For King and country

[geriatrickid]

Heartwarming to see more brave men taking a stand.

He's cut from the same cloth as Franco, Videla, Viola and Pinochet etc.

If you consider a man who wishes to engage in terror and killing under the guise of loyalty to his nation, as brave, then you have no sense of morality.

In case you didn't learn the lesson from the past century of secret killing squads, it's wrong and it only leads to more violence.

Well, I've been here long enough to remember Thaksin murdering Muslims by the truckload, and the 2,500 or so ex judicial deaths in Thaksin's war on drugs. And, of course, we still see the actions of Thaksin's Red Shirts every day.

It seems to me that if you're looking for Thai death squads, you're looking in the wrong place.

Thaksin did not murder muslims. If there were deaths or illegal acts, it was the military commanders who gave the orders, allowed it to occur and who were responsible. Thalsin did not kill anyone during the legally sanctioned counter narco terrorist insurgency action. This has been discussed repeatedly. Thaksin was was cleared by his own political enemies the Democrats when they could find nothing to support your blood libel. You are now using your presumed wrongdoings of your bogeyman to justify a declared terror campaign. If you had any ethics you would understand that whatever Thaksin may have done does not justify the major general embarking on his campaign of 'cleansing".

If you genuinely believe that Thaksin and the Redshirts are engaged in criminal acts that is your prerogative. However, it does not justify your support of what will be an infringement of basic human rights, a violation of the law and is a wrongful act. You are wrong both legally and morally.

[newatthis]

Does not matter what I think but it was a stance so he is not neutral.

Neutrality is not required to be a doctor. But what *is* required to move this country forward, is brave people taking a stand.

One finds it interesting that the Reds wish to stifle free speech.

Um lese Majeste and defamation laws stifle free speech. You have this Doctor and PDRC supporter who has established his own band to seek out and destroy anyone who speaks freely and it is a red who is Thailands most wanted for speaking freely.

They really don't; lese majeste is a red herring (no pun intended) used by those who attempt to draw focus away from very real problems that affect a great number of people, Thais and expats alike.

As someone who operates a number of businesses in Thailand, it is quite easy to not run afoul of lese majeste; however, I am forced to deal with cronyism, nepotism, and/or unabashed corruption seven days a week, 365 days a year.

Now, I can't say I haven't benefited from corruption in Thailand, but I would quite happily trade these benefits for a competent government.

Every day we are seeing more people taking a stand. I suspect they must feel the same.

And when do you expect this to change?

[londonthai]

interview with Somchai Kwadyangyuadyong, a spokesperson for the Rubbish Collection Organisation, which name general has stolen and tarnished with nazism:

"Forgive me for saying this, but some of our readers may not believe that someone who earns a living by collecting trash can have the knowledge to quote human rights documents and historical examples like you have.

Given the prejudices in Thai society, this is understandable. But which would you rather believe? That a garbage collector knows about human rights or that a doctor doesn’t?"

the whole interview http://prachatai.com/english/node/3939

[The Deerhunter]

Does not matter what I think but it was a stance so he is not neutral.

Neutrality is not required to be a doctor. But what *is* required to move this country forward, is brave people taking a stand.

One finds it interesting that the Reds wish to stifle free speech.

The way forward we are told is for the PDRC & the PTP to find something in common. This may be it then, Both the reds & extreme patriots disowning freedom of speech................ Ironic? Every western constitutional monarchy has to understand that as the role-models for the nation, every member of the family has to try and keep his/her nose as clean as modern intrusive journalism will allow. Outright invasion of privacy aside, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger." It works pretty well in the west most of the time as long as the privacy laws are enforced. The alternatives to constitutional monarchy are socialism & republicanism and don't the Americans just wish they had a real royal family? (Rhetorical question.) Oh yes, there is one further alternative, Absolute Monarchy but apart from North Koreas and some muslim states, that seems to be a non-starter, pretty much everywhere else, thank heavens.

Edited April 27, 2014 by The Deerhunter

[ginjag]

Heartwarming to see more brave men taking a stand.

He's cut from the same cloth as Franco, Videla, Viola and Pinochet etc.

If you consider a man who wishes to engage in terror and killing under the guise of loyalty to his nation, as brave, then you have no sense of morality.

In case you didn't learn the lesson from the past century of secret killing squads, it's wrong and it only leads to more violence.

Well, I've been here long enough to remember Thaksin murdering Muslims by the truckload, and the 2,500 or so ex judicial deaths in Thaksin's war on drugs. And, of course, we still see the actions of Thaksin's Red Shirts every day.

It seems to me that if you're looking for Thai death squads, you're looking in the wrong place.

Thaksin did not murder muslims. If there were deaths or illegal acts, it was the military commanders who gave the orders, allowed it to occur and who were responsible. Thalsin did not kill anyone during the legally sanctioned counter narco terrorist insurgency action. This has been discussed repeatedly. Thaksin was was cleared by his own political enemies the Democrats when they could find nothing to support your blood libel. You are now using your presumed wrongdoings of your bogeyman to justify a declared terror campaign. If you had any ethics you would understand that whatever Thaksin may have done does not justify the major general embarking on his campaign of 'cleansing".

If you genuinely believe that Thaksin and the Redshirts are engaged in criminal acts that is your prerogative. However, it does not justify your support of what will be an infringement of basic human rights, a violation of the law and is a wrongful act. You are wrong both legally and morally.

I agree with you GK, Thaksin was a saint, a fine example how to govern, his record proves this ---NOT

[tomross46]

McCarthyist nutter. Part of the problem rather than the solution.

If your mommy is a commy you have to turn her in.

[h90]

This bloke is a doctor?

I thought doctors were supposed to take bullets out of people not put them into people!

And discriminating against people who he might aid or aid depending on their employment or their political beliefs.

I thought doctors took the Hippocratic oath not the hypocritical oath!

Che Guevara (spelling?) was doctor.....and he put more bullets into people than taking out of them.

What makes you think that after a few years at university people are changed into holy persons?

Look what the politicians, army, police etc take oats and how they brake it the next day......look how religious people and monks of all religions brake their own rules.

Why do you expect that doctors are somehow different?

[Torkmada]

This guy wants to be a modern day Torquemada.

You can longer force a people what to believe nor whom to love.

Any law that tries to do so can only cause more harm than good.

Only the evil can benefit as the good need no such law.

The injustices required to enforce such a law will ultimately cause its downfall.

Information can no longer be controlled nor suppressed.

The truth will always come out.

The Spanish Inquisition was a failure, the yellows need to learn from it

[chooka]

Wednesday afternoon’s gangland style murder – meted out by a hired marksman in the car park of a Bangkok restaurant – is surely the first such case of a pre-emptive hit on a detractor of Thailand’s odious Article 112, and a conspicuous break from the randomised, indiscriminate violence which has characterised the post-Amnesty Bill conflict so far.

Take the nascent “Organisation to Eradicate the Nation’s Trash” ( Thai language removed ), for example, (transcribed as such for want of a better transliteration), the latest extreme group of self-appointed monarchical defenders to gain widespread press coverage in Thailand (in addition to 156,944 ‘Likes’ on Facebook as of April 26th). Working on the not-so-elaborate ideological basis that all opponents of the nation’s royals are tantamount to “trash” in human form – or “rubbish” for UK readers – this bizarre group of militant royalists have begun a vigilante style campaign to hunt down suspected critics of the monarchy and speed up their prosecution by Thailand’s authorities. Using time-old espionage techniques previously employed by the likes of East Germany’s Stasi or Myanmar’s sprawling network of informers during the SLORC era, functionaries of the “Organisation to Eradicate the Nation’s Trash” are encouraged to listen in on fellow citizens, publicly report unfavourable gossip and spread the identities of those deemed to have insulted the nation’s exalted monarchy.

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2014/04/27/kamol-rienthong-and-112/

Edited April 27, 2014 by metisdead
Thai language edited out of post. This is an English language forum, English is the only acceptable language, except in the Thai language forum where Thai language is allowed.

[Som wat]

Thailand needs to do more to protect the wonderful monarchy.

15 years in prison is not enough for a crime that cannot have the evidence heard in court.

[noodle]

The Spanish Inquisition was a failure, the yellows need to learn from it

The Inquisition terrorised Europe for about 300 years. In what way is that a failure?

[harada]

Trust me!

After all I am a doctor!

Yes I do Dr Mengele.

[Torkmada]

The Spanish Inquisition was a failure, the yellows need to learn from it

The Inquisition terrorised Europe for about 300 years. In what way is that a failure?

Englands shedding of Catholicism saw it dominate the globe in an era when the once mighty Spaniards declined under the spell of religious nutters

Look at how much political power the Churches of the world exercise now.

Next to none.

In the dark ages Kings and Emperors bowed down to Popes.

Science and the excesses of the Inquisition put an end to the reign of terror.

The Inquisition remained the darkest blot on the Churches record until the modern day pedophiles started running amok.

[issanaus]

The Spanish Inquisition was a failure, the yellows need to learn from it

The Inquisition terrorised Europe for about 300 years. In what way is that a failure?

Englands shedding of Catholicism saw it dominate the globe in an era when the once mighty Spaniards declined under the spell of religious nutters

Look at how much political power the Churches of the world exercise now.

Next to none.

In the dark ages Kings and Emperors bowed down to Popes.

Science and the excesses of the Inquisition put an end to the reign of terror.

The Inquisition remained the darkest blot on the Churches record until the modern day pedophiles started running amok.

Religions have very little influence (they never did) but "religious organisations" still have immense influence

USA?

Is there ANYTHING you can get right?

Edited April 27, 2014 by issanaus

[WoopyDoo]

Another lunatic PDRC supporter.

Why don't you just grow a pair and issue your thoughts on the monarchy instead of mincing your words to attack the PDRC which is not even on topic.

[chooka]

Another lunatic PDRC supporter.

Why don't you just grow a pair and issue your thoughts on the monarchy instead of mincing your words to attack the PDRC which is not even on topic.

Fair enough, my thoughts on the monarchy.

I think the King is a wonderful man who has done so much for the country and the people. He is a fine man who is admired around the world and I hope he reigns for ever.

This lunatic madman Doctor is linked to the PDRC so I think it is on topic.

[Bakseeda]

Another lunatic PDRC supporter.

Careful Chooka..... did he not say they were armed.. or maybe thats a shot in the dark..

[Bakseeda]

The Spanish Inquisition was a failure, the yellows need to learn from it

The Inquisition terrorised Europe for about 300 years. In what way is that a failure?

Englands shedding of Catholicism saw it dominate the globe in an era when the once mighty Spaniards declined under the spell of religious nutters

Look at how much political power the Churches of the world exercise now.

Next to none.

In the dark ages Kings and Emperors bowed down to Popes.

Science and the excesses of the Inquisition put an end to the reign of terror.

The Inquisition remained the darkest blot on the Churches record until the modern day pedophiles started running amok.

But seems now the church ridded itself of Pedos... most of them now hiding out in North East Thailand and Cambodia....

[PaullyW]

Seems odd that TV would leave this type of topic open to comment considering how onerous of a topic it is. Why even potentially put people in jeopardy?

[george]

This topic is now closed as it is a potential legal issue.

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