket? It's a virtual garbage dump with illegal trash dumps, illegal dumping of toxic waste in sensitive zones, garbage everywhere etc. This isn't politics, but a reflection of Thai mentality.

What's up with people like you who latch on to religious specialness and then toss in a reference to Royal patronage for good measure? No religious sites were desecrated. The rally was in a public area, on concrete. The PDRC took over Lumpini park and has destroyed the ecological balance of the place and not a word from you.. Phuket's forests are under Royal protection too. It doesn't stop locals from stealing the land and building on the protected beach areas.

What a pretty picture you paint of Thais and Thailand! (I thought generalized insults directed against Thailand and Thai people in general were prohibited on this board, no?) The "Thai mentality" is to create garbage dumps? Of late, you really seem to have become a bit unbalanced in these posts of yours. Apparently, your usual tactic of baiting other posters is failing, so now you've resorted to a sort of loud squeal against Thais and their institutions as well. Take a deep breath before you stroke out.

[CaptHaddock]

Suthep and his PDRC marchers planning to remove the govt and install a dictatorship recalls Mussolini's 1922 march on Rome in which they took over the govt to rule until 1943.

No need to worry about street litter in the future. Fascists are very tidy.

[thesetat2013]

Maybe when the UDD were asked if they would kindly make sure they removed their trash from the site, they misunderstood and thought they meant the red shirts... Which is why they got on stage and sent everyone home.

You cant blame the UDD for leaving such a mess. They must have been angry that they lost a days pay when their rally was cut short due to lack of numbers. I am certain that once their leaders changed the rally name from their war drum call to only a rehearsal that their protesters realised that a few hundred baht was not worth relaxing and having fun for songkran.

What happened to the 100,000 trained and armed pro government security force that the UDD claimed to have? They might have been the majority of their protesters and if so, could not take the time to clean up after as they were too busy protecting democracy.

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[thesetat2013]

Suthep and his PDRC marchers planning to remove the govt and install a dictatorship recalls Mussolini's 1922 march on Rome in which they took over the govt to rule until 1943.

No need to worry about street litter in the future. Fascists are very tidy.

When you post you should try not to be one-sided. So allow me to add what you didnt. What about the Reds? They are moving all of their people into positions of power to control all aspects of the government. They disregard their own constitution or try to change it secretly so it suits their power hungry party. The disregard laws and go against court rulings. Can you imagine how thailand would be if soneone had not opposed them publicly? Sure it would be a democratic country. The same kind of democracy N. Korea has.

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[Kooweerup]

Well they had me fooled. I actually thought they were trying to over throw the government. Didn't realise it was just a few mates getting together for a garden party. Guess now that the misunderstanding is over we can get back to normal.

[Baerboxer]

Suthep and his PDRC marchers planning to remove the govt and install a dictatorship recalls Mussolini's 1922 march on Rome in which they took over the govt to rule until 1943.

No need to worry about street litter in the future. Fascists are very tidy.

So the fascist Suthepista's will march on Bangkok and overthrow the beleaguered fascist regime installed by the criminal fugitive wannabee dictator on the back of a flawed election process whereby a large minority translates into an enormous parliamentary majority; even with which the beleaguered fascists still had to cheat and lie and bring the country to the brink.

Well, Mr.Haddock, with your worldviews you must have rejoiced when the fascist Icelanders beat the imperialist British and liberated all your cod brethren, so only they could over fish them for their own enrichment,

[Eric Loh]

Expect the Nation to pick their best photo for the UDD and the PDRC. Moving on.....

[Mr Yim]

Sutheps clowns have got no argument so they make ridiculous comments about litter. If you go to any site where there has been a gathering, whether it is a concert, market or even childrens playground, when everyone has left the area is strewn with litter. Unfortunately, the Thais havent been educated in keeping their country clean. Having said that I have been to Bournemouth beach early in the morning and the amount of rubbish left is unbelievable. To try to ridicule a political organisation over rubbish on the streets is juvenile.

[SICHONSTEVE]

... and more to the point, the thread is about allegations against the PDRC of trying to overthrow the government; what has the mess that the UDD left behind got to do with the thread?

I was wondering the same... apart that rallies all over the world leave a shitload of trash afterwards.

But the PDRC clean up after theirs as they are considerate human beings and not red 'trash'!!!

[tingtongteesood]

I see from the photo of the mess the reds left behind them that the predictions of a total lack of empathy for the local people were completely correct. The least they could do is clean up their own mess like the PDRC do. I wonder iff they leave their crap all over thewir rice fields in a similar way. Shows a total lack of respect for other people, typical of the reds. Just saying...

This is relavant to the op in a way, the BMA said they removed 108 tons of litter the red rabble left in their wake, but that is small compared to the amount of rubbish that came from Nuttawat and the rest of the 'leaders' mouths over the weekend...

Edited April 8, 2014 by tingtongteesood